Drama Mamas: The searing agony of burnout
Dodge the drama and become that player everyone wants in their group with the Drama Mamas. Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are real-life mamas and experienced WoW players -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your server. We're taking your questions at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
Should you stay or should you go now? You know the drill: if you go there will be trouble ... but if you stay it will be double ... If you find yourself doubting whether or not you really want to log in tonight -- or the next, or the next, or even the next -- make a decision. Don't be one of those burnouts who flop around like a beached Dragonfin Angelfish. When burnout hits, it's time to take action, both for your sake and the sake of everyone around you. So fire up this week's theme music, above, and let's proceed with the Drama Mamas Method of curing a raging case of burnout.
Darlin', you've got to let me know ...Hey there, Mamas: I've been a long-time player of WoW from the vanilla days on upwards and seen my share of guilds, both good and not-so-good. I'm older than some of the teenagers and young adults but generally get along with them. My current guild is an excellent one in terms of raiding and what-not and is making pretty good progression, even downing Yoggy and Anub after some struggles.
My biggest concern is burnout. Even though we only raid three nights a week, at times I feel the commitment on my end is a bit much -- almost as if I put forth double the effort for the same results. My performance as a whole has been slipping, though the numbers showing are still respectable and raid-worthy. I'm also becoming noticeably less tolerant of people's mistakes. And the demands for hard modes? Don't let me open that can of worms!
I feel as if I'm causing my own drama due to my own burnout and not wanting to let it spill into the guild. Aside from the obvious -- taking a break from WoW as a whole -- are there other options to ease the burden a bit? Signed, Talented Burnout
Drama Mama Lisa: Time to face the music and listen to your own time signature, Talented Burnout. You're burned out. An enforced WoW vacation would almost certainly give you a gust of fresh enthusiasm for a little while, at least, but I'm not a fan of plans to tempt yourself back into the fold. Here's why.
As a player from the early days, you're undoubtedly attached to the game and the people you've met here. But let's face it: WoW no longer demands the sheer persistence over time that stretched before raiders in classic WoW. The necessity of farming a raid instance for months before being able to move on to the next simply doesn't exist any more. Progression is measured in weeks now, not months or eras. Today's content is streamlined, immediate, accessible. It's all right here before you. If you're not enjoying the process, you're in grave danger of finding yourself at the end of the road before you've had any fun.
My advice to people who are weary of the raiding game is, simply put, to stop raiding. Don't set a time limit or consider it a "hiatus"; just quit. Find something new that catches your interest. Try an alt. Heck, convince some friends to restart on a new faction or server type with a whole new emphasis. Even Ghostcrawler suggests playing a few different games -- there are some great new options out there today that would let you set foot on virgin territory with completely fresh energy. Or go read a book in the park. This is your hobby time. It's about what you want to do now, not what you hope to want to do again some time in the future.
WoW is so very, very easy to pick up again if and when the itch returns. Admittedly, you may miss the boat on your guild's progression track. But with Blizzard's steady stream of new features that catapult new and returning players into the end game, you're at no risk of being shut out of the game at large with another group of players. If your heart's not in it, there's no reason to talk yourself into staying so that you won't miss out. The only thing you're missing out on is your own free time. Go enjoy it! WoW will be still be here, going strong.
Drama Mama Robin: Hey Burnout, while I agree that you should leave WoW if you are no longer having fun, it sounds like you are just down about raiding, not the game in general. A raiding break would definitely help, but your fellow guildies may not be very understanding when they are short people for a scheduled event and you are happily leveling an alt or PvPing. You also will lose your favored raiding status for when Icecrown Citadel hits -- and that may be coming sooner than anticipated.
To keep your status while still reducing the burden, you could try only raiding once a week. The rest of your playtime, make yourself unavailable. Be honest to your guildies, that you are burned out and slowing down for the time being, but don't reveal your whereabouts for the times when you aren't raiding. Here are some things to try:
- Transfer or reroll an alt to another faction: As Lisa suggested, a faction change can really make the game seem fresh and new. If you can bring a friend, great! Or make new ones.
- Transfer or reroll an alt on a different kind of server: A change in playstyle can also make things seem like new.
- Roll a new alt, but don't tell your guildies who you are: You can even do what an ex-guild leader did and rejoin your guild, working your way up the ranks again. He found that anonymity was the only way he could enjoy the game, still hang out with the fun people in our guild but not have the burdens of leadership. His raiding talents were still put to good use once he leveled up. Personally, I couldn't do this because I don't like the deception, but it is an option.
