A critical examination of Garrosh Hellscream

Yes, I'm talking about Garrosh Hellscream. Everyone's favorite "Oh I hate that guy" guy. And to be frank from the first time my Tauren Warrior stepped off of his kodo in front of the fire in Garadar I've kind of disliked him. He was whiny, dismissive, and petulant, (yes, I said it twice, you're lucky I didn't just type it 3000 times) and frankly even after I went through one of the longest (in terms of what it had me do, anyway) quest chains in BC to finally, finally get Thrall to come out and slap some sense into the kid (which he did with a kicking lightshow - remember Laser Floyd? Yeah, even Laser Floyd didn't have demon lords) I didn't like the new, reinvigorated Garrosh any more than I liked him before. Granted, I didn't expect to ever see him again.
Then there I was in Orgrimmar and suddenly there's Garrosh, giving Thrall lip. So much lip, in fact, that they actually got into a fight. That wasn't all, though. Garrosh won. Seriously, the wiki downplays it, but I was watching, and if the Lich King didn't choose that moment to attack Org then Garrosh was going to slap Thrall down. I was, to put it mildly, stunned. Garrosh? That incredible prat that I couldn't get to take action in Nagrand when I showed him definite proof of the ogre threat? Beating Thrall? How was it possible that the guy who spent four of my levels weeping into a campfire beat one of the best gladiators on the face of Azeroth? Things only got weirder when I got to Borean Tundra.
When I arrived at Warsong Hold, there was Garrosh standing next to Saurfang and actually being a jerk to him. Now, to be honest up until that point Saurfang was more famous for his infamous facts and some insanely nasty cleaves to Alliance stupid enough to pull him (or Horde who were unfortunate enough to run into him when Allies could MC him) but even before I'd gone through the quests that established Saurfang as not just a badass but also a thinking orc I'd always liked the guy. It's impossible not to like a guy who can non-ironically call himself "That which does quell the recalcitrant" really. Well, okay, maybe it's just me. And yet here's Garrosh, talking smack to possibly the greatest living warrior the orcish race has produced. I was pleasantly surprised that Garrosh remembered what I'd done for him, though: characters who hadn't played through the events of Hero of the Mag'har got a considerably less pleasant greeting from the head of the Warsong Offensive.
Since then I've leveled both Horde and Alliance to 80 and really had time to stop and think about Garrosh and his attitude. And frankly, I think the key is this: Garrosh has spent his entire life being afraid. I'm not talking cowardice, or a fear of combat. No, Garrosh has been afraid of himself. When I first arrived at Garadar, I literally fought Garrosh's own opinion of himself the entire way up and down the zone. Look at the sheer amount of work it took to finally get him to stop being terrified of his legacy. Then Thrall comes out and says "No, no, you've got it all wrong. Your dad saved us. It's okay, it's good even to be a Hellscream."
In one moment Garrosh has a lifetime burden lifted from his shoulders, is told that he should embrace being a Hellscream, and given a chance to join an organization that idolizes Grommash. It becomes apparent by his own words that Garrosh's view of the Horde is an idealized one.

To Garrosh, fear (the very fear that once held him back) is the real enemy. The Horde can fear nothing, because it is what freed him from his fear in the first place. Garrosh embraces the Horde because it was the Horde that helped rid him of his terror of becoming like his father. Now, he seeks absolutely nothing more than to be exactly like his father , to the point where even Saurfang comments on how like Grom he is. What Saurfang sees as a cautionary warning - "You're too reckless and impatient, too eager to risk war without even considering the costs" comes to Garrosh's ears as the highest possible praise. After all, his father is savior of the orcs! His father is a great hero! No longer does Garrosh have to stand by a fire, torn by doubts that his will be the hand that dooms the orcs as his father... no, everything his father did turned out to be the right thing to do. It's good to be a Hellscream and act as a Hellscream acts.
Thrall and Drek'Thar have no one to blame for this but themselves, because when they got to Nagrand and found Garrosh paralyzed by indecision their choice was to remove that indecision by making Grom an idealized hero and completely glossing over Garrosh's very real concerns. The fact is, Garrosh is a young orc with a young orc's tendency to go to extremes, and they completely failed to convey any of the complexities of Grom's life to the young orc. His regret, his understanding that he had been duped, his constant battle with the blood haze, his failures and mistakes, the context that made his last heroic stand against Mannoroth a heroic objective correlative. In slaying Mannoroth, the demon lord, Grommash actually slew his own demons as well, but without the context of his own struggles and the suffering his recklessness caused him, the story loses its cautionary bite and Grom is elevated to a cartoonish idol. And that's exactly who Garrosh is trying to be, the cartoon of Grom that Thrall inadvertently created for him at Garadar.
