A critical examination of Garrosh Hellscream

Yes, I'm talking about Garrosh Hellscream. Everyone's favorite "Oh I hate that guy" guy. And to be frank from the first time my Tauren Warrior stepped off of his kodo in front of the fire in Garadar I've kind of disliked him. He was whiny, dismissive, and petulant, (yes, I said it twice, you're lucky I didn't just type it 3000 times) and frankly even after I went through one of the longest (in terms of what it had me do, anyway) quest chains in BC to finally, finally get Thrall to come out and slap some sense into the kid (which he did with a kicking lightshow - remember Laser Floyd? Yeah, even Laser Floyd didn't have demon lords) I didn't like the new, reinvigorated Garrosh any more than I liked him before. Granted, I didn't expect to ever see him again.
Then there I was in Orgrimmar and suddenly there's Garrosh, giving Thrall lip. So much lip, in fact, that they actually got into a fight. That wasn't all, though. Garrosh won. Seriously, the wiki downplays it, but I was watching, and if the Lich King didn't choose that moment to attack Org then Garrosh was going to slap Thrall down. I was, to put it mildly, stunned. Garrosh? That incredible prat that I couldn't get to take action in Nagrand when I showed him definite proof of the ogre threat? Beating Thrall? How was it possible that the guy who spent four of my levels weeping into a campfire beat one of the best gladiators on the face of Azeroth? Things only got weirder when I got to Borean Tundra.
When I arrived at Warsong Hold, there was Garrosh standing next to Saurfang and actually being a jerk to him. Now, to be honest up until that point Saurfang was more famous for his infamous facts and some insanely nasty cleaves to Alliance stupid enough to pull him (or Horde who were unfortunate enough to run into him when Allies could MC him) but even before I'd gone through the quests that established Saurfang as not just a badass but also a thinking orc I'd always liked the guy. It's impossible not to like a guy who can non-ironically call himself "That which does quell the recalcitrant" really. Well, okay, maybe it's just me. And yet here's Garrosh, talking smack to possibly the greatest living warrior the orcish race has produced. I was pleasantly surprised that Garrosh remembered what I'd done for him, though: characters who hadn't played through the events of Hero of the Mag'har got a considerably less pleasant greeting from the head of the Warsong Offensive.
Since then I've leveled both Horde and Alliance to 80 and really had time to stop and think about Garrosh and his attitude. And frankly, I think the key is this: Garrosh has spent his entire life being afraid. I'm not talking cowardice, or a fear of combat. No, Garrosh has been afraid of himself. When I first arrived at Garadar, I literally fought Garrosh's own opinion of himself the entire way up and down the zone. Look at the sheer amount of work it took to finally get him to stop being terrified of his legacy. Then Thrall comes out and says "No, no, you've got it all wrong. Your dad saved us. It's okay, it's good even to be a Hellscream."
In one moment Garrosh has a lifetime burden lifted from his shoulders, is told that he should embrace being a Hellscream, and given a chance to join an organization that idolizes Grommash. It becomes apparent by his own words that Garrosh's view of the Horde is an idealized one.

To Garrosh, fear (the very fear that once held him back) is the real enemy. The Horde can fear nothing, because it is what freed him from his fear in the first place. Garrosh embraces the Horde because it was the Horde that helped rid him of his terror of becoming like his father. Now, he seeks absolutely nothing more than to be exactly like his father , to the point where even Saurfang comments on how like Grom he is. What Saurfang sees as a cautionary warning - "You're too reckless and impatient, too eager to risk war without even considering the costs" comes to Garrosh's ears as the highest possible praise. After all, his father is savior of the orcs! His father is a great hero! No longer does Garrosh have to stand by a fire, torn by doubts that his will be the hand that dooms the orcs as his father... no, everything his father did turned out to be the right thing to do. It's good to be a Hellscream and act as a Hellscream acts.
Thrall and Drek'Thar have no one to blame for this but themselves, because when they got to Nagrand and found Garrosh paralyzed by indecision their choice was to remove that indecision by making Grom an idealized hero and completely glossing over Garrosh's very real concerns. The fact is, Garrosh is a young orc with a young orc's tendency to go to extremes, and they completely failed to convey any of the complexities of Grom's life to the young orc. His regret, his understanding that he had been duped, his constant battle with the blood haze, his failures and mistakes, the context that made his last heroic stand against Mannoroth a heroic objective correlative. In slaying Mannoroth, the demon lord, Grommash actually slew his own demons as well, but without the context of his own struggles and the suffering his recklessness caused him, the story loses its cautionary bite and Grom is elevated to a cartoonish idol. And that's exactly who Garrosh is trying to be, the cartoon of Grom that Thrall inadvertently created for him at Garadar.
