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9-07-2009 @ 3:09PM
Good post.It made me think of a difficult but fair decision my guild made: our worst dps won a rare best-in-slot trinket for all the melee. Giving it to that person instead of someone who would use it to its fullest potential was pretty painful.Did her receiving the item she won fairly hurt our dps?Yes and no.Yes: Someone else would have used it to its fullest potential and thus increased our dps.No: Refusing to honor a fair loot roll would lose us more dps than the first alternative through gquits.No sensible raider is going to stay in a guild that might say "No, your dps wasn't good enough tonight, you don't get loot." It is easier to retain what you have than try and train new members.
9-07-2009 @ 7:44PM
Well, if you set yourself up for a system that encourages failure, you basically have to live with what you get.Plenty of people will stick around in a guild even if they're not top priority for loot or have an even chance for loot because they want to be part of a team. A team involves 25 or 9 other people, and usually a few subs on the bench as well and as such it can NEVER be about you, it should ALWAYS be about the guild. If you don't set your GUILD up for success by rewarding the people who are both successful AND regular raiders, you're probably going to be nothing but a pack of loot whores and when the loot stops so goes the guild. (this can be a RL situation that takes a few people away, guild drama that chases someone away or just plain hitting a wall in progression but rest assured people start to bounce when they don't get their loot if they're not team players).So yeah, don't reward your lowest DPS with an even shot at loot. It's going to make your solid performers grumpy that new people/crappy performers get the upgrades and in my experience most of the worst (ie: the ones you can tell that don't really care) tend to be the guild hopping sort that will take your best in slot trinket and jump ship to some other guild where they can annoy all new people. You owe it to yourself and your guild to use a loot council or rank restrictions on loot. Find the team players, upgrade your guild before upgrading the players on a player-neutral basis and you'll find success a lot easier.
9-07-2009 @ 11:34PM
If one of your DPS is riding the fail train, why not get with them and help them not suck?
9-08-2009 @ 12:56AM
@Dave: For hardcore raiding guilds, if you're willing to have a member in your guild and let them raid, you let them roll on loot per your rules, whether you think they deserve it or not. This is what I think the original post was about, and my story is an example of a difficult situation where I think we did the right thing.I was not trying to debate the merits of letting a fail dps actually join our raids, nor do you have to like the way my guild does things. I do realize hardcore competitive types might consider my guild radical or even impractical, but our model has worked for two years so that we've both retained a loyal player base AND experienced steady growth. We raid regularly and complete content (which is, I think, the point of raiding?), and this is solely due to our mix of hardcore regular raiders and casual fillers, and our equal respect of both.To tell a nice woman in a guild that isn't a hardcore raid guild that she can't raid might be "practical," but it's cruel, demeaning, and disrespectful. In a normal raid guild, I trust that she would have been denied a guild membership after her first trial run, so I won't worry that you guys will ever have the problem we had.@Zandrae: I agree about teaching. Our guild is all about helping people improve and retaining members through friendship and guidance (often real life friends), but sometimes ... you come across someone you can't teach. And it's beyond comprehension. You try and try and try and you just can't. The lady in question was a middle-aged math teacher and several people gave her new rotations and gear lists and suggestions, but she just couldn't get her dps up. /shrug She was a great social asset and everyone liked her as a person, and our raiding is anti-cutthroat, so it was just a weird position to be in.She did eventually leave. I wish her well.
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