LOLrandomism and LOLprofessionalism
Drama Mamas: I am in quite the pickle. Recently, I left a fine raiding guild because I could not stand some members. The females there lacked decency (even going as far as to say "Decency is boring"!), and those who were talking in /raid and/or /g were, I felt, not taking things seriously (being too "LOLrandom XD," etc.).
Now, since most people tend to be like that, trying to ignore them all is nigh impossible. So I decided to do something logical and tried to get used to it. However, I am finding it difficult. When I am raiding, roleplaying or PvPing, I expect at least a basic level of professionalism. This is a game and should not be taken "too seriously." But I find myself enjoying it. A well-done event is worth ... well, quite a lot. And if people can't be serious about it, I tend to see it as not actually caring about what is being done. (Yes, I despise all sorts of "LOL-RP," smack talk and "LOLrandom XD" things. I keep seeing a 12-year-old after having too much sugar.)
So the question is, how can I actually play with people? Do I need to find other, like-minded people, or do I need to learn to tolerate them? And if so, how? Sincerely, Uptight and Bored
Drama Mama Robin: Dear Uptight, The answer to your question is "Yes." Yes, you need to find like-minded people, and yes, you need to learn to tolerate those who don't live up to your standards if you are going to play MMOs ... or shop at the grocery store ... or go to the mall ... or walk on a busy sidewalk ...
I would really rather not listen to random butt jokes all day, but The Spawn currently finds them hysterical. She's not harming anyone or getting into trouble and she will most certainly grow out of them. So I don't encourage her by either laughing or having a negative reaction, and I patiently wait for the next annoying phase. (And don't get me started on the pulling imaginary poop out of her armpit routine. Kids are weird ... and gross.)
As we told Officer With No Respect, there are plenty of guilds out there that have age or maturity requirements. You can limit your exposure to LOLkids by joining one of those. Since you are into RP, you should also be able to find a serious roleplaying guild with strict language requirements in guildchat and public.
But even if you find a great guild with "decent" members, they will still have friends/siblings/children to whom you will be exposed who aren't quite as refined. Just as we told Xaospro, don't feed the trolls -- or in this case, the LOLkids. Just be happy they aren't trying to hand you imaginary poop.
Drama Mama Lisa: The World of Warcraft is filled with not dozens, not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of other players: players who are nothing like you ... players who offend you ... players who find you offensive. I get the distinct impression, Uptight and Bored, that you are wrinkling your nose at these "indecent" players who don't comport themselves to your standards -- when they're probably LOLjoking about your LOLuptightness even as we speak. Nobody's right or wrong here; this is about people being people. Welcome to the big, wide world.
My questions to you are, if you enjoy roleplaying and events that run like clockwork, why would you not seek out other players who value those qualities? And why would you try to fit into a group in which you're obviously extraordinarily incompatible? You've already made the first correct move. Carry on.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
WaterRouge Oct 2nd 2009 9:17AM
Drama Mamas did it again!
Great advice that can be applied to general WoW life too.
The Spawn tried to hand you imaginary poop...from...the armpits....
"Kids are weird...and gross."
Hoggersbud Oct 2nd 2009 9:27AM
Here's the thing about crude behavior and all that stuff...the only thing you can do is quietly take your leave. Criticizing people won't work. Not in WOW, where you have no more authority than anybody else. Which of course, means they'll ignore you, because it's easier to do that than it is to think about their own behavior and how it reflects upon them.
The only exception might be your own children, but even then, it may not work.
Tbah Oct 2nd 2009 9:39AM
Transferring to another realm can indeed refresh the game. I got burned out by raiding and guild drama, so I transferred. At first I plyed about two months guildless, then later found a nice guild and I am so happy I don't have to think about the old guilds problems. Sure I miss some of the best friends from there, but I can live with it.
If the faction transfers were available by the time I x-realmed I would have done that. But I'm pretty happy with how things are now.
Rhabella Oct 2nd 2009 9:40AM
Never underestimate the value of wowheadhunter, or lookingforguild.net. They both have great options and you can browse them free of the official forum trolls and then roll an alt on the server with the guild you think might be a fit and give them a test run.
Deadly. Off. Topic. Oct 2nd 2009 10:02AM
Sad thing is, my guild burnt me out of raiding simply by being irresponsible time wasters. I take my time seriously as I work a stressful job that often has me staying late and stuff and then I'd get home and make sure that I attend the raids in a timely manner, with everything ready for them, but then I'm left waiting 30 minutes to an hour for members to decide to show up, to log in. If I'm going to give you my valuable time that you're not paying for, you damn well show up at the scheduled time.
shockologist Oct 2nd 2009 11:33AM
Agreed Raid time should mean pull time or at least buff time
Jafari Oct 2nd 2009 12:06PM
This is why I quit raiding altogether.
