WoW Rookie: Do you have time to raid?

They're the names on everyone's lips: Lord Jaraxxus. Onyxia. Yogg-Saron. You're dying (literally!) to see these larger-than-life figures – but now that it's almost time to look for a solid guild and get about the business of raiding, you find doubt bubbling to the surface. Work, school, family, other hobbies ... Raiding is supposedly an intense pursuit. Do you have the time it takes to be a successful raider?
The short answer: Yes, you do have time. If you want to raid, somewhere out there is a guild that will work for you. The player population of WoW is so immense that finding a raid that fits your goals and schedule is certainly within the realm of possibility (if not within the actual realm you currently play on -- pardon the pun). We obviously can't tell each and every one of you exactly where to look for a custom fit, but we can give you some starting points to help you identify what to look for in the first place.
What type of raid experience do you want? If you aspire to bleeding-edge play in a guild that knocks out realm and world firsts, expect to put in plenty of time. There's no way around that. High-end progression guilds typically raid more weeknights than not, plus every weekend. Most have strict attendance policies. At the other end of the spectrum, if you merely want to taste what's available in WoW's endgame, you might find that PUG raids satisfy your appetite. There's a whole range of guilds in between those extremes, so don't grab at the first thing that passes by. Decide what you want, first.
How often can you raid? The average guild (if there is such a thing) probably raids three to four times a week for three to four hours at a time (with the longer stretches occurring on weekends). That said, there are plenty of guilds that raid more or that raid less. Be realistic about what you have to offer, because joining a raiding guild should ideally be a fairly long-term commitment. Don't optimistically stretch yourself too thin, or you'll be courting burnout before you've even begun.
What hours are you available? If your play times seem at odds with those of the guilds on your realm, consider transferring to a realm in another time zone that meshes more closely with your schedule.
How much uninterrupted time can you devote? A challenging raid should demand your undivided attention – no interruptions from roommates, children, work, parents, homework ... If this is something you can't guarantee, you should think twice about making a commitment that has ramifications for the nine to 24 other raid members who are relying on you to perform.

What about expectations outside of raids? Some guilds are large enough, geared enough and progressed enough that newer members are literally showered with unused gear. Other groups, however, may need new members to farm up their own upgrades in PUGs, Heroics and older raid content.
No matter what size your guild is, you'll need time to keep up to date on the guild forums and research any need-to-know strategies before raids. You'll want to stay on top of the latest developments and tactics for your class and spec. You'll probably need to run a few dailies or do some farming to stay even with repair fees and consumable costs.
Your guild's size and focus will dictate some of these non-raid expectations. More social guilds may expect you to be available for grouping and casual runs on non-raid nights. Larger guilds may allow you to slip in and out of raids relatively unnoticed, while smaller, more personal groups may call for a little more face time.
The learning curve
As a new raider, expect a learning curve of a month or more when you'll be excitedly obsessing over every last detail of your new pastime. As you become more experienced, things will slow down a little and you'll be able to "compartmentalize" your raiding and integrate it into your usual life. If you're in raiding for the long haul, expect your schedule and interest to fluctuate around your guild's progression (Biff! Bam! The end boss of your current instance!) and game content (Boom! Pow! A content patch! An expansion!).
The takeaway: yes, you can raid with your schedule. Don't grab the first (biggest/most progressed/most well known) guild that comes along. Ask plenty of questions about a potential guild's schedule and what they expect in terms of attendance. There's a fit for everyone, as long as you ask the questions that will help you find it. Good luck and happy raiding!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Rob Oct 14th 2009 11:14AM
Solid article, bu perhaps you should have answered the question "Maybe". The key is multiple days of uninterrupted time, typically during the evenings. Not everyone has such huge chunks of time that is their own. Especially if you were a child I imagine, your parents probably wouldnt understand that you HAVE to sit glued to your computer for 4 hour stretches.
It is unfortunate how it works out, but if one person has an emergency AFK, the raid more or less stops, especially in 10 mans.
That said, our guild runs 3 nights a week of 2 or 2.5 hours, versus the typical 3-4 hours 4x a week (Doctors of Philosophy - Dawnbringer (H)), so there are guilds out there with shorter raids. While you can't progress as fast with what little time we have, we still managed to down four ulduar bosses last night, which is good for social/casual raiding.
There are also a few guilds running raids during the days if you are a stay at home parent.
MightyMuffin Oct 14th 2009 11:16AM
As someone who just finally joined a progression raiding guild, I think there should be one more thing added to this list.