So now Garrosh is pefectly poised to repeat his father's mistakes, because they've been changed into virtues in his eyes. He must find Thrall paradoxical and frustrating, as the older orc has gone from the one who brought him this new understanding and a new world to belong in to a constant irritant trying to get him to stop behaving like a Hellscream. No wonder the two are at constant loggerheads: Thrall wants Garrosh to be his father, and so does Garrosh, but Thrall wants Grom as he remembers him and Garrosh has no idea who that orc is. This all stems from Thrall's tendency to make demigods of the leaders of the old Horde that he met at the end of their lives, like Doomhammer. The Grom Thrall knew was not the one Garrosh would have known. How could he have been?
It makes me wonder what would have happened if Thrall had sent Saurfang as his emissary. At any rate, however, considering what he's been exposed to Garrosh has managed to become exactly what he believes is expected of him in a very short time. He's gone from a sullen adolescent (I have no idea how old Garrosh actually is, mind you) to a warrior capable of giving Thrall a fight and staring Saurfang in the face without a trace of fear. I'd like very much to see a Saurfang/Garrosh duel... if Garrosh won, it would fuel his already aggressive stance even further. And frankly, it might be a good thing for the Horde overall.
The Horde is, and has always been, at a pivot. Thrall's decision to make heroes of members of the old Horde has in effect meant that his government could never disavow their actions, and as a result, can never find peace with the Alliance who remembers them as blood crazed berserkers who poured into Azeroth through the Dark Portal and made common cause with cannibals and lunatics who explode everything in sight. Now, if the rumors are true, rather than a mystic, the Horde will finally have a leader who will fully embrace the warrior ethos of the old Horde and in so doing, bring it home for everyone involved. Frankly, any movement on this part is forward movement, rather than Thrall's hesitant, half-hearted attempts at detente. Perhaps the war needs to burst into full fire once and for all, and if so, Garrosh could be the best possible leader for the Horde, one who truly believes in his people and their righteousness without ambiguity or doubt.
Ironic that it took Thrall, son of Durotan, to give Garrosh, son of Grommash freedom from his doubt and uncertainty, thus making him what he is today.
I feel bad for Garrosh, because I'm pretty sure Cataclysm will be his high point. From there, he'll have to learn, the way his father did, that bloodlust has costs. It seems a shame that the sins of the father are to be visited upon the son who was the most afraid of them.
Edited to Add: Wow, lot of interesting comments already. And while I don't think I possibly can answer all or even most of them, that doesn't mean I don't see your points, especially the ones about how Garrosh seems ungrateful or unrealistic and about how the Thrall/Garrosh fight can be seen differently than how I saw it. There may be enough in what you're all saying for another look into Garrosh in the future.
Thrall and Drek'Thar have no one to blame for this but themselves, because when they got to Nagrand and found Garrosh paralyzed by indecision their choice was to remove that indecision by making Grom an idealized hero and completely glossing over Garrosh's very real concerns. The fact is, Garrosh is a young orc with a young orc's tendency to go to extremes, and they completely failed to convey any of the complexities of Grom's life to the young orc. His regret, his understanding that he had been duped, his constant battle with the blood haze, his failures and mistakes, the context that made his last heroic stand against Mannoroth a heroic objective correlative. In slaying Mannoroth, the demon lord, Grommash actually slew his own demons as well, but without the context of his own struggles and the suffering his recklessness caused him, the story loses its cautionary bite and Grom is elevated to a cartoonish idol. And that's exactly who Garrosh is trying to be, the cartoon of Grom that Thrall inadvertently created for him at Garadar.
So now Garrosh is pefectly poised to repeat his father's mistakes, because they've been changed into virtues in his eyes. He must find Thrall paradoxical and frustrating, as the older orc has gone from the one who brought him this new understanding and a new world to belong in to a constant irritant trying to get him to stop behaving like a Hellscream. No wonder the two are at constant loggerheads: Thrall wants Garrosh to be his father, and so does Garrosh, but Thrall wants Grom as he remembers him and Garrosh has no idea who that orc is. This all stems from Thrall's tendency to make demigods of the leaders of the old Horde that he met at the end of their lives, like Doomhammer. The Grom Thrall knew was not the one Garrosh would have known. How could he have been?