So now Garrosh is pefectly poised to repeat his father's mistakes, because they've been changed into virtues in his eyes. He must find Thrall paradoxical and frustrating, as the older orc has gone from the one who brought him this new understanding and a new world to belong in to a constant irritant trying to get him to stop behaving like a Hellscream. No wonder the two are at constant loggerheads: Thrall wants Garrosh to be his father, and so does Garrosh, but Thrall wants Grom as he remembers him and Garrosh has no idea who that orc is. This all stems from Thrall's tendency to make demigods of the leaders of the old Horde that he met at the end of their lives, like Doomhammer. The Grom Thrall knew was not the one Garrosh would have known. How could he have been?
It makes me wonder what would have happened if Thrall had sent Saurfang as his emissary. At any rate, however, considering what he's been exposed to Garrosh has managed to become exactly what he believes is expected of him in a very short time. He's gone from a sullen adolescent (I have no idea how old Garrosh actually is, mind you) to a warrior capable of giving Thrall a fight and staring Saurfang in the face without a trace of fear. I'd like very much to see a Saurfang/Garrosh duel... if Garrosh won, it would fuel his already aggressive stance even further. And frankly, it might be a good thing for the Horde overall.
The Horde is, and has always been, at a pivot. Thrall's decision to make heroes of members of the old Horde has in effect meant that his government could never disavow their actions, and as a result, can never find peace with the Alliance who remembers them as blood crazed berserkers who poured into Azeroth through the Dark Portal and made common cause with cannibals and lunatics who explode everything in sight. Now, if the rumors are true, rather than a mystic, the Horde will finally have a leader who will fully embrace the warrior ethos of the old Horde and in so doing, bring it home for everyone involved. Frankly, any movement on this part is forward movement, rather than Thrall's hesitant, half-hearted attempts at detente. Perhaps the war needs to burst into full fire once and for all, and if so, Garrosh could be the best possible leader for the Horde, one who truly believes in his people and their righteousness without ambiguity or doubt.
Ironic that it took Thrall, son of Durotan, to give Garrosh, son of Grommash freedom from his doubt and uncertainty, thus making him what he is today.
I feel bad for Garrosh, because I'm pretty sure Cataclysm will be his high point. From there, he'll have to learn, the way his father did, that bloodlust has costs. It seems a shame that the sins of the father are to be visited upon the son who was the most afraid of them.
Edited to Add: Wow, lot of interesting comments already. And while I don't think I possibly can answer all or even most of them, that doesn't mean I don't see your points, especially the ones about how Garrosh seems ungrateful or unrealistic and about how the Thrall/Garrosh fight can be seen differently than how I saw it. There may be enough in what you're all saying for another look into Garrosh in the future.
Thrall and Drek'Thar have no one to blame for this but themselves, because when they got to Nagrand and found Garrosh paralyzed by indecision their choice was to remove that indecision by making Grom an idealized hero and completely glossing over Garrosh's very real concerns. The fact is, Garrosh is a young orc with a young orc's tendency to go to extremes, and they completely failed to convey any of the complexities of Grom's life to the young orc. His regret, his understanding that he had been duped, his constant battle with the blood haze, his failures and mistakes, the context that made his last heroic stand against Mannoroth a heroic objective correlative. In slaying Mannoroth, the demon lord, Grommash actually slew his own demons as well, but without the context of his own struggles and the suffering his recklessness caused him, the story loses its cautionary bite and Grom is elevated to a cartoonish idol. And that's exactly who Garrosh is trying to be, the cartoon of Grom that Thrall inadvertently created for him at Garadar.
So now Garrosh is pefectly poised to repeat his father's mistakes, because they've been changed into virtues in his eyes. He must find Thrall paradoxical and frustrating, as the older orc has gone from the one who brought him this new understanding and a new world to belong in to a constant irritant trying to get him to stop behaving like a Hellscream. No wonder the two are at constant loggerheads: Thrall wants Garrosh to be his father, and so does Garrosh, but Thrall wants Grom as he remembers him and Garrosh has no idea who that orc is. This all stems from Thrall's tendency to make demigods of the leaders of the old Horde that he met at the end of their lives, like Doomhammer. The Grom Thrall knew was not the one Garrosh would have known. How could he have been?
