Skip to Content
10-13-2009 @ 7:52PM
I'm running into this problem right now in two of the guilds I'm in.I have two 80 raiders, both geared and skilled sufficiently for 25 TotC content. One is in a fairly high-end raiding guild, and usually holds his own on the dps charts (always top five on overall damage and dps, usually top three). He knows his class, he keeps his gear properly enchanted and gemmed, he uses appropriate class-specific and raid addons to maximize his efficiency. There is a boomkin in his guild who out-gears him by a considerable margin. This boomkin is wearing almost full 245 gear, mostly because he's the only leather caster in the guild, so any of that stuff that drops goes to him automatically. The boomkin uses flasks, he knows the fights, he listens in on Vent, he gives every indication of being a good raider... but I have *never* seen him put out more than 2k dps, less than half what I do on my feral. I don't know what his problem is, I don't know if the officers have talked to him about it, but I just twitch every time I see him get a raid slot, because it means that the rest of us will need to work that much harder to compensate for his low numbers.My other 80 went into semi-retirement back in Ulduar days, but I recently dusted him off to tank for a newbie raiding guild formed by an old buddy of mine. A lot of the new guild's members are true newbies, just dinged 80, haven't even run a 10m OS with no drakes yet... but their attitudes just *infuriate* me. I can work with undergeared people who just need upgrades, I can work with people who need help understanding how to use their skills, I can work with people who need advice on what stats to gem for, but I cannot work with people who expect everything to be *handed* to them. These newbies don't want help, they want handouts. Heck, they aren't even content with the welfare epic handouts available through pugging heroics: they stamp their feet, say "Heroics are boring!", then expect nine other people, including my already-geared tank, to spend hours every week running through Naxx and Ulduar, even though they could get better gear in less time by busting their own butts for it.I'm sure Jay is going to come blustering in here huffing at me for being an elitist jerk, but if you want to play the game at a high level, you need to put in the damned effort. If you are unwilling to put in that effort, or if you are just functionally incapable of raiding because you can't pay attention or take it seriously, you should not be allowed to raid. It's a privilege, not a right. Yes, you can play the game however you want, it's your dime every month; yes, if you think your 1500 int arcane-shot-spam hunter build is the best thing in the world, you can solo your little heart out with it; but as soon as you start raiding, as soon as you start working as part of a team with other people, you play by the team rules or you get the frak out. Initial ignorance is excusable, simple lack of knowledge can be easily fixed with instruction, but willful stupidity or laziness have no place in raiding guilds.
10-13-2009 @ 10:10PM
Not at all.Being the top level of the game I fully agree that people need to be sure of their own skills and also realise this is not just about them, that there are other people on the team who are going to end up with a wasted time investment, frustration, raid locks and huge repair/consumable costs.My PoV was to the author of this post who gives every indication she took members of her own guild into a fight that she should have known was too hard for them, but then rather than admit she was wrong decides to publicly call out the huntard on WoW.comAs others have said, including you, gear checks are a pretty good starting point here, especially as the complaint is NOT about the style or ability of his play but that he was putting out only 1800 DPS and didn't know he could do better. In a guild only situation then you also should have an inkling about the player if not from grouping with him in heroics then from other guildies.Nope, I hold it is Amanda who is the elitist/incompetent one. She even says later in the article "Part of the Guild Master/Raid leaders job is to lead their team into appropriate content. Do a reality check for your team." but she hasn't in this case, and then had the nerve to write a column about it.Go back and read what I wrote with that in mind. This is *not* a PuG 25 man complaint the author is making, this is a complaint about a guildie who got invited to something he couldn't handle and is then called out about it on WoW.com
10-14-2009 @ 11:28AM
@jaystop calling him a huntard you elitist b***h!the raid was clearly a pug. and yes i am removing people of low dps from current tier raids. they need to just get better gear, that's all and learn the mechanics of the class. yes it is the responsibility of raid leader to make a good composition but sometimes we are rushed to fill the group in fear of it disbanding because of downtime.and i sure as hell try and help people play better but most of the time they call me an a-hole and whatever....I told a prot pally once that he should use blessing of sanctuary, but he said he is using wisdom because he is has mana problems......he got really mad at me..
First time? A confirmation email will be sent to you after submitting.
Members enter your username and password.
Enter your AOL or AIM screenname and password.
Please keep your comments relevant to this blog entry. Email addresses are never displayed, but they are required to confirm your comments.
When you enter your name and email address, you'll be sent a link to confirm your comment, and a password. To leave another comment, just use that password.
To create a live link, simply type the URL (including http://) or email address and we will make it a live link for you. You can put up to 3 URLs in your comments. Line breaks and paragraphs are automatically converted — no need to use <p> or <br /> tags.