Bigelow Oct 2nd 2009 12:48PM
I was an officer of a guild where I had to drive an hour through brutal traffic only to be lucky to get home in time to raid. Then, when I would make it on time by the skin of my teeth fighting traffic and stresses of work, 15 people were online. So I did what I had to, found a new guild that raids an hour later, and forms up a half an hour early. That way we start ON TIME, and last night we started early! This way I am not already mega-stressed out before I even start a raid, and makes the experience so much more enjoyable.
Marita Oct 2nd 2009 10:50AM
About the burnout:
I play alliance because my friends played it, but I always wanted to have a tauren.
So one day I rolled one in a normal oceanic server, way different than my pvp server :)
And it was great. To have a place where I could enjoy myself, at my own time.
Soon a friend rolled a troll there too, so I had someone to chat :)
Not many week later, my boyfriend was starting to have a very strong burnout because of our guild irresponsability in schedule and loot :/
So I suggested him to roll an alt in my horde normal server, and he did. I started questing with him with other alt, and it was awesome.
The world was absolutely different, all the quest where new, we didn't know where the flight paths where :P
It was like starting from scratch, and we loved it.
He was so happy with this new experience, that he told our guild leaders that he was doing this because he had a burnout and they didn't bother him... in the moment.
After 2 to 3 weeks playing this new world, for wich we were paying anyway, he started to feel better again.
:)
Now we have a new guild in our alliance server, and we are so happy with the project that we haven't logged in our horde toons because we don't have enough time :P
Now, after that break, everything is way better than I imagined at the start of my boyfriends burnout :)
So good luck, I hope you find a new playstyle, server, or game that gives you back the joy when you log in :)
Anna Oct 2nd 2009 10:55AM
i get burned out from raiding and even questing a lot. when that happens, i go grind rep with a random faction or work on a random achievement or title. when i got sick of naxx, i got my diplomat title, and when that was all said and done, i was ready to raid again.
it's nice cus you're still online with your friends, but you're doing something completely different than what you normally do. there's so much to do in wow! people tend to forget that it's more than just raiding.
mauricet68 Oct 2nd 2009 11:05AM
This is so interesting this article. Recently in the last few days I transferred to a different server and changed over to the Horde side due to problems in my old guild with Raid times and none progression. I was burned completely out after helping guild mates gear up, invested in Vent and a Guild website I just couldn't take the failures after 9 months of being patient. Listening to guild mates complaints that they wanted to do 10 man ToC or 10 man Uld when the fact of the matter was they couldn't even learn how to get pass 10/25 man Naxx or do any 10/25 man OS with drakes up was making this worse for me I was getting sick of WoW because it was like a full time job. Finally I talked with my buddy that plays on Spinebreaker who plays Horde and he gave me some sound advice. Come over his way and I will be more happy plus I will enjoy playing WoW again. So with that advice I made the change and that first night downed 25 man Ony and 10 man ToC with my new guild which my buddy is one of the Officers. Even got some nice up grades in Loot. So I got my brother to make the change the other day with me and now we are both enjoying our time on a new server playing Horde for the first time and around older mature players our age. So to wrap this up: Drama Mamas you made some sound advice. I did it days before this article even hit. Even though I left behind some good friends the stress is gone off my shoulders and I am once again having a good time playing the game and ganking Alliance on this PvP server I am on!
bigjonno Oct 2nd 2009 11:33AM
Somewhat ironically, I've found that being in a relatively hardcore guild has prevented from getting that burned out feeling. I'm used to being in (or running, or being an officer in) small to medium, fairly informal guilds. Despite supposedly being relaxed and casual, I always felt like there were loads of demands on my time, I was always being asked to help out with one thing or another and, as something of a theorycrafter, having to sort out people's gear/spec/rotation/general noobish behaviour.
Now I'm in an environment where I know exactly what is expected of me. I have to turn up to three raids a week, on time and with consumables for the night. Other than that, my time is my own. I still spend plenty of time doing other things with my guildmates, but I never feel pressured into doing any of it.
Seaborn Oct 2nd 2009 12:59PM
good comment bigjonno.
I read it after i typed mine and the feeling you have is kinda what i'm talking about in mine.
mauricet68 Oct 2nd 2009 2:06PM
bigjonno thanks for your comment. i can totally relate to what you are saying. i am glad i found a guild where i am no longer the one leading raids/checking gear/or being spammed to death by members needing gear to move on to bigger and better raids. now I have a task and a role in my guild without being stressed out.