It makes me wonder what would have happened if Thrall had sent Saurfang as his emissary. At any rate, however, considering what he's been exposed to Garrosh has managed to become exactly what he believes is expected of him in a very short time. He's gone from a sullen adolescent (I have no idea how old Garrosh actually is, mind you) to a warrior capable of giving Thrall a fight and staring Saurfang in the face without a trace of fear. I'd like very much to see a Saurfang/Garrosh duel... if Garrosh won, it would fuel his already aggressive stance even further. And frankly, it might be a good thing for the Horde overall.
The Horde is, and has always been, at a pivot. Thrall's decision to make heroes of members of the old Horde has in effect meant that his government could never disavow their actions, and as a result, can never find peace with the Alliance who remembers them as blood crazed berserkers who poured into Azeroth through the Dark Portal and made common cause with cannibals and lunatics who explode everything in sight. Now, if the rumors are true, rather than a mystic, the Horde will finally have a leader who will fully embrace the warrior ethos of the old Horde and in so doing, bring it home for everyone involved. Frankly, any movement on this part is forward movement, rather than Thrall's hesitant, half-hearted attempts at detente. Perhaps the war needs to burst into full fire once and for all, and if so, Garrosh could be the best possible leader for the Horde, one who truly believes in his people and their righteousness without ambiguity or doubt.
Ironic that it took Thrall, son of Durotan, to give Garrosh, son of Grommash freedom from his doubt and uncertainty, thus making him what he is today.
I feel bad for Garrosh, because I'm pretty sure Cataclysm will be his high point. From there, he'll have to learn, the way his father did, that bloodlust has costs. It seems a shame that the sins of the father are to be visited upon the son who was the most afraid of them.
Edited to Add: Wow, lot of interesting comments already. And while I don't think I possibly can answer all or even most of them, that doesn't mean I don't see your points, especially the ones about how Garrosh seems ungrateful or unrealistic and about how the Thrall/Garrosh fight can be seen differently than how I saw it. There may be enough in what you're all saying for another look into Garrosh in the future.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 13)
Batleth Sep 21st 2009 4:12PM
Good article. Although I still hate the guy, primarily because I'm Alliance, I do get the points you're trying to make here.
I will still revel in roflstomping his @$$ though when given the opportunity. To do otherwise would be disappointing to King Wrynn...and no one (other than card-carrying Communists, that is) wants to disappoint King Wrynn.
8-)
kabshiel Sep 21st 2009 5:03PM
I concur, this was a great article. I think Garrosh is a much more complex character than people give him credit for and is much less of a psycho than he pretends to be.
In regards to Garrosh's age, he's a little older than Thrall.
Rhabella Sep 21st 2009 5:14PM
I can't stand Varian and I play Alliance exclusively, so I guess the I should be asking, "where do I pick up my card?"
Kuno Sep 21st 2009 6:31PM
Yeah, not much to pick:
- Josef Wrynn
or
- Garrosh Hietlehr ;)
And even with dramatic tries of dear V. A. Jaina Proudmore to sing a song "Why can't we be friends" we still feel like O_o, o_O, can I pick Captain Planet and live in Ashenvale with him instead?
Elmouth Sep 21st 2009 9:34PM
"Then there I was in Orgrimmar and suddenly there's Garrosh, giving Thrall lip. So much lip, in fact, that they actually got into a fight. That wasn't all, though. Garrosh won."
/facepalm
I usually like what you write Rossi, but this is fanboy territory.
The wow comics are 100% more accurate/reliable source of lore than buggy in-game events. The only reason people believe Garrosh was "winning" in because for some reason Thrall's health bar was lower than Garrosh's.
While in the wow comic, Thrall is holding Garrosh at bay using only one hand & is lecturing him when the herald arrives.
If one is deadset on taking in-game stats to validate this stuff however, Garrosh can be 2-manned and has low health, while Thrall still require a good raid.
This whole debate is annoying, since its based on nothing of significance.
Morighan Sep 22nd 2009 3:05AM
/agree with Elmouth
I don't know what things were like on other servers, but on Khaz'Goroth, it was quite weird. First couple of times I saw the Thrall Vs Garrosh event, Garrosh really had Thrall on the ropes, but the closer to the end of the event, the more Thrall was kicking Garrosh.
