Drama Mamas: Venting
Dodge the drama and become that player everyone wants in their group with the Drama Mamas. Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are real-life mamas and experienced WoW players -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your server. We're taking your questions at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.The big event is over and it's time to go back to drama prevention. This week, we attempt to circumvent the need for a Raid Leader's intervention. We also tackle the topic of ventiquette -- which is the etiquette of speaking in Ventrilo and not the manners involved in venting about things. Although I'm sure we'll eventually get to venting etiquette as well. Now that I'm done inventing ways to use the syllable "vent", it's time for the drama.
Venting about a Raid Leader
Dear Drama Mamas: I'm a member of a raiding guild that is perfect in every way except one. Our raid leader, who also happens to be the GM, is the worst raid leader I have ever encountered in the history of WoW. He is not the original GM; he was given the position when the founder of the guild had to leave the game due to real life issues.No one has any complaints about him in his role as GM. He is always fair and impartial. He keeps his cool when the occasional drama occurs; he is heavily invested in the success of the guild. However, the qualities that make him an excellent GM are not necessarily the qualities that make a great raid leader.
He never stops talking during a raid; it is nonstop from start until finish. He gives us a running commentary of his moves for the entire fight. After a wipe it takes a good 10-15 minutes to regroup because he has to go over every step of the fight, even if we've done the fight successfully 50 times. Heck, we ran Naxx the other day for badges and he still had to give a run-down of each fight. Most raid leaders know how to motivate their raiders to perform better after a bad attempt at a boss. Not ours. I'm sure he thinks he is motivating us but he just comes across as frustrated and discouraged. Needless to say, this brings us down, which makes it difficult to improve our performance.
This is a serious problem. We have had a few raiders leave because they cannot bear to raid with him. But no one who leaves will tell him because they like him as a person so they don't want to hurt his feelings. I believe he is holding our guild back from fulfilling our potential, but I don't know what to do at this point. Signed, Raid Leader Woes
Drama Mama Robin: Dear Woes, this is a really tough problem, but I have a solution you can try. Get together with guildies who feel the same way you do and make a request to your GM for a Raid Leader rotation. Here are some selling points:
- It's good to have redundancy for when real life disrupts things.
- Added responsibility helps keep valuable guildies loyal.
- It will keep the encounters more fresh.
- Everyone will learn from the differing methods used by each RL on the rotation.
The best possible result from this is that he will learn to be a better raid leader from the rotation. It will also be a bit of a wake-up call if the other leaders' raids turn out to be more popular than his. But even if he never improves, you will at least have the relief of not having him lead every raid.
If he refuses to rotate or ends up taking over during other people's turns, I think you're going to have to sit him down with the other raiders and give it to him straight. Good luck and good raiding.
Drama Mama Lisa: The only way to avoid drama here is to come to the table with a solution – and Drama Mama Robin's solution is solid. Be sure to line up your raid leader prospects first. Not all of them have to be willing to keep at it, just to give it a try or three. You do need at least one volunteer who's willing to fill the gap on a regular basis.
The goal shouldn't be to replace your GM but rather to give him the opportunity to see other methods in action. What works? What doesn't work? How do guild members respond to different ways of doing things? If he's as savvy a guy as he sounds, he'll incorporate those observations into his own raids – a win/win for everyone.
Venting about ventiquette
Dear Drama Mamas: I just joined a guild that uses Vent, and they want me in there every night. I've got it loaded, but I'm terrified to say anything. What if I talk at the wrong time? What channels am I allowed in? I asked an officer, and he just laughed and said "Come on in, we won't bite." I'm not so sure ... Signed, No Bark and Scared of the Bite
Drama Mama Lisa: No need to jump in before you know how deep the water is, Bite. I'd suggest falling back on the old rule of netiquette (which so few netizens seem to heed these days): listen in on your new community and get a feel for things before you attempt to contribute. You'll quickly figure out when it's ok to chat, when it's time to keep the channel clear and what the guild culture is for verbal roughhousing.
Beyond that, simply conduct yourself like a civilized human being. We asked the WoW.com team what would drive them crazy on Vent – and they responded with vehemence.
Michael Gray: Stop eating in the @$#@ mic! Spit or something; I don't want to hear you slappin' your lips together like a cow chewing cud! LOVE OF [insert deity here] STOP IT.
Eddie Carrington: I hate it when people decide to raid in the lounge and then get ticked because people are just talking. Use the proper channels. Oh, and Vent is not the place for "eRP." Really makes the guild awkward when you walk into that one.
Michael Sacco: TURN YOUR OUTBOUND DOWN, [insert deity here]!
Mike Schramm: Yes, it really is your mic that is still open. Even if you think it's not, it is.
