This story's from last week, but I love it anyway -- over at the Greedy Goblin,
Gevlon's guild was getting a little tired of all of
the achievement-checking and gear requirements for endgame raiding, and so they set out to do something that many experienced raiders might admit seems impossible:
take down Yogg-Saron with nothing but blues on. That means no epics at all -- no epic gear, dropped or crafted, no epic enchants, no epic gems. They did use profession bonuses, but everyone should have access to those by now (all it takes is money, and all that takes is time). And of course, they did it: toppled Yoggy with the group you see on the page there.
The combat log is also posted, and it's about what you'd expect: none of the damage numbers are crazy high, but the group works so well together and plays so evenly that they get it done. That's the message to be taken away here: gear is nice, but nothing will get you farther than a well-oiled group of solid players.
Gevlon
talks more about it in this post, with a little more math that shows that while we consider gear to be a powerful indicator of a player's skill, it isn't necessarily so. Gear upgrades, even to the point of legendary items, will only update your stats to a max of around 40%, which is not insignificant, but it won't make you two or three times the player you are now. The only way to do that is by playing better: knowing your spec and how to use the bonuses you get, knowing how to deal with aggro and how to run the fights, and knowing the rest of your raid. Does your tank know who to watch and what to do when things go wrong? Does your melee know when to get out of the AoE, and does your DPS know when to drop threat and when to open up? That stuff, as Gevlon shows in a stark light, will make your raid go much farther than any epic gear ever will.
Tags: blues, combat-log, epic-enchants, epic-gems, epics, game, gaming, gear, greedy-goblin, guilds, money, raiding, requirements, rules, theorycrafting, thinking, time, yogg-saron
Filed under: Items, Analysis / Opinion, Guilds, Raiding, Bosses, Leveling
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
jdm820@yahoo.com Sep 2nd 2009 1:04PM
Skill>Gear ... wish I had been there just to watch this ^.^
Boz Sep 2nd 2009 2:06PM
"Bring the player, not the gear."
Lorsty Sep 2nd 2009 2:25PM
Boz: "Bring the player, not the gear."
So, bosses will drop players now?
'Oh look, Anub'arak H25 dropped a holy priest!'
Crash Sep 2nd 2009 2:37PM
'Oh look, Anub'arak H25 dropped a holy priest!'
If noone need i'm gonna DE and we'll roll for shard, k?
lefauve Sep 2nd 2009 3:28PM
Tell me about it.
My shaman can't get into a VOA group, as geared as he is, just because I don't have the "achievement" for Emalon and Archavon. I do however have both achievements on my rogue.
Here's how it usually goes.
Dbag- "LFM DPS for VoA, STATS SPEC AND ACH PLEASE!"
Me- "Enhancement, 3.7k ap, 31% crit, hit capped"
Dbag - "Ach?"
Me - "I don't have it but I have it on my rogue"
Dbag - "Sorry man, I need to see the achievement."
Are you kidding me? Its VoA...so easy....
RogueJedi86 Sep 2nd 2009 5:52PM
"My shaman can't get into a VOA group, as geared as he is, just because I don't have the "achievement" for Emalon and Archavon."
That sounds like bs on the raid leaders' part. If no one can do VoA without VoA achievements, how has anyone ever done it? It just makes no damn sense. Sometimes I hate people.
Zuma Sep 2nd 2009 6:35PM
Just lie, it's much easier than going through the whole 'alt achievement' thing with some random stranger from trade :)
/run DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\124cffffff00\124Hachievement:3136:"..strsub(UnitGUID("player"),3)..":1:05:27:9:0:0:0:0\124h[Emalon the Storm Watcher]\124h\124r")
Creates an achievemnt link that you can shift+click to put into chat messages, or there's addons that do it for you :)
JHawk Sep 2nd 2009 1:05PM
Interesting Achievement. Definitely something only a group who really knew their stuff could do.
Mynarc Sep 2nd 2009 1:56PM
A group consiting of pro hardmode raiders and the clever goblin that pays them a weekly amount of gold to tag along to the raids.
Maximize Sep 2nd 2009 5:12PM
To be fair, Yogg isn't really the most gear dependent fight especially with 4 keepers. Let's see them do Heartbreaker or IC Hard mode. Then I'll be impressed.
Daisy Sep 7th 2009 6:08PM
mynarc, we are semi-casual, raiding 3 days a week max :)
peagle Sep 2nd 2009 1:07PM
Should be an achievement for this. Possibly "I'm blue dabu de...."
/sorry
Lidodger Sep 2nd 2009 1:47PM
Perfect! That sounds like the best name for the achievement.
Eternauta Sep 2nd 2009 2:02PM
I'm Blue Dabah Dee Dabah Die....
"Defeat Yogg-Saron in 10-man mode without any piece of epic quality gear equipped"
Reward title: "The Blue"
grump-e Sep 2nd 2009 2:20PM
I'd even consider that a harder mode than the hard mode and one that really shows the players skill.
World first? More like world first in blues.
Clbull Sep 2nd 2009 2:30PM
Don't apologise. That would be an AWESOME name and idea for an achievement.
Sanya Sep 3rd 2009 12:55AM
Haha, that's awesome! XD
Taytayflan Jan 3rd 2010 6:58PM
^^
Golden.
Horris Sep 2nd 2009 1:07PM
I felt pretty good about our 5-man takedown of FL 25, but this story is humbling.
Speedmonkay Sep 2nd 2009 1:09PM
That is awesome. Grats to them.
I always try to tell my guild Skill > gear anyday and now I have this great story to back me up.