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9-25-2009 @ 8:12AM
Personally, what I want out of Icecrown is more of a "what I don't want to see." I really don't want us to kill the Lich King, because I can't buy it being possible. Sure, he is (arguably) still mortal, but he's reached a level of power simply unfathomable. That, combined with how utterly iconic he is, I would much rather see him "crushed and defeated, slinking back into the shadows to regroup" than dead.That said, I do want to see Falric and Marwyn in there to some capacity, they've been along for the ride since the Lich King was Arthas first setting foot in Northrend, yet I haven't seen either hide nor hair of them anywhere... Also, Anub'arak would be awesome to see. "Seriously? How the hell do you keep getting back up?"
9-25-2009 @ 8:45AM
Let him grow some more. Then our brave heroes can enter his anus and kill him from inside by stabbing his heart... oh, wait, he doesn't have one.His eye, then. Yea, that will be rather original! XD
9-25-2009 @ 9:17AM
I expect that in the Lich King fight, we'll get a lot of help for several major NPCs showing up. Tirion and Darion are pretty much a given. And who knows how many more, like: Varian, Jaina, Thrall, Garrosh, Rhonin, etc, etc, etc. I'd even expect Bolvar and Saurfang the younger to make an appearance in some form.My point is that the fight (and the history of it), won't be "25 generic heroes killed the Lich King", which, I agree with you would be disappointing. But it could be "the united strength of the greatest heroes of Azaroth (aided by 25 generic heroes) killed the Lich King."
9-25-2009 @ 9:36AM
@MethuusI suppose that wouldn't be so bad, but I would still like to see a "defeat" instead of a "killing," for a couple of reasons. For one, he's already technically "died" how many times now? Especially if one counts Arthas and Ner'zul when they still separate. Also, it would leave the door open for future stories involving him as a villain, kind of how Deathwing has been a recurring villain since War2. Finally, while the "united strength of the greatest heroes of Azaroth (aided by 25 generic heroes) killed the Lich King," would be epic, but almost TOO epic for my tastes, especially since we're (supposedly) only about halfway (or less) through the World of Warcraft storyline, if we get this epic in only the second expansion, where do we go from there? Eventually epic becomes blase if we do it at least once (twice in BC) each expansion...
9-25-2009 @ 10:06AM
You know I agree with you mostly, but in a slight difference.We kill the lich king, Which is EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED.Kind of like the Dark Night, all we did was destroy the armor and body that the lich king was trapped in, what would happen if he was freed from that "prison"
9-25-2009 @ 10:30AM
@wllmsgameDon't think we are doing him a favor by that. There is a reason why he wanted Arthas to wield his armor and fused himself with him. We might "free" him if we break the armor, the sword and everything els that had something to do with him, but face it. We want the epics!
9-25-2009 @ 11:13AM
Personally, I'm of the exact opposite viewpoint. Everything about this expansion has been about the final, climactic confrontation with the Lich King. It's built up and built up and built up to this big, all-or-nothing showdown between the Scourge and the forces of life on Azeroth wherein nothing afterward will be the same. From the very outset it's been established that we're marching on Icecrown once and for all. Once. And for all. Frankly, if we DON'T kill Arthas in Icecrown Citadel, I'll feel cheated more than I've ever felt cheated by a story before. It'll be the copout to end all copouts. If we defeat Arthas only for him to turn around and hop in his escape pod going "NEXT TIME, GADGET, NEXT TIIIIIIIIME!" I will be absolutely PISSED. It'd be cheap, and can you imagine how stupid it'll be when the expansion where we re-confront Arthas comes around?World of Warcraft: Re-Wrath of the Lich King, and We Totes Promise It's for Realsies This TimeThe Lich King's time has come. His story arc has reached its climax and now draws to its natural conclusion. That's what this entire expansion has been about; that's what every single story thread has worked up to. Now if someone new took up the mantle of leader of the Scourge in the wake of Arthas's demise and secretly rebuilt the Scourge to their own purpose, that'd be one thing (and in fact, I fully expect a certain slippery dreadlord to do EXACTLY that), but Arthas Menethil the Lich King's final chapters are being written here, that much is undeniable. It's time for 3.3 to drop and those last couple pages of epilogue to drop with it.