Clevins Oct 2nd 2009 5:48PM
Yeah that kind of organization helps. So does having enough raiders that you don't need everyone to show every raid every week. The Mamas missed the board on the first question entirely. He/she doesn't need to quit, they just need to be able to take breaks if they want. If the guild doesn't have enough people to let that happen that brings its own stress "I need to show up or the raid doesn't happen..."
For a 10 person raid you want 12-15 folks around and raid ready and then some way to fairly determine who sits. For a 25 person raid I'd want 30 raiders. Stuff happens - people get sick, want a break, etc.
Now, it might be that that person really is burnout entirely... then, yeah, quit. But to say from that email that quitting is the only viable step is misguided.
Seaborn Oct 2nd 2009 12:56PM
The first question relates very much to the second question. There are people in this game that have been here for years and play a certain way and have a level of maturity that the other 90% don't have. This causes said players to burn out faster because they despise have to log in and deal with LOLcat idiots.
The subject about how this game has been stream lined is very accurate. It has become a lot more casual. This has caused many of the players that would be considered "mature" serious gamers to leave and find other games. Of all the friends I started WoW with, there are only about 2-3 left from the old days. All the others have moved on to other games that require more skill, strategy, and tactics. I am not saying the game is bad now, just different. And this makes it draw a very different player base. If you were one of the LOLrandom XD people in Vanilla, you usually only made it so far in progression because if you bounced guilds or got on peoples nerves you were pushed out and had to go find another group that would put up with you for a while before the process repeated itself.
I had a hard time finding a group that I enjoyed raiding with long term in WotLK. But they are out there. They are usually those guilds that are always 1st or 2nd on the server but the majority of their member you don't see or interact with often because they stick to their own groups. They do this because interacting with the "trade chat" public masses burns them out.
Tethra Oct 2nd 2009 1:58PM
I agree with the people who said transferring to a new server/faction might help with the burnout. My husband and I played Alliance on a PVP server for a little while, but the guild drama and inability to find groups on our low pop server almost made us not want to play anymore. So, we decided to start from scratch on another server. We went to a higher pop PVE server and rerolled Horde (had faction xfers been available at the time, we would've done that instead). It helped a lot, so I would suggest it for anyone who is feeling burned out.
kenney Oct 2nd 2009 2:12PM
"If I go there will be trouble... and if I stay it will be double...."
Dude, that is BASIC math.
Rob Oct 2nd 2009 3:23PM
One thing i'd add is that if you are thinking of stop (stopping??) raiding don't expect your guild to wait for you. Once you raid quit, they find someone else, and suddenly you are out of the raid group. Yeah, people do come and go pretty regularly, but you may have to wait a while before getting back into the raid group. You may have to server transfer, if nobody on your server is recruiting (at your level anyway). Also there is the gear issue, once you stop the treadmill, people will leapfrog past you.
Don't let that stop you, i've picked up and stopped raiding more times than I can count. I'm just saying there will be trouble. As long as you are drama-free and upfront "hey i'm burned out of raiding, i'm going to stop playing for a while, please don't gkick my toon", people will understand, unless they are asshats, and in that case you are better off without them.
Vinna Oct 2nd 2009 3:38PM
to the burned out guy:
If you're burned out and tired of playing, stop for a bit, or limit your play time. I totally get it as I've been there myself. Depending on how your guild does raiding, you may need to find a more casual guild, or one that doesn't have a tight roster and an attendance policy. The guild I joined recently is awesome like this, they are great players, fun to play with and we have nice progression (TOC 25 cleared weekly). We have scheduled raids 4 nights a week, but attendance isn't mandatory.. Some nights I just don't feel like it, so I don't play, and I don't get pentalized for it. Which is awesome! Now, if you find a guild like that, where you don't have to show up to every raid to assure your spot as a raider, you do have to accept that there will be nights you may want to raid, but have to sit out. (last week one night we had 12 healers show up for the raid, some sat out, some came but as DPS spec)
I think it's a fair trade off, having to sit out once in a while when I want to go, in order to not HAVING to go when I dont want to.
While I am in a feeling burned out stage as well, I don't even try to play except for at raid times, as if I am going to play for a few hours, I feel like I should make the most of it.
Don't worry about falling behind, wow has really changed, in that you can take an extended break and hop back into raiding rather quickly.
I recently decided to change servers, but wasn't sure about it, so I just sent over a scrub alt. (one I didn't do much on and didn't even really care about all that much, ie. my 2nd priest.. lol) but I found a great guild and she's now clearing toc 25 weekly.. not to shabby for a toon that just dinged 80 in Early septemeber.