2v2 team hits 3206 team rating, 3585 personal rating

A 2v2 team on US-Ruin has somehow achieved an unheard-of 3206 team rating. Paper Cut Your Eyelids' team leader is Cäke, a Blood Elf Priest in three-piece Deadly, one-piece Furious Gladiator gear. His Orc partner, Kwamo, a nearly full Furious Assassination Rogue, has somehow amassed a 3585 personal rating on the curiously successful team. This is pretty amazing when you consider the highest 2v2 team last season was rated below 3000.
Red flags are going up over this one, folks.
The team has a strangely unimpressive win ratio of 82-71. If each of their losses brought the team down 0 points, (which we know is untrue from their match history), each of their wins would average out to slightly greater than ~39 points per win. As they are nearly 400 team rating above the next highest team on the battlegroup, one would assume their gains would decrease dramatically the higher they ascend.
Moreover, the team's match history is incredibly weird. Before the team's ridiculously large -938 point loss (at 1220 rating), their match history seems to be perfectly normal. As they ascend the ladder, their winning gains gradually decrease from 47 to the mid 30s. Losses count 0 against them (this is normal), as their match making rating ("MMR") is presumed to be greater than 1200.
The -938 point loss is where things start getting fun.
The armory recording a large point gain or loss "between games," or "in one game," is not necessarily rare. Sometimes, during armory updates, the match history doesn't keep track of games. If a team plays a lot of games in that period, the system will sometimes record teams as going +200 points with no real recollection of how they got there.
So, not necessarily a big deal there... except they went down 938 points from 1220 to 282. To go down that low means your MMR has to be sub-282. Attaining an MMR of those ridiculously low proportions would entail lots and lots of defeat, on purpose, to exceptionally poorly-rated teams. The time this would take would be staggering.
Of course, this wouldn't make much sense either, as a win is registered as giving the team +47 points. To gain 47 points, your match making rating has to be vastly above your team rating. Players who have an MMR of 800 are still vastly above 0, which explains why even they get 47 point wins when starting a new team.
Now, let's take a look at their losses: You would assume that for 47 points won, they would lose 0 points on a loss. Not so. They actually lose 47 points as well, giving them that very weird two point line effect that you see during the second half of their match history. They bounce from 282 to 329 and back many, many times, ending at 329 although the armory has them recorded at 3209. No, Office Space fans, I doubt this is a decimal error.
The mystery doesn't stop there, however: the games themselves are odd.
In most of the team's peculiar wins, Cäke was 1v2ing and got 1 killing blow. Cäke's rogue partner, Kwamo, was nowhere to be found in most of these games. If he entered the arena but disconnected previous to combat initiating, the Armory would show the rogue on game history with 0 damage done, 0 damage received, etc. -- but none of that appears. Virtually all of the teams are different, so it is extremely unlikely that win trading is going on, but something obviously isn't right.
Regardless of what's going on here, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Update: Armory has updated to show the team has played a few more games, and is now rated 2677 with a record of 95-94. Kwamo's personal rating is 3056, down from the 3585 armory had him at earlier.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Mailia Sep 12th 2009 8:38PM
Maybe an another Martin Fury!
Deathcritter Sep 12th 2009 8:46PM
I've had a lot of problems playing late night before server reset. Just a few weeks ago my 2v2 team showed over 1000% games played, weird things can happen, this isn't too surprising.
whack Sep 12th 2009 8:47PM
not that this has any relevance to the topic at hand, and i'm sorry for that, but as I was reading this I realized that I had absolutely no idea what you were talking about. What is MMR? what do you mean by winning gain of 47? how does the team rating affect their score? Why is it significant that they lost 47 points when they won 47 points?
Would it be possible for someone at wow.com to post a "for noobs" explanation of the arena system, arena ratings work, and the way match-making works? If you have already done so, would someone be so kind as to link me to it?
Adam Holisky Sep 12th 2009 9:00PM
I'll ask some folks to look into writing that, it'd be a good guide.
In the mean time, check out the WoWWiki page on arena ratings: http://www.wowwiki.com/Arena_PvP_system
Clbull Sep 12th 2009 9:17PM
MMR is the Matchmaking Rating, and it was introduced midway into Season 5. It initially caused lots of confusion because many players were somehow losing rating or gaining extremely little for wins, as compared to losses. Those issues kinda got fixed by Season 6 when all teams started at 0 instead of 1500 rating.
Your MMR determines what teams you face, and how much you win/lose from battles.
Chris Sep 13th 2009 12:59AM
Haha I was thinking the same thing as I read this.... like is this in English? Did I switch to some crazy online Algebra book? What is going on? The context was interesting, but the actual facts were completely over my head... I'm glad I wasn't alone!
loganstolt Sep 13th 2009 3:15AM
i was actually on arena junkies last night and saw this and thought it was quite odd as well seeing they had 82 wins and 70 some off losses and such a high rating
Burninate Sep 12th 2009 8:49PM
Whatever was going on with the armory with that, it's fixed now.
Their team rating is down to 2677. Nothing to worry about.
Me Sep 12th 2009 8:56PM
who is c. christian moore?
Jp Sep 12th 2009 9:16PM
Is it really fixed? The rogue still has an over 3k personal rating on a team with a fairly unimpressive record. This is still the top-rated team on Ruin, even with the "fix".
Adam Holisky Sep 12th 2009 9:21PM
Colby, er, C. Christian Moore, is a new columnist here at WoW.com. Be nice to him. =)
And the Armory page isn't showing fixed to me.
Lemons Sep 16th 2009 3:18PM
Nothing to worry about? How in the hell do you get to 2677 with just barely over a 50% win percentage AND only ~200 games played?
The way arena team ratings work just baffles me. I don't think I'll ever understand it...
Kevin Gass Sep 12th 2009 8:55PM
Hmm perhaps Cake is the karate chop of the PvP world. Found himself a GM item perhaps.
hoss Sep 12th 2009 9:03PM
A GM Item that changes the outcome of a match? I'm guessing it's just a Armory database issue.
Babaloo Sep 13th 2009 9:53AM
See: Martin Fury.
artifex Sep 13th 2009 1:27PM
Should be obvious to anyone who's played Portal:
the Cäke is a lie.
Darren Sep 12th 2009 9:03PM
If you look at the rogues 5v5 time, another interesting thing to see is that the time has played 33 games total this season. If you look at the players matches played, 6 of the members have played 33 games.
Possible? Not according to maths it isn't.
Kreeoni Sep 12th 2009 9:11PM
I think it's unfair of you to give two players a bad name because of a possible armory mistake. Wait for the facts first (as previously noted their armory ranking has been normalized). While they may have very well have cheated their way to the top, it could be (and looks most likely to be) just an armory glitch. At least post that possibility instead of fully insinuating that they are cheating.
kurt Sep 12th 2009 9:59PM
Where does the article insinuate they cheated?
Near as I can see, it actively dismisses some specific exploits as not being a possible/likely cause.
elfennau Sep 12th 2009 9:42PM
I agree with this.