It makes me wonder what would have happened if Thrall had sent Saurfang as his emissary. At any rate, however, considering what he's been exposed to Garrosh has managed to become exactly what he believes is expected of him in a very short time. He's gone from a sullen adolescent (I have no idea how old Garrosh actually is, mind you) to a warrior capable of giving Thrall a fight and staring Saurfang in the face without a trace of fear. I'd like very much to see a Saurfang/Garrosh duel... if Garrosh won, it would fuel his already aggressive stance even further. And frankly, it might be a good thing for the Horde overall.
The Horde is, and has always been, at a pivot. Thrall's decision to make heroes of members of the old Horde has in effect meant that his government could never disavow their actions, and as a result, can never find peace with the Alliance who remembers them as blood crazed berserkers who poured into Azeroth through the Dark Portal and made common cause with cannibals and lunatics who explode everything in sight. Now, if the rumors are true, rather than a mystic, the Horde will finally have a leader who will fully embrace the warrior ethos of the old Horde and in so doing, bring it home for everyone involved. Frankly, any movement on this part is forward movement, rather than Thrall's hesitant, half-hearted attempts at detente. Perhaps the war needs to burst into full fire once and for all, and if so, Garrosh could be the best possible leader for the Horde, one who truly believes in his people and their righteousness without ambiguity or doubt.
Ironic that it took Thrall, son of Durotan, to give Garrosh, son of Grommash freedom from his doubt and uncertainty, thus making him what he is today.
I feel bad for Garrosh, because I'm pretty sure Cataclysm will be his high point. From there, he'll have to learn, the way his father did, that bloodlust has costs. It seems a shame that the sins of the father are to be visited upon the son who was the most afraid of them.
Edited to Add: Wow, lot of interesting comments already. And while I don't think I possibly can answer all or even most of them, that doesn't mean I don't see your points, especially the ones about how Garrosh seems ungrateful or unrealistic and about how the Thrall/Garrosh fight can be seen differently than how I saw it. There may be enough in what you're all saying for another look into Garrosh in the future.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 13)
thebl4ckd0g Sep 21st 2009 4:25PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Garrosh sacrificing himself for the Horde in Icecrown rather than him becoming the leader of the Horde. He has got to prove himself to be more than a figurehead than standing around in the Northrend starting zone belittling a greater warrior such as Saurfang.
Kai Monture Sep 21st 2009 4:27PM
At the time they dueled Arms Warriors were OP, but Warriors usually pwn Elemental Shamans anyways. Thrall has Doomhammer's armor and weapon which are Legendary items, but like others pointed out, he didn't put up any totems or buffs.
Lightsource Sep 21st 2009 4:28PM
Good Article. While i dislike Garrosh, i feel that his growth as a character will be a pivotal part of Cataclysm. I look forward to his eventual coming to terms with his own bloodlust tho. Hopefully he wont have to die like Grom straight afterwards tho.
zenotds Sep 21st 2009 4:30PM
u kidding? he's probably the coolest orc of the whole horde!
go go garrosh! wipe that alliance scum!
Bikhai Sep 21st 2009 4:30PM
@Batleth
It's not only alliance that dislike him.
Garrosh has not grown on me in the least. Thrall's indecision and half-hearted attempts at detente have come about as a result of Garrosh being a petulant little jackass. Showing any major conflict within the Horde by beating Garrosh down (at least in front of the Alliance, where most of Garrosh's antics have been paraded) would also show weakness in the Horde, and my gugess is that after the incidents at the Wrathgate, Wrynn and the Alliance would be eager to seize opportunity if that weakness in leadership were shown. Thrall's role lately has been one of a diplomat -- trying to maintain peace in strained times. Garrosh is undermining everything he's trying to do, and Thrall just can't react to it.
And if the rumors about Horde-side Cataclysm lore are true, then Garrosh is not going to lead the Horde to glory -- rather, he's going to rip it apart with his own lust for war.
The Horde on the whole is not a bloodthirsty bunch of mongrels anymore, despite what I've read in comments and articles around this site. The problem with Garrosh is the same as it is with Wrynn. There's only one side to the story -- things are seen in black and white. That's where Thrall excels, it's where Saurfang excels, and it's where Jaina excels. There are gray areas, and these three acknowledge that they are pretty substantial. If seeing issues from both sides is seen as being indecisive and inactive, then I guess I'm just an inactive person.
In my estimation, following a path of extremes behind Garrosh would not only undo everything Thrall has done as Warchief to maintain peace with the Alliance, but it would undo the sometimes shaky alliance between the races of the Horde. Kinda worried about life with Garrosh.
Grendalsh Sep 21st 2009 4:30PM
King Varian is a jerk. He joined our Onyxia raid, then refused to summons so we all had to wait for him to travel by land. He wouldn't even fly to Mudsprocket first, he had to take the roads from Theremore.
