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8-27-2009 @ 5:58PM
Uhm... sorry... but... wth?"I asked him about The Old God influence on a larger scale and on Azeroth. For instance, are they behind the corruption of Deathwing"It has already been established (ie. in War of the Ancients and countless other times) that the Old Gods are the ones that corrupted Neltharion/drove him mad. Why waste the precious opportunity to ask the master of lore himself something on something that has already been established?
8-27-2009 @ 6:09PM
"and Sargeras? "Focusing on Deathwing's corruption really skews what my question actually was. Specifically, I had asked if beings like the Old Gods were working on a cosmic scale and behind Sargeras's corruption, the Burning Legion and other notable examples of corruption, such as Deathwing and Arthas. Thorim and the other watchers in Ulduar are the most concrete example of Old God influence currently in game.War of the Ancients speaks of a voice whispering to Deathwing, I believe, with no clarification as to what that voice is. Azshara heard a similar whispering during the Sundering. Knowing WoW lore, there are relatively few choices as to what was whispering.Once again, though, my question was focused more on the scope of the Old Gods influence beyond Azeroth, rather than just Deathwing.
8-28-2009 @ 1:38AM
Yeah, the Sargeras-Part is not a problem, although I don't think the Old Gods got anything to do with it.In War of the Ancients they speak of "the voices" and later establish the connection that the voices are the Old Gods, by stating that a) the Old Gods caused the ... rift in time, the anomaly (forgot the actual word they used)b) when Deathwing defied their whispers and wanted to get the Dragon Soul back, which went against their plan, "the voices" whispered "Away... Away...". Deathwing "[he] sensed their outrage that he would not obey them"."Under their outrage, however, Neltharion also noted growing anxiety, even fear. The voices, too, saw that he had almost reached the his [yeah, error there, written in the book] creation. Perhaps they unerstood that when it came back into his possession, he would punish them along with all the rest."page 295/296 (in my paperback)Also, on WoWWiki it is also stated that he was influenced by the Old Gods, due to being the Earth Warder, being so connected to the Earth in which they are imprisoned and so and I assume they got that from an official force. I believe part of that is even also mentioned in War of the Ancients.Personally, I don't think the Old Gods have any influence outside Azeroth.I'm sorry if my post sounded a bit hostile, I stand by what I said, maybe not by how I said it. I just know that, if I had a chance to meet the Blizzard guys, specifically Metzen (and apparently "his database" :D) I'd totally geek out and spend days before the meeting getting up-to-date on the Lore etc. and hopefully think of some really awesome quesion.Congratulations on that opportunity, I just wish you had asked something else. ;P Like the whole Thrall-(back then, before the announcement)-rumor or what's in store for Med'an, the "Savior of Azeroth" etc. But that's just my priorities.
8-28-2009 @ 1:40AM
oh, of course, I forgotc) Nozdormu actually discovering the whole Old Gold connection himself
8-28-2009 @ 3:25AM
I didn't really know what I was to prepare for. This dinner way exceeded any expectations that I had. I had no idea I was going to have personal conversations with anyone important.Having said that, you say you doubt the Old Gods have any influence outside of Azeroth. I very much agree with this statement. However, if you look at Lovecraft lore, C'Thulu, Yogg' Saron, etc. are fairly low level beings in this whole mythos. They are so defined in their sphere of power that they merely deal with a single planet.There are multiple heirarchies above them and in true Lovecraft mythos, these are the elder beings... their very nature being so inhumanly understandable that any sort of contact can drive you insane. Hmm... sounds like a Yogg'Saroth mechanic, doesn't it.I was asking very specifically along these lines. We all know the Old Gods were imprisoned by the Titans. However, these are relatively lowly servants of a higher master. This where Chris Metzen's Naaru response came in... not regarding Sargeras.However, even then... what drove Sargeras mad? He was out fighting the Burning Legion thoughout the cosmos, not digging around in the underdepths of Azeroth.
8-28-2009 @ 3:49AM
I don't really know a lot about C'Thulu etc. I read only one book dealing with that lore, ages ago.The official Lore around Sargeras going mad is, roughly, that he was driven mad by fighting the evil of the universe for aeons. Seeing all this evil for so long just... broke him, his mind and he turned 180°.Yeah, not the strongest explanation, but about as good as any in Warcraft Lore. I love it, but one has to admit there are some fairly weak explanations for some stuff.
8-28-2009 @ 3:54AM
Also, I did ask a lot about Med'an and Evelyn filled in all the blanks of existing lore there. However, that is an area where you are basically asking for spoilers which they were not handing out that night.I was very happy to talk directly to Chris and get some pretty direct insight as to his influences. He is passionate about lovecraft, very knowledgable about D&D and loves Norse mythology evidently. Heh.One last nugget that Evelyn hung out there for us on the whole guardian thing was that a) Sargeras has yet to be seen since Medivh's death and b) the family resemblance between Medivh and Med'an has been mentioned. This was after she talked about how Sargeras had possessed/tainted/hid inside of/whatever Aegwynn before she had Medivh and passed it on that way. Can this be leading somewhere? She directly stated that it was possible that Med'an was a descendant of Medivh. How's that for a savior?Note: I did not intentionally sandbag this. There was a lot of data thrown around and as I look at different parts of the lore, things sift around and gain new importance.So, I guess I did got some info you would have been interested in.
Accidentally changed names on you. The above post is mine.
8-28-2009 @ 3:56AM
>> Seeing all this evil for so long just... broke him, his mind and he turned 180°.Doesn't that sound a lot like the influence of the old gods?
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