A critical examination of Garrosh Hellscream

Yes, I'm talking about Garrosh Hellscream. Everyone's favorite "Oh I hate that guy" guy. And to be frank from the first time my Tauren Warrior stepped off of his kodo in front of the fire in Garadar I've kind of disliked him. He was whiny, dismissive, and petulant, (yes, I said it twice, you're lucky I didn't just type it 3000 times) and frankly even after I went through one of the longest (in terms of what it had me do, anyway) quest chains in BC to finally, finally get Thrall to come out and slap some sense into the kid (which he did with a kicking lightshow - remember Laser Floyd? Yeah, even Laser Floyd didn't have demon lords) I didn't like the new, reinvigorated Garrosh any more than I liked him before. Granted, I didn't expect to ever see him again.
Then there I was in Orgrimmar and suddenly there's Garrosh, giving Thrall lip. So much lip, in fact, that they actually got into a fight. That wasn't all, though. Garrosh won. Seriously, the wiki downplays it, but I was watching, and if the Lich King didn't choose that moment to attack Org then Garrosh was going to slap Thrall down. I was, to put it mildly, stunned. Garrosh? That incredible prat that I couldn't get to take action in Nagrand when I showed him definite proof of the ogre threat? Beating Thrall? How was it possible that the guy who spent four of my levels weeping into a campfire beat one of the best gladiators on the face of Azeroth? Things only got weirder when I got to Borean Tundra.
When I arrived at Warsong Hold, there was Garrosh standing next to Saurfang and actually being a jerk to him. Now, to be honest up until that point Saurfang was more famous for his infamous facts and some insanely nasty cleaves to Alliance stupid enough to pull him (or Horde who were unfortunate enough to run into him when Allies could MC him) but even before I'd gone through the quests that established Saurfang as not just a badass but also a thinking orc I'd always liked the guy. It's impossible not to like a guy who can non-ironically call himself "That which does quell the recalcitrant" really. Well, okay, maybe it's just me. And yet here's Garrosh, talking smack to possibly the greatest living warrior the orcish race has produced. I was pleasantly surprised that Garrosh remembered what I'd done for him, though: characters who hadn't played through the events of Hero of the Mag'har got a considerably less pleasant greeting from the head of the Warsong Offensive.
Since then I've leveled both Horde and Alliance to 80 and really had time to stop and think about Garrosh and his attitude. And frankly, I think the key is this: Garrosh has spent his entire life being afraid. I'm not talking cowardice, or a fear of combat. No, Garrosh has been afraid of himself. When I first arrived at Garadar, I literally fought Garrosh's own opinion of himself the entire way up and down the zone. Look at the sheer amount of work it took to finally get him to stop being terrified of his legacy. Then Thrall comes out and says "No, no, you've got it all wrong. Your dad saved us. It's okay, it's good even to be a Hellscream."
In one moment Garrosh has a lifetime burden lifted from his shoulders, is told that he should embrace being a Hellscream, and given a chance to join an organization that idolizes Grommash. It becomes apparent by his own words that Garrosh's view of the Horde is an idealized one.

To Garrosh, fear (the very fear that once held him back) is the real enemy. The Horde can fear nothing, because it is what freed him from his fear in the first place. Garrosh embraces the Horde because it was the Horde that helped rid him of his terror of becoming like his father. Now, he seeks absolutely nothing more than to be exactly like his father , to the point where even Saurfang comments on how like Grom he is. What Saurfang sees as a cautionary warning - "You're too reckless and impatient, too eager to risk war without even considering the costs" comes to Garrosh's ears as the highest possible praise. After all, his father is savior of the orcs! His father is a great hero! No longer does Garrosh have to stand by a fire, torn by doubts that his will be the hand that dooms the orcs as his father... no, everything his father did turned out to be the right thing to do. It's good to be a Hellscream and act as a Hellscream acts.