The last time I saw it Garrosh was on about 1/2 hp and Thrall was on 3/4 and smashing Garrosh all over the arena with lightning blasts.
I guess in an effort to make sure that neither combatant was near death when the Lich King interrupted the coding allowed for a very wide variance in outcomes.
Personally, I'm hoping that sooner or later Vol'Jin wanders in on a Garrosh vs Someone argument, sighs, turns Garrosh into a frog, and hands him over to Varian as a 'peace offering' with a side order of Mojo.
Johan Forn Sep 22nd 2009 6:37AM
You guys above are masters at twisting facts, just to make it fit into your little fanboy mind. In-game Thrall lost. It ended with Thrall on his knees. No arguing possible, suck it up.
The comic however shows Thrall having the upper hand and blasting Garrosh backwards. Which one is official, we cannot say yet.
Para Sep 22nd 2009 5:53PM
I used to play horde and one of the reasons ive stopped playing them is because as i have read more and more into the lore i hate THRALL.
Yeah i know i did just say that and i know a lot of lore nerds (ment in the least offensive way) just died a little inside but i mean come on..... you cant have both horde and alliance being "good". I came to wow thinking oooh horde are evul orcs and trolls humans are the good guys..... seems the opposite sometimes now that i have read some of the lore.
Im not the most clued up guy on lore and i dont try and hide that but is it just me that thinks that garrosh would be an awsome character to lead the horde? They need to go back to being a bit more bloodthirsty and well...hordish
The whole WAR in WARcraft doesnt seem to be there just this semi stalemate thing thats going on and it just doesnt feel like the factions hate each other enough.
Ohwell i will quit my ramblings here just my 2cents
golffuul Sep 21st 2009 4:19PM
slow news day?
impurezero Sep 21st 2009 4:23PM
I don't know...maybe you should get off of this "blog" and go to a news site to find out?
EZ Sep 21st 2009 8:56PM
are you kidding me? Rossi is one of the few writers who ||consistently|| puts effort into his writing. If I want a wow article with substance, I read Rossi (even the class articles you can tell he spent a lot of time thinking about them before writing). If I want to read another LoLcats article I'll see what Allison is going on about, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Let me put this in language you will understand: Go away the grown ups are talking, a village is looking for its idiot, DIAF, omgbbq, etc.
ah dam, I fed the troll again. shi-
Cyanea Sep 21st 2009 4:15PM
I'm an Alliance player, and I dislike Garrosh just as much (ignoring the fact that we've been saddled with Wrynn, aka Mini-Garrosh). Despite being Alliance, I have a respect for Thrall. It's hard NOT to respect him, and then for Garrosh to kick him around like that?
I can't wait for Catacylsm when Garrosh becomes the leader of the Horde and I'm invited to put my Size-10 Space Goat Hoof in his ass. :D
Dreyja Sep 21st 2009 5:08PM
Yep, can't wait.
I'll actually get in on the city raids, since Cairne, the other admirable horde leader appears to be going away as well. Hopefully, whatever the get Thrall up to I'll be able to help him out because he's always worded away at doing the right thing. That's all I want to do.
toxicityj Sep 21st 2009 5:25PM
Agreed. Thrall is a bad-ass mofo. And so was Wrynn at some point. but now he's a human version of Garrosh. Garrosh's racism and Wrynn's xenophobia/racism are ridiculous and are pretty much the source of a lot of the horde/alliance tension, imo. Although I think Blood Elves are a good source of it too, because I think even the rest of the horde would gank the hell out of any BE they see if thye could.
Dreyja Sep 21st 2009 5:29PM
LOL!!!
Terethall Sep 21st 2009 8:09PM
I really am not a huge fan of Thrall. He venerates those who perpetrated the greatest violence against peaceful Azerothians, and yet he lacks the will to keep his people (like Garrosh) in line. He tries to leverage the clout of the monsters that led the Old Horde, and yet he fails to actually use his own strength to prevent the atrocities of the New Horde (of which he theoretically disapproves). Either he is a machiavellian schemer or a spineless and confused hero-worshiper.
I'd much rather see Saurfang as the leader of the Horde. As much as I am a fan of Varian (and sure to be a fan of Greymane, by all indications), Saurfang is nearly the perfect leader. He has demonstrated actual regret for his actions and the actions of his people, and yet he does not succumb to inaction. He seems wise, powerful, and experienced, moreso than Thrall and Garrosh combined. If the anti-Varian crowd actually expects the leader of the Alliance and witness to the atrocities of the New Horde to make yet another attempt at diplomacy, they should work to oust those (Thrall and Garrosh) that have ruined all of Wrynn's previous attempts at peace.
