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9-21-2009 @ 4:15PM
I'm an Alliance player, and I dislike Garrosh just as much (ignoring the fact that we've been saddled with Wrynn, aka Mini-Garrosh). Despite being Alliance, I have a respect for Thrall. It's hard NOT to respect him, and then for Garrosh to kick him around like that?I can't wait for Catacylsm when Garrosh becomes the leader of the Horde and I'm invited to put my Size-10 Space Goat Hoof in his ass. :D
9-21-2009 @ 5:08PM
Yep, can't wait. I'll actually get in on the city raids, since Cairne, the other admirable horde leader appears to be going away as well. Hopefully, whatever the get Thrall up to I'll be able to help him out because he's always worded away at doing the right thing. That's all I want to do.
9-21-2009 @ 5:25PM
Agreed. Thrall is a bad-ass mofo. And so was Wrynn at some point. but now he's a human version of Garrosh. Garrosh's racism and Wrynn's xenophobia/racism are ridiculous and are pretty much the source of a lot of the horde/alliance tension, imo. Although I think Blood Elves are a good source of it too, because I think even the rest of the horde would gank the hell out of any BE they see if thye could.
9-21-2009 @ 5:29PM
9-21-2009 @ 8:09PM
I really am not a huge fan of Thrall. He venerates those who perpetrated the greatest violence against peaceful Azerothians, and yet he lacks the will to keep his people (like Garrosh) in line. He tries to leverage the clout of the monsters that led the Old Horde, and yet he fails to actually use his own strength to prevent the atrocities of the New Horde (of which he theoretically disapproves). Either he is a machiavellian schemer or a spineless and confused hero-worshiper.I'd much rather see Saurfang as the leader of the Horde. As much as I am a fan of Varian (and sure to be a fan of Greymane, by all indications), Saurfang is nearly the perfect leader. He has demonstrated actual regret for his actions and the actions of his people, and yet he does not succumb to inaction. He seems wise, powerful, and experienced, moreso than Thrall and Garrosh combined. If the anti-Varian crowd actually expects the leader of the Alliance and witness to the atrocities of the New Horde to make yet another attempt at diplomacy, they should work to oust those (Thrall and Garrosh) that have ruined all of Wrynn's previous attempts at peace.
9-22-2009 @ 5:25AM
@ TerethallMaybe it's just me, but I find it rather amusing that so many people point out that "Thrall can't keep the Horde in check" when the Alliance leaders are the same exact way if not worse. Face it, there are more "End Game Bosses" that are former members of the Alliance than the Horde. The Horde might have more "grunts" goofing off, but the Alliance has bred most of the real threats to Azeroth, at the very least they've been involved in their creation. If a few skirmishes can be claimed as a sign of "Horde Can't keep their people in control" then the fact that the Alliance let loose some of the greatest villians in the lore surely says more. Frankly, the Draenei are to blame for the Orcs manipulation. If they had never ran then the Legion never would never have had the interaction/corruption with the Orcs and the wars wouldn't have happened. We can't leave out the humans though, Medivh opened up a nice little passage to Azeroth in the first place...Lets not forget about the whole fact Sylvanas is a result of Arthas... Or the fact that the Blood Elves we're betrayed... Long story short, the Alliance only have theirselves to blame for the most part and surely can be held accountable for such atrocities if the Horde is considered liable for a group of Forsaken going rogue. I will agree though, Saurfang is the best choice if this were real politics but Garrosh is absolutely the best choice when it comes to making the Factions actually go after each other again. I swear, after TBC and the majority of Wrath I'm suprised my Troll isn't at least Friendly if not Honored with Stormwind after all the "Let's work together!" crap.
9-22-2009 @ 10:12AM
@TerethalVarian's attempts at peace? Jaina has been the one trying to get Varian to come to some understanding with Thrall, but it's been Varian's xenophobic/racism attitude that ruined the one and only time. Now, to be fair to that jerk, Varian has not had the best of life... to a point where I think he is just plain insane from everything that has happened to him. But don't go justifying that jerk as the one trying to bring peace, when all he ever wanted was to erase the Orcs from the face of Azeroth, only now he wishes to wipe the Horde. If Jaina was the one running the Alliance, things might just be different, with perhaps Stormwind fighting alone the Horde.And I have to agree, the comic had a better interpretation of the fight. There was actually dialogue, the in-game event was a joke, to say the least. I am not saying Thrall whooped Garrosh, because in the end I think Garrosh would lose, but I am saying there was more to that fight than the developers did. Thrall was waging a fight on two fronts, physical which he was on par with Garrosh, and mental, where he was lecturing Garrosh the entire fight. BUT, this fight depends on your point of view. If anyone has seen TMNT, there is a fight that is exactly like Garrosh and Thrall fight, even ends more or less the same. During the fight Leo was lecturing Raph on his attitude, anger, impatience, all the things that Garrosh suffers, but in the end Raph over powered Leo and pinned him to the ground, much like Garrosh overpowers Thrall in game, but the thing is, Raph reflects on what happened and realized how weak and how stupid he was, he realized he did not win that fight with Leo, and proved everything Leo was lecturing him about. Even though he overpowered Leo, he lost. The significance of the comic is just that, it illustrates the fight between Garrosh and Thrall much better, because Thrall was lecturing the entire fight, trying to make Garrosh realize the errors of his ways. You may say Garrosh won, but in reality, and due to the laziness of the Devs for not making it in game like this, Thrall proves in front of the Horde why Garrosh is unfit and his ways wrong. But, before Garrosh has time to reflect, the attack on Ogrimmar occurs.Garrosh can be a great leader, and Thrall knows this. Garrosh is strong, passionate and loyal to his people to a fault, which is an admirable quality. But he needs patience, compassion and humility if he wants to become as great as a leader as Thrall and Cairne. And if Thrall leaves teh Horde before Garrosh can acquire these traits of a great leader, I don't see the Horde fairing any better than the Alliance with Varian. When those two kindred spirits collide, all hell will break lose. Because that is what they are, Varian and Garrosh are soul mates.
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