BlizzCon 2009: Wow.com interviews Richard Knaak Part II

Well, there's nothing I can tell you about as far as current projects, but if given a chance, Deathwing, again, I will take that, because I feel he and I work well together -- He hasn't burned me up yet! Worgen, yes, I want to do Worgen, they have a really good, a really tragic story, they struggle with the dark side. I always felt they had more a tragic story than vampires. Vampires are good, but werewolves are better! Those are probably my top two subjects. Of course, right now I'm working with the Dragons of Outland in the Manga.
So it sounds like you're excited to go to Outland, which brings me to my next question. What's been your favorite Story to work on in the World of Warcraft? What's been the most challenging?
Oh wow. Well, I'd have to say the War of the Ancients was the biggest and most challenging. That trilogy was a really big concept. There was a lot of back and forth work on that, a lot of detail work with people, what we kept intact and what he had to adjust, and I'm really very proud with how that trilogy worked out. I've gotten some very good comments on that one. Amongst my Warcraft stuff, I think the trilogy has struck a lot of people, and I really have to say that it's my favorite so far.
Although I have to say that if I'm proud of anything more, it may just be Stormrage. It's been great working on the new book, there's been a lot of characters people will recognize from the game, there places people will recognize. The Nightmare's a significant part of it.
Interesting. I have to say, I was expecting Stormrage to tie in with the Cataclysm.
I never said it didn't! And I never said it did! It's one of those annoying parts where I can't confirm or deny, and the very fact I am saying that doesn't not mean I am confirming or denying. When I say that, people think, "Aha! This is what he means, but..."
Right, Everyone wants to read just a little more into things.
Yeah, but I have to go with what Blizzard wants me to tell, and they can be pretty restrictive on that. But I can only emphasize that Stormrage will be very current, and you can take that for whatever you want it to mean.
That's Fair! Now, I know you've created a lot of original characters for the Warcraft universe. I'm curious as to what your creation process is like. Are these characters that come to you, or do you try to sculpt them to the story they're in, perhaps?
Well, first of all, I've always loved Dragons, and I've always loved shape shifting Dragons, so you'll find that in a lot of my dragon work, if there's intelligent dragons who are magical. I'm not the first one to originate that, of course, but I am one whose really pushed in that. If you read my Dragonrealms series, I started out with that sort of thing. Although in Dragonrealms, the males tend to look like these scaly armored figures. They can't quite get the human aspect out. Whereas the females can really get it down, but their powers are lessened because of it. But that's an example from my series.
But I do try to build the characters based around the situation. So Korialstrasz - Krasus - seemed to be a logical character because the Red Dragonflight seems to represent life, so they would like to protect things, I think. And who better than the consort of the Aspect?
Also, I always like Mages, and I always like ones that are a bit argumentative with the upper brass, so to speak. And I think red is a good color for a temperamental Mage, so Rhonin came about because I needed someone who was a bit of a do-it-himself guy who really gets on people's nerves. Krasus, while being at the opposite end of the scale, is aware of how capable and useful he is, and Krasus can't do everything. It's not that he wants to use other, lesser people, but he feels its a necessity. It's a dragon's point of view. Rhonin's not the first person he's used. As I hint in, I think, Night of the Dragon, Krasus has used other agents over the centuries, and some of them have died because of being involved with them. He feels bad about that, but the bigger picture demands the protection of the world. Again, a dragon's point of view.
For Vareesa, I wanted to have a counterpart to Rhonin who was a bit more of a stickler for detail and how things should be done, but yet ends up being just as rebellious as him in many ways. And the Villains depend on the situation. Deathwing was obvious, but we wanted to show his machinations behind the scenes, so we created Lord Prestor. And for a bit of comic relief, he had a Goblin who was assisting him.
And there's characters who just meld in depending on how the story runs. A lot of it depends on how the story runs. And I do try to come up with some different characters each time, like the Draenei in Night of the Dragon. And in War of the Ancients, I had to create a lot of different Night Elves in a lot of different positions to show how, if you're in this position, you're not as respected as if you were in this position.