Extrox Sep 22nd 2009 5:25AM
@ Terethall
Maybe it's just me, but I find it rather amusing that so many people point out that "Thrall can't keep the Horde in check" when the Alliance leaders are the same exact way if not worse.
Face it, there are more "End Game Bosses" that are former members of the Alliance than the Horde. The Horde might have more "grunts" goofing off, but the Alliance has bred most of the real threats to Azeroth, at the very least they've been involved in their creation. If a few skirmishes can be claimed as a sign of "Horde Can't keep their people in control" then the fact that the Alliance let loose some of the greatest villians in the lore surely says more.
Frankly, the Draenei are to blame for the Orcs manipulation. If they had never ran then the Legion never would never have had the interaction/corruption with the Orcs and the wars wouldn't have happened. We can't leave out the humans though, Medivh opened up a nice little passage to Azeroth in the first place...
Lets not forget about the whole fact Sylvanas is a result of Arthas...
Or the fact that the Blood Elves we're betrayed...
Long story short, the Alliance only have theirselves to blame for the most part and surely can be held accountable for such atrocities if the Horde is considered liable for a group of Forsaken going rogue.
I will agree though, Saurfang is the best choice if this were real politics but Garrosh is absolutely the best choice when it comes to making the Factions actually go after each other again. I swear, after TBC and the majority of Wrath I'm suprised my Troll isn't at least Friendly if not Honored with Stormwind after all the "Let's work together!" crap.
LoboBiZARro Sep 22nd 2009 10:12AM
@Terethal
Varian's attempts at peace? Jaina has been the one trying to get Varian to come to some understanding with Thrall, but it's been Varian's xenophobic/racism attitude that ruined the one and only time. Now, to be fair to that jerk, Varian has not had the best of life... to a point where I think he is just plain insane from everything that has happened to him. But don't go justifying that jerk as the one trying to bring peace, when all he ever wanted was to erase the Orcs from the face of Azeroth, only now he wishes to wipe the Horde. If Jaina was the one running the Alliance, things might just be different, with perhaps Stormwind fighting alone the Horde.
And I have to agree, the comic had a better interpretation of the fight. There was actually dialogue, the in-game event was a joke, to say the least. I am not saying Thrall whooped Garrosh, because in the end I think Garrosh would lose, but I am saying there was more to that fight than the developers did. Thrall was waging a fight on two fronts, physical which he was on par with Garrosh, and mental, where he was lecturing Garrosh the entire fight. BUT, this fight depends on your point of view. If anyone has seen TMNT, there is a fight that is exactly like Garrosh and Thrall fight, even ends more or less the same. During the fight Leo was lecturing Raph on his attitude, anger, impatience, all the things that Garrosh suffers, but in the end Raph over powered Leo and pinned him to the ground, much like Garrosh overpowers Thrall in game, but the thing is, Raph reflects on what happened and realized how weak and how stupid he was, he realized he did not win that fight with Leo, and proved everything Leo was lecturing him about. Even though he overpowered Leo, he lost. The significance of the comic is just that, it illustrates the fight between Garrosh and Thrall much better, because Thrall was lecturing the entire fight, trying to make Garrosh realize the errors of his ways. You may say Garrosh won, but in reality, and due to the laziness of the Devs for not making it in game like this, Thrall proves in front of the Horde why Garrosh is unfit and his ways wrong. But, before Garrosh has time to reflect, the attack on Ogrimmar occurs.
Garrosh can be a great leader, and Thrall knows this. Garrosh is strong, passionate and loyal to his people to a fault, which is an admirable quality. But he needs patience, compassion and humility if he wants to become as great as a leader as Thrall and Cairne. And if Thrall leaves teh Horde before Garrosh can acquire these traits of a great leader, I don't see the Horde fairing any better than the Alliance with Varian. When those two kindred spirits collide, all hell will break lose. Because that is what they are, Varian and Garrosh are soul mates.
Robmac Sep 21st 2009 4:16PM
Garrosh is one of my favorite characters, because he had the guts not only to take on thrall and almost win, which he should had if the Lich king didn't get in the Way, but he also charged in and took on Varin Wynn one on one in the Violet Citadel. Garrosh is badass.
Dreyja Sep 21st 2009 5:09PM
Ugh...