Matthew Rossi: Stop talking once we pull. Seriously, no story is that good. Also, turn your music down. I don't need, or want, to hear it.
Allison Robert:
- Don't talk over your tanks and healers trying to coordinate who's tanking what and where, and who's healing what and where. If we're doing hard modes and especially if I have to rely on someone else's cooldowns in order to survive one of those giant hits that Blizzard has become so fond of programming into encounters, the heal team needs to be able to hear me.
- Most of the time, the raid doesn't need to know you died. Unless you're doing a job in the raid that can be covered by someone else (or if you're doing a job that was 100% necessary and we'd save time by deliberately wiping), don't bother announcing you died. We're running raid frames. We know you died.
- Please, oh please, don't program a stupid-$#%@ one-minute long intro whenever you join or leave a channel. For the people who have that option enabled to hear "Wotzit has joined the channel," it's really not funny to have a 27-second-long intro play when your glorious self enters and leaves.
- Set up Vent or TeamSpeak correctly. (If you PuG, it's a good idea to have both ready to go.)
- Normalize your settings.
- Watch your language. Never assume that because nobody has said anything (yet) that they're cool with the blue streak you just cursed up. You're in a social setting; conduct yourself accordingly.
- At least until others get to know your voice, include your name with coordination requests or announcements ("Kade picking up adds on the right").
- No chatter before or during boss fights.
- Don't play music into the mic.
- Use push-to-talk if there's background noise in the room where you're playing.
- Move to a private channel for individual groups or private conversations.
- Don't barge into individual channels, where other players may be concentrating on their own event.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, Raiding, Drama Mamas








Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
talkingmike Aug 28th 2009 2:17PM
Remember kids: Less is More when it comes to Vent!
Laynne Aug 28th 2009 2:19PM
About Vent: my newish guild is like that too. My old guilds we would hop on vent when we wanted or needed to talk. This guild hangs out there. I still find it strange. All the advice listed is good. I started getting used to it by talking to people I knew already, or who I felt comfortable with, and the moving on and talking to other people. One more thing: I think music sounds louder to others than it does to you. I was doing some heroics last weekend, and had the Blizzcon closing ceremonies on in the background on my computer. I said something, and my guildies were like...is that Ozzy? It sounds like he's rocking out in your house!
Spoonshark Aug 28th 2009 3:45PM
You were playing wow instead of watching Ozzy? You're as bad as the people there who walked out after his first song. I'm still ashamed of all of you.
Mr. Tastix Aug 28th 2009 8:43PM
Wait... people walked out after his first song? VENGEANCE SHALL BE MADE.
jealouspirate Aug 28th 2009 2:24PM
I'm glad to go into vent during a raid, but I would not want to be in a guild that kept asking me to come in vent whenever I'm logged on, even if it's just to chat or whatever.
I like everyone in my guild just fine, but even though I'm playing an online game I don't want to be in a perma-social setting. I even have some alts that I deliberately leave out of the guild for when I feel like being completely tuned out of the chatter.
Zhangrief Aug 28th 2009 2:26PM
Vent is a blast, but sometimes the intimacy can be a little uncomfortable especially when people start getting all e-thug (i.e. talking smack, backbiting or spewing racist garbage).
Deadly. Off. Topic. Aug 28th 2009 2:31PM
Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see a problem with a raid leader making sure everyone is up to par on what they're doing. I like having fights explained in case there are changes or possibly (as usually the case is) there's always someone new in the raid who doesn't have a clue what is happening. (Also in my guild there are people who NEED to be told repeatively even if they've been successful - they're sheep.) Sometimes the speech they give isn't meant to address the one touchy person who feels they should be above reproach, but is meant for the other players who need it.
To me personally, "But no one who leaves will tell him because they like him as a person so they don't want to hurt his feelings" hearing this is bullshit. So, leaving the guild doesn't hurt the leader? Um, if you're THAT pissed to leave the guild people usually SAY why. It's been my experience that if someone really likes the leader, they talk things through with that leader, the fact that they don't suggests there's some other issue going on.
ZMES_Matt Aug 28th 2009 2:33PM
I always love these articles; they're full of win.
P.S. The name is awesome too.
Ian R. (Orkchop) Aug 28th 2009 2:33PM
It usually acceptable to respond ingame to something said in Vent. That could be a good stepping stone until you get comfortable.
Frank Aug 28th 2009 3:25PM
i tend to do this in party chat. even though i'm on vent, sometimes the people on vent forget that not EVERYONE is able to use vent for one reason or another, so it's good to have stuff in party chat as well for those people. i'll reiterate instructions verbally given on vent, etc.