For example, Jerod Shadowsong is a Captain of the Guard, but he's not going to be as respected as many of the lords and masters until he proves he's the guy who can actually do something. Aristocrats always think they can run the wars better. Haughtiness unfortunately tends to be something you have to watch out for in Night Elf Society. The way Azshara was described to me, she was vain and a little bit mad, but I just knew that she had to be a manipulator in some ways too. Then there's Xavius, her advisor, who says I'll do what's best for my queen because that's my power too, and that's basically all the Highborne thought: The Queen is all, and as long as the Queen is all, we are all. Of course, some of them figured out at the end it wasn't quite like that all. But that's how it goes, you have to feel out the different hierarchy of the different races, and try to come up with characters who fit into the situation as it is.
That actually reminds me of my next question. I know you've created or fleshed out quite a few characters and cultures in your books, and we're seeing hints of them in game. For example, the Highborne are returning in the latest patch to rejoin the Night Elf culture. We're seeing Rhonin now as head of the Kirin Tor. Does the lore team consult you on putting your characters in to the game, or is it more of a pleasant surprise for you?
Well, sometimes its been a surprise, though they do often tell me, "So-and-So's going to be in the game eventually." They almost never say when or where though. But sometimes they'll tell me, "Oh, Rhonin's going to be head of the Kirin Tor." Fine by me! He's going to have to learn a little responsibility it looks like. But hey, he has kids now, so maybe he is learning it already. He's gotta get a good daytime job now, he has kids to raise.
Of course, Agents of Krasus turned up fairly quickly in the game. I had done some work with Alexstraza to develop her character, and they started doing more with her as well. And of course, a lot of my Manga characters showed up in game, like Anveena and Kalec. And Anveena had a pretty significant role. They were very happy with what I came up with for Anveena. They thought it was a great way to bring back what they wanted to bring back, so they said pretty quickly that they would use that situation in the game. Really, I've gotten to the point where if I put in a good amount of work on a character, there's a good chance they'll use it for something, and I'm very proud about that, I'm very pleased. I'm always trying to think of characters who are worthy enough and strong enough to make it in game.
Trag Highmountain has shown up in game now, the first Tauren Death Knight. I honestly believe I'm the one who gave them the idea for Tauren Death Knights. As I recall, I told them I wanted to bring Trag back as an undead warrior type, and they said, "The only real undead warrior types we have are Death Knights," and I said that a Death Knight would be cool! And they started sending me illustrations and sketches of Tauren Death Knights, and I'm like, oh wow! And well, I can't say for sure, but I was definitely thinking this up pretty early on, and now they (Tauren Deathknights) are in game. If somebody else came up with the concept before me, I hadn't heard about it, so I certainly feel I was in there very close to the beginning, and now he's in there telling people he's going to join them in the final assault on Icecrown.
Right, I've seen him around, but I'm only Alliance, so I don't know exactly what he says.
Yeah, I'm Alliance and I haven't quite gotten that high level, but some of my Horde friends tell me that. But anyway, he's one of my favorites that they've put in the game. I love Minotaurs, so I love Tauren.
Yeah, I definitely need to read more of the Mangas. It's probably my weakest area as far as keeping abreast of Warcraft literature and lore.
You've not gotten into the Manga yet? Let me introduce you to someone...






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Stormdragon Aug 28th 2009 6:23PM
I always enjoyed Richard Knaaks work especially his WoW Novels, he gets such a bad rap from the offical forum trolls...most of whom have never actually read his (or anyone elses novels) I had the pleasure of meeting him at thelats Gen-Con and his knowledge of the game (he puts a lot of time in playing) is really impressive. I'm looking forward to the new book as Night of the Dragon was a real page turner.
qoa Aug 28th 2009 8:39PM
Read more books and less fanfic. Then you'll see why people hate him.
PS KNAAK INVENTED TAUREN DEATH KNIGHTS Nobody from blizzard ever thought of that, despite them suggesting it to him after he suggested an undead warrior.