9-25-2009 @ 12:04PM
Well, while we're talking about it, here's a twist I'd like to see in the Lich King story...Some people would like to see a redemption for Arthas, but I just don't see that. Even before merging into the Lich King, he wasn't a figure worthy of redemption. I always saw him as someone more interested in power and control than justice. If the scourge hadn't come along, I think he would have made a bad king for Lordaeron.So what if, during the fight, Tirion offers Arthas a last chance and redemption but Arthas laughs and explains how becoming the Lich King finally gave him the power to create the world he always wanted.But, then, in some form, the spirit of Ner'zhul manifests itself. And it's Ner'zhul who longs for redemption. Then Ner'zhul and Arthas battle for control of the Lich King and while the Lich King's power is split and battling like that, the raid heroes, assisted by some big-name NPC heroes manage to defeat the Lich King; freeing Ner'zhul's soul to join the orc ancestors.Darkkenchild, this neatly preserves the image of the Lich King being immensely powerful, but allows us to still defeat him since we can only do it when his power is split and somewhat aiding us.
9-25-2009 @ 1:12PM
@NagiHonestly, when I was saying that it'd be better to see the LK's defeat in the future, I was talking more about after WoW. Namely the next Warcraft RTS game, or something similar. I agree, his role in WoW is coming to an end very soon, as it should be. However, the idea of him finding a way to escape death (ranging from literally running away at the last minute to something akin to a Lich's "Oh, my soul is stored elsewhere, as long as my fancy urn exists, I'll be back") is something that's happened before, and if his minions can pull off this sort of thing, how likely would it be that he wouldn't do the same for himself? Either way, if he does survive, it would likely be a large blow to his power levels, so he's out of the game for the rest of WoW at least. My objection to his death isn't a matter of "he doesn't deserve it" or "the story is leading to his death," rather that heroes have marched on Icecrown with no other purpose than ending the Lich King permanently, only to have him return years later, stronger than ever.@MathuusWhile the idea is kind of cool, and makes it much easier for me to buy the "he can be defeated" than any theory I've heard of so far, I have one major doubt... Why would Ner'zhul, the one guy who has repeatedly shown no remorse and has flat out stated that all he cares about is power, want to give it up. It's more likely that Arthas would be the hesitant one, but as you said, he's not very likely to do it either. Frankly, the two really were a perfect match in their ruthless desire for power and control. So, I doubt this would happen eitherAll this said, I won't be surprised when he dies, just as I wasn't surprised when Illidan officially kicked the bucket in the lore due to BC. I'll just think it would be kind of a "cop-out" for him to truly perish. Now, Nagi, you're probably right. If he does die, it's quite likely that someone else will rise to take his place, however without some sort of LK artifact, how could they truly match his control and power over the undead? Unless this individual (who shall remain nameless) DOES obtain an artifact, which might even open the door for at least part of the current LK to somehow survive, even if only in essence, in its new host... *shrugs* At this point, nothing would surprise me, either way.
9-25-2009 @ 5:48PM
No. I want to see him die. I'm getting tired of bosses who don't really die. Kael was amusing.. but then KJ... and having the same thing for Arthas would just be a huge copout. We need to start defeating some of these threats and doing it in a final manner. Kill the Lich King and move on. One thing I don't want to see in ICC is another rehash of bosses that let you do damage, interrupt you somehow, then let you pick back up. It's a boring mechanic and over used in Wrath from Nexus on. Enough...
9-25-2009 @ 7:32PM
@Methuus: I'd be willing to believe that Tirion would give him a chance at redemption, except that it was already addressed in the Matthias Lehner questline. Arthas taunts Tirion with that exact knowledge. "You're a paladin," he says. "Don't you want to save humanity's most prodigal son?""There's nothing about you to save, Arthas," is Tirion's reply. He knows Arthas is too far gone and he's not going to let the knowledge of who Arthas once was disarm him. If anybody's going to extend a hand to Arthas and beg him to take it and return to who he once was, it's not going to be Tirion. Tirion knows there's no redemption left. He's not foolish enough to let the slim, slim possibility distract him.Though I do fully expect Tirion to die. Probably to sacrifice himself to greatly weaken Arthas so we can bring him down in the first place. Tirion is a man who really has nothing left to lose and will risk anything to see Arthas put down like the traitor he is.
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