Thrall and Drek'Thar have no one to blame for this but themselves, because when they got to Nagrand and found Garrosh paralyzed by indecision their choice was to remove that indecision by making Grom an idealized hero and completely glossing over Garrosh's very real concerns. The fact is, Garrosh is a young orc with a young orc's tendency to go to extremes, and they completely failed to convey any of the complexities of Grom's life to the young orc. His regret, his understanding that he had been duped, his constant battle with the blood haze, his failures and mistakes, the context that made his last heroic stand against Mannoroth a heroic objective correlative. In slaying Mannoroth, the demon lord, Grommash actually slew his own demons as well, but without the context of his own struggles and the suffering his recklessness caused him, the story loses its cautionary bite and Grom is elevated to a cartoonish idol. And that's exactly who Garrosh is trying to be, the cartoon of Grom that Thrall inadvertently created for him at Garadar.
So now Garrosh is pefectly poised to repeat his father's mistakes, because they've been changed into virtues in his eyes. He must find Thrall paradoxical and frustrating, as the older orc has gone from the one who brought him this new understanding and a new world to belong in to a constant irritant trying to get him to stop behaving like a Hellscream. No wonder the two are at constant loggerheads: Thrall wants Garrosh to be his father, and so does Garrosh, but Thrall wants Grom as he remembers him and Garrosh has no idea who that orc is. This all stems from Thrall's tendency to make demigods of the leaders of the old Horde that he met at the end of their lives, like Doomhammer. The Grom Thrall knew was not the one Garrosh would have known. How could he have been?
It makes me wonder what would have happened if Thrall had sent Saurfang as his emissary. At any rate, however, considering what he's been exposed to Garrosh has managed to become exactly what he believes is expected of him in a very short time. He's gone from a sullen adolescent (I have no idea how old Garrosh actually is, mind you) to a warrior capable of giving Thrall a fight and staring Saurfang in the face without a trace of fear. I'd like very much to see a Saurfang/Garrosh duel... if Garrosh won, it would fuel his already aggressive stance even further. And frankly, it might be a good thing for the Horde overall.
The Horde is, and has always been, at a pivot. Thrall's decision to make heroes of members of the old Horde has in effect meant that his government could never disavow their actions, and as a result, can never find peace with the Alliance who remembers them as blood crazed berserkers who poured into Azeroth through the Dark Portal and made common cause with cannibals and lunatics who explode everything in sight. Now, if the rumors are true, rather than a mystic, the Horde will finally have a leader who will fully embrace the warrior ethos of the old Horde and in so doing, bring it home for everyone involved. Frankly, any movement on this part is forward movement, rather than Thrall's hesitant, half-hearted attempts at detente. Perhaps the war needs to burst into full fire once and for all, and if so, Garrosh could be the best possible leader for the Horde, one who truly believes in his people and their righteousness without ambiguity or doubt.
Ironic that it took Thrall, son of Durotan, to give Garrosh, son of Grommash freedom from his doubt and uncertainty, thus making him what he is today.
I feel bad for Garrosh, because I'm pretty sure Cataclysm will be his high point. From there, he'll have to learn, the way his father did, that bloodlust has costs. It seems a shame that the sins of the father are to be visited upon the son who was the most afraid of them.
Edited to Add: Wow, lot of interesting comments already. And while I don't think I possibly can answer all or even most of them, that doesn't mean I don't see your points, especially the ones about how Garrosh seems ungrateful or unrealistic and about how the Thrall/Garrosh fight can be seen differently than how I saw it. There may be enough in what you're all saying for another look into Garrosh in the future.
Thrall and Drek'Thar have no one to blame for this but themselves, because when they got to Nagrand and found Garrosh paralyzed by indecision their choice was to remove that indecision by making Grom an idealized hero and completely glossing over Garrosh's very real concerns. The fact is, Garrosh is a young orc with a young orc's tendency to go to extremes, and they completely failed to convey any of the complexities of Grom's life to the young orc. His regret, his understanding that he had been duped, his constant battle with the blood haze, his failures and mistakes, the context that made his last heroic stand against Mannoroth a heroic objective correlative. In slaying Mannoroth, the demon lord, Grommash actually slew his own demons as well, but without the context of his own struggles and the suffering his recklessness caused him, the story loses its cautionary bite and Grom is elevated to a cartoonish idol. And that's exactly who Garrosh is trying to be, the cartoon of Grom that Thrall inadvertently created for him at Garadar.