Wrathshield Aug 28th 2009 2:40PM
Keep your raiding comments short and specific to the situation such as on Ignis - you might say "Pink is in the pot" and that is all - everyone should know what their job is and may be listening for in game cues to help their play - YES some people actually have game sounds turned on!!!
Also, it amazes me when we hang in vent, sometimes there can be 6-10 of us and no one is saying a word and everyone is fine with it. We talk when we need or want to say something (usually this is NOT during raids or instances) but then again it is usually just us guys if the girls join - of which we have about 9 in the guild, you can forget silence after that - no offense meant just facts.
Bigchuck Aug 28th 2009 2:41PM
As a member of a guild that likes to hang out in vent, I have to say that mostly stems from many of our founding members being long time friends both on and offline. We all know each other pretty well and are most comfortable hanging out that way. We don't require anyone to join vent, but if you don't, you are probably missing out on 90% of the guild interaction!
I'd say get in and listen, type responses at first, and speak when you feel comfortable. If your guild is anything like ours, Vent is generally just friendly chatter, nothing to be scared of!
Hor Aug 28th 2009 2:56PM
You actually listed some of the specific rules listed on our guild's website lol. And why are they listed? Because for some reason, people are stupid enough to do these things.
Beli Aug 28th 2009 2:57PM
First for the raid leader: Dude, get a spine. Present your feelings to the raid leader in a constructive manor, and if he's really as good a guy as you say he is, he'll take it as such without causing drama. Try to understand his point of view (don't want to wipe on bosses because someone doesn't know not to stand in the fire), and approach with a solution that makes everyone happy - maybe ask him to do a ready check before the boss pull to see if anyone needs something explained.
Second for Vent: for social use, i say feel free to speak up whenever you feel like it - the only real "rules" involved are the type you would expect if everyone was sitting in the same room together. For raiding, you basically just need to know when to shut up - during a boss explanation, during a fight, or whenever the raid leader is talking. Other than that, it's ok to sit back and listen for a few nights/weeks and see how other people act. Pick someone at a similar level of the guild (aka not an officer/raid leader) and see when they talk and when they don't. But most of all, realize that it's ok to be a little quiet and shy at first - a whole ton of people are, both on vent and in real life.
Anonymous Aug 28th 2009 3:53PM
God, this! Again and again and again I see people complain that someone is annoying and yet they say nothing because they're too afraid to. I call it the "I tried nothing and nothing worked" strategy. I'm really surprised that the writers of this column did not point out the obvious, this raid leader will not know anything is wrong unless someone *tells* him, and usually subtle non-hints, like trying to get a raid leader rotation and hoping that he somehow realizes everyone wants to change his leading style, don't work. And its also way easier to talk about potentially offensive things through in game chat that in real life, since you can sit there and think very carefully about what you're saying. I've had to express difficult things like this before to people in WoW, and it worked out just fine, just be honest and tactful. And, if he takes the honest and reasonable criticism so badly that it causes drama, maybe he shouldn't be in a leadership position in the first place.
LilBanshee Aug 28th 2009 2:57PM
As a raid leader for a casual guild, I'm accustomed to a couple of people in every raid having not been there the previous week, or being a PUG from another guild that usually does certain bosses differently, or just being forgetful. So I at least summarize every fight before we do it, every week.
I've learned that repetition of some key directions for a fight between wipes can be also be useful, especially (but not exclusively) when people make a mistake involving that detail. Don't forget to stack up on Korth'azz and spread out on Zeliek. Hey melees, don't forget that this dragon has a tail swipe and the tank has to turn him every so often. Hey, don't forget to single-target DPS the big trash before AoE'ing the little stuff. Etc.
SpaceGoatPriest Aug 28th 2009 3:10PM
I am sure some people hate it (but I have gotten a lot of "We love it"), but I have a sound board setup so I can quickly access sound effects that I can play in Vent. I raid "casually" (ie not often) now, but it used to be every week. I don't go overboard with the sounds, but I like to believe it helps lighten the mood (I have the fail horn from Price is Right for wipes :D). I have the 'MOAR DOTS', murloc, and a bunch of others.
Another thing I would do is I would always have a song for the Heigan fight. (since that fight is referred to as being able to 'do the dance'). I always tried to have a song that about/linked to dancing. Everyone's favorite, The Safety Dance.
I always get invites, so I guess I am not too annoying :)
ziggler Aug 28th 2009 3:15PM
given your name, gonna bet you have a lack of healers in your guild :)
those kind of gimmicks are so so SO annoying!
SpaceGoatPriest Aug 28th 2009 3:25PM
I always run as shadow, so that is not it. I don't do it in PUGs, just our guild (and I get invites from a guild we run a lot with).
SpaceGoatPriest Aug 28th 2009 3:36PM
And this is not my toon's name, FYI.