Then when he gets to Ony's place, he charges in early. We barely got to Ony as he started the fight. I mean, he may have had some personal beef with her, but endangering the raid? We barely got buffs on in time.
Then, he frigging ninja'd her head and hearthed back to Stormwind. By the time we got back, he was all claiming how HE'd killed the dragon and so nobody else could do the encounter anymore. Glory hog.
PodPeople Sep 21st 2009 5:13PM
HeHe... I think it's time for you to rename the Ship, at least drop the HMS.
grensalsh Sep 22nd 2009 11:06PM
HMS is short for His/Her Majesty's Ship. The question, however, is which Majesty? King Varian's got nothing doing with the navy; that's all Admiral Proudmoore's doing. (My understanding of the Lore is that Proudmoore was a king, but preferred the title of Admiral.)
Technically speaking, unless there's another heir to the Kirin Tor (Proudmoore's lands IIRC), Lady Jaina Proudmoore would be the current monarch of the Kirin Tor, making us crew of HER Majesty's Ship.
Light Save the Queen!
Dewey Sep 21st 2009 4:31PM
Garrosh did not win the duel with Thrall. If the in-game results were too murky for you, read the WoW comic from DC, which recently showed the duel, including Thrall zapping Garrosh away like the nuisance he is when the Scourge attacked.
You say he's "out there doing things," but so far all he's done is lose Garrosh's Landing, appoint a bunch of maniacs to run various Horde camps (people so bad Saurfang has you secretly following more intelligent orders on the side) and tried to kill Varian in the middle of an important meeting. Not a very good track record.
nonentity Sep 21st 2009 4:41PM
^ This.
Also, in the comic you see, Thrall knowlingly initiated the fight against Garrosh by taunting him.
Thrall is anything but stupid, and he has a lifetime of fighting experience and is the greatest living shaman (according to Metzen or Ghostcrawler in one of the post-Blizzcon-09 interviews). He knows his power and his limits and if he deliberately started the fight he KNEW he would win.
Garrosh has been living in peace most of his life, at the time of the Second War or/and afterwards he was down with the Red Pox in Garadar, which was then a village for the sick and possibly dying.
After that he was whiny and emo in Garadar, doing nothing but blaming himself and his father, whatever.
Suddenly he pops up and "defeats" Thrall? I don't think so Tim.
jbodar Sep 21st 2009 7:40PM
Garrosh has always seemed like a Blizzard-sanctioned "Mary-Sue", to me anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
Seraphna Sep 22nd 2009 9:05AM
@jbodar
And Thrall isn't?
jbodar Sep 23rd 2009 11:56PM
@Seraphna
Good point. I just think it's worse with Garrosh, since he just shows up one day, the son of a great lore figure (classic Mary-Sue sign), and all of a sudden he's calling shots and treating Saurfang like he's a bitch?
This will not do.
nonentity Sep 21st 2009 4:36PM
Your arguments have been noted, but I still think he's an idiot, the biggest catastrophe the Horde has faced since the times of the Old Horde.
He may be an idiot for a reason, but he's still an idiot.
I'm die hard Horde, but the New Horde, a follower of Thrall.
Also, I don't hink Thrall would have lost in that match against Garrosh. He was just about to stop holding back and opening a can of whoop-ass on Garrosh when the Lich King attacked.
Also, his ability to face Saurfang without fear is born out of stupidity and overconfidence, not something to be proud of. Saurfang is one of the, if not THE, biggest living warrior of the Orcs and he agrees with Thrall. That right there curb Garrosh's lust for battle.
I actually pray that Garrosh is stupid enough to attack Saurfang, Saurfang would kick his ass back into whiny oblivion.
The Hammer Sep 21st 2009 4:37PM
I'm not sure how Garrosh becoming even more aggressive could possibly be good for the Horde overall? An all-out war with the Alliance would probably cost tens of thousands of lives. Now, despite in-game appearances, the orcs are not in abundance. 8 years has probably provided something of a baby boom, but the emphasis is on baby. Whilst not exactly critically endangered in terms of extinction, a war like that could certainly make it happen.
That, and this "righteousness" that he believes his people to have is also contrasted with the "inferiority" that he believes anyone who opposes the Horde has. Which in both a practical and idealogical sense is just rubbish. He believed that taking out Valiance Keep, and Valgarde, would be beneficial. There are so many reasons why it wouldn't be, and so many reasons why a planned attack might fail anyway. Another reason why he'd be hopeless as a leader.