Nick Aug 28th 2009 6:24PM
da gai in da pikter lookz maaaaaadddddd lulz
wolfsterne Aug 28th 2009 6:27PM
Yep Knaak is awesome. I talked to him briefly at Blizzcon this year, he is very sharp, he made one guy look like a complete idiot who was talking about how all his characters were Mary Sues. I didn't know he actually played the game; god that should piss off the trolls even more.
carlybaby81 Aug 28th 2009 6:37PM
That was a awesome interview, I have to confess when I saw it I expected a bunch of loaded questions and spin editing....sorry WoW.com
He did a signing for NoD at the Boarders I manage here in San Diego, More people showed up than when Terry Goodkind was here, He was so humble and so approachable. Folks might bash him but I can't keep any of his books on the shelves.
Saint Aug 28th 2009 6:58PM
I tried Mr. Knaak. I really did. It was like reading something a high school student wrote for a report. I mean, I'm not a famous writer, I don't even try, so I have absolutely no room to insult the man. But I just couldn't stand reading his writing. It all feels so forced. I don't understand the "OMG HE RUINED THE LORE" hate that he gets, and I don't understand the immaturity of some of the insults thrown at him. He's clearly an intelligent guy, quite witty in fact. Not the worse author I've ever read.
Yeah, he could name his characters better (Rhonin? Seriously), but I wouldn't call all of them Mary Sues.
Like I said, he's not an awful author, and he's not ruining the game. I think he's a mediocre author who has moments of great and moments of awful. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'd just prefer a Christie Golden book over his.
I could punch him for naming his character Rhonin though. Not hard, probably on the shoulder.
Stormdragon Aug 28th 2009 10:33PM
Okay let me educate folks on this. Rhonin isn't taken from the Japanese Ronin, it's Galiec it means little seal. Knaak modeled the character after Rhonin the red who was a Warrior Poet and Advisor to Brian Baru an Irish King that lived in the Ninth century.
A good part of the Knaak hate again stems from sheer ignorance and the follow the what’s cool mindset. To the tard who said I should read less fanfic....how many knaak books have you actually read? I’m betting one or less.
Saint Aug 28th 2009 11:45PM
So he named Rhonin after a DIFFERENT Rhonin/Ronin? And that's somehow better because it's not Japanese? He's still naming a character after something from our world's history, though certainly not as "badass" as a Samurai. It still means something kind of cool in a foreign language to him/the reader and based on something historical from our world. It's still just as lame. Not to mention the Irish weren't known for their military dominance throughout history either.
wolfsterne Aug 29th 2009 1:05AM
@ Saint
You do get that about 90% of all Warcraft personalities are variations of historical and mythical heroes, and that has been explained by the Aspects.
lumacman Aug 28th 2009 7:03PM
when it comes to the wow authors I much prefer Mrs. Golden. i like her style more then knaak's, however his stories are far more grand then hers. He captures the world when he pens his tales. makes you feel that you were there.
on a side note...
I love tearing apart those trolls that call out mary sue...
its so much fun to watch their arguments get destroyed by lore and common sense...
i would have loved to have been there to see him do it himself.
qoa Aug 28th 2009 8:41PM
Yes because books about a love affair between a man and a horse topples Rhonin teaching everything to everyone?
grump-e Aug 28th 2009 7:04PM
No mention of Brox, the first and oldest badass orc, its canon.
Mesc Aug 28th 2009 7:07PM
Where is the conflict when you write your main characters as demigods?
You probably shouldn't expect much out of a novel based on a video game... but his work is just unreadable. If you can keep turning the page after he goes back in time to teach major lore characters everything they know, your literary bar must be set VERY low.
Zeyph Aug 28th 2009 9:09PM
When did anyone go back in time to teach major lore characters everything they know? Oh you mean the War of the Ancients trilogy? Where he used a now established, canon plot device, (which is Nozdormu sending adventurers back in time to rectify things fouled up by old gods) and they happen upon major lore characters. Nobody really taught anybody anything, except Rhonin allowing Illidan to tap into the Arcane more. Okay, I take that back. Rhonin Pretty much the sole cause of Illidans misfortune. sigh.
