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9-07-2009 @ 1:06PM
I've lost some very nice upgrades because the rules were set up to be fair and other tanks were ahead of me in ep/gp ratio.And every time I figured the following: I'll get it next time. That guy with the much better trinket/weapon/armor will be there next week with me and the upgrade might make things easier. ;)The GM was wrong and should enjoy what usually happens in these situations.A lot of people will be leaving because it appears as giving someone else loot over him will get them in trouble. Who really wants that?
9-07-2009 @ 7:48PM
I agree the Gm was wrong, however, i can understand him being bitter about it. The only fair way is to have pre-established rules for this kind of situation. If you dont have these rules, the only fair way of dealing with it is by having the person who switched specs pick a type of gear to roll on at the start (such as dps or tank) and can only roll on that type of gear for the entirety of the run. That makes sure that the person cant just pick upgrades based on what he sees dropping or try to roll on two different types of gear.
9-07-2009 @ 10:23PM
No kidding, you got demoted for giving a dps weapon to a tank rather than the dpser that rolled on it (who just so happened to be the GL).No shit sherlock. Thats why you don't trust random noobs with Loot Master. Unless pre-established, only the roles that were used during X fight matter when rolling on loot. In doubt, ask before distributing loot.The guy obviously made a mistake, and the GL does w/e he wants with his guild.
9-08-2009 @ 10:09AM
To Elmouth:So you are saying that the warrior should not be allowed to roll for his main specc when he changed specc to help out the guild?So what he should have done, was to have stayed dps and let the entire raid wait for them to find a tank instead?The person in that post, if I understood it correctly, gave him main specc gear, not off specc.So for someone who wants the guild to go forward and down new bosses to get punnished for it, instead of a fair chance for the gear he would have gotten if he did not change specc to be thought of as wrong. Well, some people only think about themselves, and would probably never have changed their specc anyways, just to be jackasses.
9-08-2009 @ 11:48AM
yeah, el, actually he got demoted for giving a tanking weapon to a tank, instead of the gm, who also happened to be a tank. The issue here is that the warrior tank who got the mace, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45892 for reference, was a dps spec warrior that they asked to tank for this boss. As far as i'm concerned, if you ask someone to spec a certain way for a raid, even just one boss in that raid, then they should be entitled to loot from that spec. Sure, they may have been dpsing the entire rest of the time, but you specifically asked them to tank thorim, so why shouldnt they get tank loot?And interestingly, what you think is the right thing to do is actually exactly what he did. So maybe he's not a "random noob" after all. The guy DIDNT make a mistake, and the GL apparently DOES do what he wants with his guild, which is a totally bs attitude to have. If youre going in with the attitude "this is my guild and i can do what i want" youre going to find yourself the king of a very small kingdom...
9-08-2009 @ 12:10PM
I pug a lot, especially while leveling, and when I was leveling my druid (spec'd kitty, and this was before dual-spec was implemented) I often (in fact, usually) filled the tank or healer roles, meaning I had to have the gear banked away for those rolls. Usually I would only roll need on gear for the role I was filling at the time. Sometimes I would ask at the start of the run if everyone was cool with me rolling on gear for a different purpose than what I was doing (i.e. "I know I'm tanking, but is everyone alright with me rolling only on healer loot? My healing set is in need of upgrades"), which was usually cool with the group, but I generally wouldn't do it (wouldn't even ask) if it was going to have me rolling against a lot of other people in the group (i.e. rolling on caster loot when there's a resto shaman and a mage in thre group). If an item dropped that wasn't for my current role but also wasn't usable for anyone else in the group, I'd generally ask before rolling and I don't think I ever had anyone say no.The point is, communication. In this situation, (I'm not saying Anonymous was wrong but...) if he had said, following the rolls: "OffspecTank and GLeader are both primary DPS, OffspecTank won the roll and therefore the item, any objections?" then the forum is open and the GL is really forced to either make his complaint publicly, at which point either a) an error can be corrected if the guild loot rules should give the item to the GL, or b) the GL will have to be open about taking the item he isn't entitled to, which will probably be bad for the raid and the guild, or c) the GL won't speak up, at which point reprimanding the lootmaster later for it will just make him look like an even bigger passive-aggressive douche, and more likely he'll just feel forced to let it go.If everyone knows the rules (whatever they may be), it's either being handled right or a correction needs to be made upfront. If it's being handled right and everyone knows it, the GL will run the risk of losing a lot more than the item by trying to punish the masterlooter for enforces pre-agreed rules.
9-09-2009 @ 2:00PM
Ok so everyone has 2 specs: main spec and off spec. You should pick one spec to roll on per run. (Ideally your main spec i.e. preferred spec) That way healers aren't rolling on tank gear etc.I'm a druid tank but sometimes my guild has too many tanks for raids so I'll dps as cat. However, tank is my _main spec_ so I pass on every single dps piece that drops and only roll on tank gear even if I'm not actively tanking for that evening.With that said in the original posters story we have the 2 playersWarrior: mainspec was DPSPaladin GM: mainspec was tankingEven though the warrior was asked to tank for the one fight his _mainspec_ is still _dps_ so he should only have rolled on dps gear. It seems like he just came in for the one fight and I assume no dps gear dropped from Thorim so he decided to grab whatever shinies he could.The paladin was entitled to the mace unless the warrior had declared he was rolling on tank stuff and not dps gear. So the original poster did screw up unless it was agreed on prior to starting the fight that the warrior would only roll on tank loot from then on.With that said even though I think the Paladin was robbed of the mace I don't think he handled it well at all and think he did mistreat the original poster.
9-10-2009 @ 9:41AM
the only times i've ever gotten frustrated when i didn't win loot is when something drops that rarely ever drops that is a huge upgrade for me. of course i say i've gotten frustrated meaning a headslap, or a short line of expletive's under my breath. never have i lashed out at anyone in any of my guilds over loot issues, and i think it's very poor character to do so.like scott said. everyone loves getting loot, and no one loves losing loot. but i would rather be miles behind gear wise to the rest of my guild than acting like a child when i don't get my way.
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