And this examination is mostly to do with the inner-narrative of the game, and not the outside influences. Not the character's design. As far as I know, a lot of Horde players signed up to the Horde because they liked the Horde presented to them in Warcraft 3, Forsaken included in this. They didn't sign up to the Horde because they liked the opposing factions in, say, Warcraft: Orcs and Humans. They liked Thrall as a leader. They liked Cairne. Vol'jin. Sylvanas. They liked them, and they continued to like them throughout playing WOW. And then Wrath comes along and suddenly Garrosh becomes a major player, and apparently far more important than any of them, with the exception of Thrall. Yes, new characters are great, but not when they are so obviously there to make more estbalished, well-loved characters look a bit naff in comparison. Consider Thrall's complete lack of conviction during Wrath. It's my guess that Blizzard just find his war-weary, benevolent nature to be too obstructing to the PVP side of the game. They're possibly right. Possibly, what the game needs, is more focus on the Horde versus Alliance. But that doesn't mean the narrative isn't going to suffer because of it. And I think that's when a game-design decision (you could say a marketing one too. Look at how Varian appeared first in the comics, and then in-game) negatively impacts on the storyline. Blizzard's motto has always been "Gameplay first", and so this is understandable.
But still. What this examination fails to mention is this character assassination of Thrall. THE Horde hero. Probably the most popular. But through the introduction of both Varian and Garrosh, he is devalued. Not because they were cooler than him, but because he has been dragged to the dogs, with no real adequate explanation as to why this is so. Doesn't want to upset Hellscream's boy? Feels guilt? Great, he doesn't have to dispense violent justice. But not to give him a good talking to? A raging whirlwind of words and rhetoric? Is this the same Thrall who took the orcs out of slavery? He was fair and just whilst still being imposing at the end of Lord of the Clans, and further successes (especially at Hyjal) could have only enlivened this sense of conviction. But no.
Garrosh, since he was introduced in TBC, has not had time to grow in the hearts of Horde players. What he has had time to do, was to be a cheeky upstart to both Thrall and Saurfang (and to be honest, Saurfang's retorts to him in Warsong Hold are godly. Really good stuff, and proof that an orc can be good-natured, yet still brooding, conflicted, and aggressive). We've been with Thrall, through the lore, since his birth. Since his gladiator fights. Since Warcraft 3. Since, almost, Warcraft Adventures. Like Sergra Darkthorn, Cairne Bloodhoof, Gyran Stoutmantle, and Rexxar, he's become a staple of the game. We've seen his inner-conflicts, and he's triumphed over them. Yes, Garrosh's own misgivings might be hidden away. They might be theorised about rather than shown. But we can only ever suppose with Garrosh. What we SEE is a despondent Mag'har, pure of blood, suddenly gain an almighty chip on his shoulder, and rage at everything and everyone. Stepping away from the narrative's politics, and whether a character is likeable or not, Garrosh's inclusion in the lore is really rather shoehorned.
tim Sep 21st 2009 6:44PM
wow dude. well said.
Dreyja Sep 21st 2009 6:31PM
/clap
Sithril Sep 21st 2009 7:40PM
/clap
Wonderfully written .
I agree on the part with just how Garrosh has been put into the story going . While such a character could have been incorporated way ,way better .
Daranador Sep 21st 2009 7:47PM
Kudos. This is exactly how I feel. Give the New Horde some love, Blizzard.
devilsei Sep 21st 2009 9:21PM
Amazingly written Hammer.
Thrall has had little chances to show why he is such a good character. He's been caught between a crazed human king high on power, and a crazed orc parading the very image Thrall has been trying to fix, between two double-edged swords I'd say. Its impossible for him to raise the image of the New Horde in the eyes of the Alliance because Variann refuses to accept that the Orcs have changed. And Garrosh parades about like a peacock in front of the alliance (namely Variann) and only furthers the blood-crazed stereotype that Garrosh has come to embody, and even attacks Thrall openly.
Either way Thrall has been pushed down, with no way to really react. I can't blame him for being so indecisive.
The sad thing is, really, that the New Horde is personified by the older members, Saurfang and Cairne to easily name a couple. As such, its only really a matter of time until they die, and leave the horde in the hands of the orcs who rally themselves behind the notion of the old ways. If thrall really is leaving the Orcs in the hands of Garrosh, and if Garrosh really does have Cairne executed... it spells nothing but doom for the Horde. It will leave only Saurfang to try and reign in the wild temper of Garrosh.
Worst yet, I could see Deathwing abusing this very fact rather easily. Dragons can take the form of humans, as we've already seen, and are more than capable of infiltrating the major political structures, as seen with Onyxia. For all we know, Deathwing's agents may snake their way into the political structures of the Alliance and Horde, to further the idea of all out war.