So now Garrosh is pefectly poised to repeat his father's mistakes, because they've been changed into virtues in his eyes. He must find Thrall paradoxical and frustrating, as the older orc has gone from the one who brought him this new understanding and a new world to belong in to a constant irritant trying to get him to stop behaving like a Hellscream. No wonder the two are at constant loggerheads: Thrall wants Garrosh to be his father, and so does Garrosh, but Thrall wants Grom as he remembers him and Garrosh has no idea who that orc is. This all stems from Thrall's tendency to make demigods of the leaders of the old Horde that he met at the end of their lives, like Doomhammer. The Grom Thrall knew was not the one Garrosh would have known. How could he have been?
It makes me wonder what would have happened if Thrall had sent Saurfang as his emissary. At any rate, however, considering what he's been exposed to Garrosh has managed to become exactly what he believes is expected of him in a very short time. He's gone from a sullen adolescent (I have no idea how old Garrosh actually is, mind you) to a warrior capable of giving Thrall a fight and staring Saurfang in the face without a trace of fear. I'd like very much to see a Saurfang/Garrosh duel... if Garrosh won, it would fuel his already aggressive stance even further. And frankly, it might be a good thing for the Horde overall.
The Horde is, and has always been, at a pivot. Thrall's decision to make heroes of members of the old Horde has in effect meant that his government could never disavow their actions, and as a result, can never find peace with the Alliance who remembers them as blood crazed berserkers who poured into Azeroth through the Dark Portal and made common cause with cannibals and lunatics who explode everything in sight. Now, if the rumors are true, rather than a mystic, the Horde will finally have a leader who will fully embrace the warrior ethos of the old Horde and in so doing, bring it home for everyone involved. Frankly, any movement on this part is forward movement, rather than Thrall's hesitant, half-hearted attempts at detente. Perhaps the war needs to burst into full fire once and for all, and if so, Garrosh could be the best possible leader for the Horde, one who truly believes in his people and their righteousness without ambiguity or doubt.
Ironic that it took Thrall, son of Durotan, to give Garrosh, son of Grommash freedom from his doubt and uncertainty, thus making him what he is today.
I feel bad for Garrosh, because I'm pretty sure Cataclysm will be his high point. From there, he'll have to learn, the way his father did, that bloodlust has costs. It seems a shame that the sins of the father are to be visited upon the son who was the most afraid of them.
Edited to Add: Wow, lot of interesting comments already. And while I don't think I possibly can answer all or even most of them, that doesn't mean I don't see your points, especially the ones about how Garrosh seems ungrateful or unrealistic and about how the Thrall/Garrosh fight can be seen differently than how I saw it. There may be enough in what you're all saying for another look into Garrosh in the future.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 13)
Gingerninja Sep 21st 2009 4:39PM
Am I the only one who will be happy to see Garrosh take over.. if nothing but for PvP reasons? Wrynn hates the horde, Garrosh hates the ally, 5 years of WoW and this whole WAR thing hasn't materialised, so hopefully this will give world pvp or something the kick in the backside it needs.
alpha5099 Sep 21st 2009 4:39PM
Fantastic article. Brilliantly written, and with some impressive insight into a character that I had always feared was one-dimensional. I suddenly want to see more Garrosh.
Cowy Sep 21st 2009 4:40PM
I love articles like this. Anything that peeks past the curtain, digs under the crust and into the lore-heart of wow.
I want to know... How old is Garrosh?
I really don't have a clue. We all know he's young, but what does that mean in Orc society.
At what point is an Orc considered "mature", and is Garrosh there yet? His weird moodiness, and hot-headed nature seem to reflect a teenager at times. It really must be hard to grow up orc: Blood, thunder, girls and emo.
Anyway, I'd assume he's "old enough" since he's in a position of power... but then again, theres a 12 year old running stormwind, the idea of Garrosh being a tad young for his position isn't so outlandish I guess?
snowleopard233 Sep 21st 2009 4:42PM
Good points, but I still feel he’s a very two-dimensional and immature character. True, he’s overcome a lot of fear in his life, but he’s also pulled a complete 1080 in personality hat comes off as neither convincing or mature to the average wow player. You’d think someone who spent all his life examining his lineage would be more skeptical, instead all he needs is a laser light show and he suddenly believes all those doubts he had about his father were completely unfounded. In addition to that, he doesn’t even respect the people who showed him who he was.
