I didn't see any arcane mage QQ. None of these changes will affect arcane at all. The only person I see who needs to lay off the QQ is the one directly north of this post.

Stop being a knee-jerk jerk. These were real issues with the class. Other classes are getting some of their real issues fixed too.

Also, what do these changes have to do with Arcane mages? Sure, some raid-specced Arcane mages take Imp-Scorch, but you appear to be entirely PvP whining, which none of this has anything to do with.

I agree Xisa, i know mages are gonna tell us "QQ MOAR N00bZ" But they are OP, The last thing Frost needs is a buff, all mages cept for fire need a BC Beast Mastery nerf. Tired of Frost mages QQing about needing more surviability, QQing about more damgae, QQing about not beign God, the list goes on

Then you must be one of those moronic players that lets an arcane stackup his/hers damage buff to 4, that is close 8+ seconds off unimpeded casting followed missile barrage. Expect to die from that, I'm guessing that very mage Counterspelled the healer whilst doing that?


Nothing annoys me more than a half wit with tunnel vision that does little research, doesn't learn but counters in a comment/forum post. /Golf Clap

Primalscream Ravencrest agreeing with Xisa Ravencrest wow, just wow. Duel Personality much?

I'm guessing Widowmaker will agree with you to?

When will the PVPers learn its not all about them? For PVE (which is what the game is... PVP is an afterthought) this is great news for my first love, frost spec. Of course, it could have come BEFORE the advent of dual spec, but we cant have everything. And the improved scorch might make me go back to a fire spec as my primary raiding spec (just love those huge AB crits, though)

" PvE (which is what the game is... PVP is an afterthought)"

I HATE this reasoning. PvP was not an 'afterthought'. It was planned from the begging but didn't make launch. Just like MC was the only raid available at launch.

And lets say it was. So what? This game is just as much PvP now as it is PvE. One is not more important than the other. It just happens that PvP balancing is much harder than PvE balancing.

"I HATE this reasoning. PvP was not an 'afterthought'. It was planned from the begging but didn't make launch. Just like MC was the only raid available at launch.

And lets say it was. So what? This game is just as much PvP now as it is PvE. One is not more important than the other. It just happens that PvP balancing is much harder than PvE balancing."

Except that they spend so much time balancing for PvP that PvE suffers. Yeah, pardon me if I'm not sympathetic to the "plight" of people who think these changes are a problem in PvP. And you'd do well to remember that everyone thinks all the other classes are OP- except for their own. ESPECIALLY in PvP.

Well put, Wolftech. Bottom line: if it's not PvE-viable, it's not WoW-viable. PvP is a cute diversion, but if it's your reason for playing the game, you'd be better served buying a console. The Frost tree has been cordoned off-limits & reserved for trivialities long enough; it's way past time to bring it back for raiding, and 3.3 looks like a decent start.