Tl:dr, or if more likely my ramblings have confused anybody, My point is, nobody went back in time to teach anybody anything.
Grock Aug 28th 2009 9:27PM
I have to admit, this interview solidified my desire not to read his book, or any more writing by him. He deserves to be there for the end of Deathwing? Really? Get over yourself. He acts like Deathwing is *his* character.
Zanathos Aug 29th 2009 2:27PM
Before Knack fleshed out the dragons of azeroth, they pretty much had no backstory. Deathwing was a big ol mean dragon with armor plating, and Alexstrasza was simply the captive queen of the dragons, providing the horde with their air units. Then in day of the dragon Knack came up with pretty much all the elements of the dragon's backstory you're familiar with, including things like the idea of dragon flights and dragon aspects. He didn't come up with the character of deathwing, no. He did come up with nearly everything you know about Deathwing beyond "he was a big mean dragon in WC2" thought.
carlybaby81 Aug 28th 2009 10:30PM
@stormdragon
Finally someone who knows the real story about this...Richard talked about it at the book sinning I mentioned; one jerk in the crowd basically started with the whole Mary Sue bullshit and asked why did he use a variation of the Japanese Ronin and RK set him straight...but you could tell he was tired of educating the stupid.
Stormdragon Aug 29th 2009 4:26PM
He does desreve to be there...Metzen gave him the task of fleashing out Deathwings story.
keep following the sheep kid.
ReluctantlyHuman Aug 29th 2009 12:04AM
I have to agree with Saint, here. I think the first Knaak story I read was the manga trilogy, and being manga I kind of assumed it was being translated by Knaak, and not penned by him (which I believe is not the case), and was really surprised that your average English speaker could write something so weak. Correction, an average English speaker was being PAID to write something so weak. Being manga, I forgave it and spent more time looking at the pretty pictures (amazing art, even if it doesn't really tie-in to the games art much).
Then I read the Ancients Trilogy, and while better, it was still rough going. I was pretty entrenched in the game at the time and was able to power through on account of not being able to play at work, so I read the books instead. And honestly, I'd probably have said they were good books if Krasus and Rhonin were not there (I never really considered them as Mary Sues, I just didn't care for them much); I quite liked Brox, and the bit with the dragons was good (they were not all just hanging out in Dragonblight back then, so it was more of a treat to read about them), and anything that has Maiev is alright in my book.
And then I tried Night of the Dragon. I didn't read Day of the Dragon, and hardly intend to now, but I thought I'd give NotD a try both since I was invested into the game again, and because I was intrigued by a draenei character; I am still unsure of how best to roleplay mine, so this seemed like a good place to do some research. It's still sitting on my bookshelf, literally being overshadowed by Arthas.
Somewhat off the topic, I love Ms. Golden's work, partly because it tends to be so personal as opposed to the epics that Knaak writes. I didn't care much for Arthas, but that's because I've played Warcraft III and the human campaign is my least favorite, so this just compounded upon that. But I think Lord of the Clans and Rise of the Horde are proof that books based on video games don't have to be sub-par, like someone else mentioned. They might not win any awards, but I can think back upon them fondly at least. And since I'm pretty much Alliance mostly, it says something that she's single-handedly made me care for Thrall.
Ahem, back on topic, I don't have anything against Knaak, it just disappoints me that he's going to be tackling Malfurion's tale, since I am interested in said tale, but I don't know if I'll be able to stomach it. Maybe if Krasus doesn't show up it'll be OK.
Saint Aug 29th 2009 1:05AM
Exactly. His sense of grandeur and scale is great. His character development is weak though. I think Golden is the opposite. She can make you really love a character because of how much you despise him; Blackmoore especially. I actually felt sympathetic to how awful he was but still wanted him to meet justice. And that's a sign of a great villain. Her battle scenes are just kind of.. I don't want to say dull, but they're not exciting either.
Both authors have strengths and both have weaknesses. I'd like to see a collaboration between the two. Golden fleshing out the characters and their dialogue and Knaak handling the settings and battles. THAT would be a great WoW book.