It’s for these reasons that he seems ungrateful, erratic, and downright immature to the wow community at large. He goes straight from moping around to breaking tables and stuff, without any development or transformation in between. You’re right. It is surprising to see that cry baby stand up to Saurfang, but not in a believable or relatable way. It just comes off as ridiculous. Maybe it would’ve been better if they gave Garrosh more time to develop, show us some reasoning behind his change rather than forcing us to rely on our own speculation. As of now, he seems like a one-dimensional tool for inciting war rather than a leader anyone would enthusiastically get behind.
mibluvr13 Sep 21st 2009 4:43PM
Like I think the majority of the Horde who care about lore feel, I used to strongly dislike Garrosh and how he was portraying the Horde to others. He was the epitome of the cliche barbarian that the Alliance (and WoW's marketing team) like to characterize the Horde as. He is, basically, everything that Thrall isn't. Because Thrall is an exceptional leader (in my opinion), it's very easy to assume that Garrosh is not.
However, I can see where this plot line is going. Thrall is a diplomat. Thrall was the sole civilizing force that managed to bring the Horde out of the internment camps and into an era of growth and prosperity. However, Thrall is not what the Horde needs right now. We need a strong, bloodthirsty warchief, especially as we transition into... well, cataclysmic events of Cataclysm. Garrosh is headstrong, Garrosh is imperialistic, Garrosh has bloodlust in his veins (and not from the demonic taint, mind you). Garrosh is going to be the one to bring the Horde into its rightful place over the Alliance and not on the equal footing that Thrall has worked towards.
Lok'tar ogar!
Sammalamma Sep 21st 2009 4:44PM
These are very valid points, and it makes me sympathize with the kid a little- but at the same time he's just that, a kid. I don't 'like' Thrall, but I sure as hell respect him, and I certainly understand that he's an excellent leader. Thrall understands that the Old Horde died because of its disorganization and cultural isolation. No one can feel sympathetic for the Old Horde because of its wild, demonic nature and fiendish warrior-culture. Now, the Horde actually has a chance because Thrall is taking on Alliance-like organization skills desperately needed for the Horde's survival.
If Garrosh becomes the new Warchief, the Horde may gain some new ground, but in the long run it will be screwed. Its in the Horde's best interest to keep Thrall, no matter how idle he seems at the moment.
Kiken Sep 21st 2009 4:52PM
This gets incredibly annoying...everyone suggests that Garrosh easily won that fight...and I kinda get it. I was there too, I watched the fight but if you look at the extended lore, for example the comic...they paint a VERY different picture of that fight. One where Garrosh is lucky that Thrall didn't snap his neck like a twig.
Thrall even mentions to Jaina after the summit at Theramoore that he may have to kill Garrosh if this attitude continues. Just because he's Hellscreams brat doesn't mean he's some all powerful warrior.
bob Sep 21st 2009 4:55PM
This is a huge problem I have with extend sources of lore. If something is supposed to be such a huge part of the story for the GAME then it should appear in the GAME. Just like Varian's story should have been a continuation of the missing diplomat quest chain but is instead it is in a comic book. That fight could have huge implications for the future of the Horde and most people have no idea how it really went down.
Dewey Sep 21st 2009 5:05PM
@bob
But an MMO doesn't really allow for big dramatic moments unless it's in a cinematic like the Wrathgate. The last dramatic moment for Varian or Garrosh was in the trailer for patch 3.1, of all places. I don't think name recognition is the only reason all expansion villains have been from previous games. Developing a new villain into a true threat in the confines of WoW would be almost impossible. I think it's fine that they give you the bare bones of the story in the game and flesh it out elsewhere.
catharsis80 Sep 21st 2009 4:45PM
Really good article. However, I still dislike him. Also, I can't help but notice that most people that like him seem to have the caveman-ish mentality of "Garrosh cool 'cause he smash stuff better!" This is exactly why I don't like him. Thrall tries to elevate the Horde ABOVE this animal behavior. True, he may not do a good job all the time, but I wouldn't expect perfect results very quickly. It's only been a handful of years since War3, and I see Garrosh as a threat that might knock down everything that Thrall has tried to do.
Titusx Sep 21st 2009 4:46PM
Yeah... I dont think Garrosh will understand that. Besides, Varian will have hes head on a stick before he gets to wage war on the Alliance. Still, I think its a good point that Garrosh should be the leader of the horde. Let them stop pretending to be something they arent.
The horde is a rotten bunch. Savage blood thirsty orcs, cannibal trolls, blood elf junkies and the undead who... need to further explanation. Tauren is the only "good" race among their ranks and thats because Thrall had to good judgement to aid them. If Garrosh had been around when that took place there would me a Minotaur race instead of Tauren.
Thrall is a neat character being all shamanistic and all... but the horde is not a nice group. They are about death, war and blood... Garrosh is better for them because you should never try to be something you're not.
Cabbageloins Sep 21st 2009 4:57PM
Varian McWeaksauce is a whiny d-bag, and has absolutely no chance. While I don't like Garrosh at all, it's because he shares Varian's ignorant, fascist, we-are-better-than-everyone rhetoric. They should both die in a fire made of snakes. Saurfang for warchief! Lok'tar Ogar!
MightyBurebista Sep 22nd 2009 12:49PM
@Cabbageloins
...and what you mentioned is precisely why we like Varian. Because he's an ass-kicking warmonger who pisses off sissy liberals like you. If it were up to these peace-loving college types, this game would be turned into PillowFightCraft, not WARcraft :D
Heil Wrynn!
catharsis80 Sep 21st 2009 4:48PM
However, I DO appreciate this article in bringing out things I didn't know about him, which helps to understand him better. I do sympathize somewhat with him now. However, the overarching picture I stated above still takes precedence over any sympathies I would have for Garrosh.
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Dreyja Sep 21st 2009 4:48PM
OK. I've not read through all the comments yet, but I will. I still hate him, possibly I hate him more.
On the whole, "he beat Thrall thing," I don't think he really won. This is how I picture the next time he and Thrall go toe-to-toe:
Garrosh: Blah, blah, kill, myer, ME KILL!! BLARGH!
Thrall: "Sigh, Garrosh, last time I went easy on you out of respect for your father. This won't happen again because, clearly boy - YOU ARE A BASTARD."
Thrall takes out Garrosh in one hit.
Horde and Alliance have a big party. :)
Kanap Sep 21st 2009 6:00PM
Horde shall never party with the Alliance we are too proud......well most of us are.
bob Sep 21st 2009 4:53PM
"So now Garrosh is pefectly poised to repeat his father's mistakes, because they've been changed into virtues in his eyes."
All you really need to know right here. Blizzard loves to take a character and make them crazy/corrupt them. Had he gotten even slightly nuanced guidance about his father's life, instead of a one sided pep talk he might have turned out alright.
As is, I wouldn't give it two expansions before Garrosh is on the wrong end of a raid.
catharsis80 Sep 21st 2009 5:00PM
/agree
Blizzard's lore writers are definitely on the darker side of things. They love corruption. For example: The most well-done cinematic sequence in WoW so far in my opinion is the intro to WotLK. But what is it? It's a glorifying of Arthas's corruption and twisting his GOOD father's words. And you leave the video thinking, "That was AWESOME." But it is not awesome. It's actually horrible. Very rarely do they have the opposite happen.
Having Garrosh as the Horde leader and Varian as the Alliance leader is only fitting for Blizzard. It makes sense considering what they usually want to do, and it make sense for their profit from WoW. What better way to have WAR continue in WARcraft than to have those two WARmongers lead both factions?
Dreyja Sep 21st 2009 5:03PM
I hope so!
bob Sep 22nd 2009 8:05AM
I could see Garrosh turning to the Legion for help to defeat Deathwing, then getting beat down by Thrall, the new Guardian.