Any potential guilds you are looking at, raid with them at least 3-6 times before you join and while on the raids, be yourself and see how they react to your personality.
This will allow you to see what their personality is like as a group, and sometimes on an individual basis. If you find that their personality and playstyle matches with yours (and other things considered), you will want to play with them and generally enjoy it. Look for guilds that compliment your playstyle, and even give suggestions to you. Look for guilds that don't expect you to be an expert the second you walk into a raid you've never been inside. In other words, find people who are willing to let you in, not a guild who will consider you a noob until you pull off some amazing stunt that saves the raid. The guild should be your friends, not associates.
Reddimension Oct 14th 2009 11:59AM
As a Recruitment officer i wish ti reply on this. not many guilds will "invite" pug members into their raids. mostly because it causes problems with looting.
so you can't go asking to raid 3 to 6 times before you say yes. but most guild to have a trial time, in which you or they can end the trial without too much hassle. the upside to this is, that you even in trial time you can start gathering much needed dkp.
MightyMuffin Oct 14th 2009 4:32PM
This was what I was referring to, participating in a trial period. I just think it helps so that you can feel out whether you enjoy the other people or not. Just makes sense. Sorry to use wrong wording XD.
jealouspirate Oct 14th 2009 11:16AM
Interesting article.
My problem is not that I don't have time to raid, it's that my schedule is not set in stone on a weekly basis, making it impossible to commit to a specific raid time consistently.
It's difficult, because while raiding requires commitment, it's still just a game. If I'm in the middle of a raid and my girlfriend calls, saying that she misses me and wants me to come over, there's no way to justify saying that my commitment to the raid outweighs my commitment to her.
catharsis80 Oct 14th 2009 12:04PM
I voted this comment up as well, but it's strange: while this seems to be a popular attitude (seeing as it is voted up), I find that it is generally looked down upon and mocked because it is not "leet". So therefore, leet = no life outside of WoW apparently. But this does not have to be true. I finally did some Ulduar last night for the first time (apart from a pugged 25-man FL). We went through everything up to Hodir. It went really well and lasted a few hours. It was a pug, and the raid leader knew some of us were knew and was very helpful, understanding, and willing to explain the more strategic fight.
Oh, that more people were like this and had even the basest levels of human decency.
catharsis80 Oct 14th 2009 12:05PM
*Meant "new", not "knew". I hope edit buttons are coming here at some point.
Egrep Oct 16th 2009 3:50PM
^ This.
Fun night out with my girlfriend and/or booty call >> Raiding.
With that understood, I'm still looking for a guild where I'm not required to raid, but still may get called up when (a) the normal raid has lost one and needs me and (b) I know my lady is busy that night.
Seriously. Enhance/Resto shaman. On Azgalor (H), but willing to transfer servers and factions. egrep.skywall@gmail.com (my early-BC main)
PsychoChris Oct 14th 2009 12:11PM
Your gapping error is that when you decide to raid, you move from WoW being a game to WoW being a social event. There are now 9 or 24 other people waiting for you to show up as promised. Yes RL happens and you likely can't make every week or every raid, but be considerate of your fellow raiders and plan ahead. If you can't commit to consistent schedule, you can still raid...there called PUGs (Pick Up Group).
The best analogy I can give you is: If it were "Bowling Night" (I know, I am dating myself) you wouldn't bail on your buddies because your sig-other is in a mood. Just because you don't see your fellow raiders face to face, doesn't make them any less of a person. Raid is a commitment too. Be sure you are considering everyone involved, and not just yourself.
A little advise from a happily married guy...learn to manage relationship aggro. If your significant other expects you to drop everything because they want you to, you relationship is going to suck. It's fine at first, but as any person in a long term relationship will agree, you have to respect eachothers individual life too. You need "me time" and so does she...plan ahead.
Krsnik Oct 14th 2009 12:12PM
I feel the same way about raiding. I'd love to but I can never seem to 100% guarantee that I won't be interrupted while in Ulduar or ToC.
My other issue with raiding is when I'm on vent and the Raid Leader is explaining a fight, I tend to get lost in the explanation. My last MMO (Guild Wars) did not focus on boss fights as much as WoW does so that probably has a lot to do with it.
Sometimes it almost makes me want to just stop raiding altogether but then I remember that it's the only way to progress until Cataclysm comes out. ><
lesa Oct 14th 2009 12:23PM
Your girlfriends lucky then. LOL. My boyfriend wouldn't leave a raid if I was bleeding and dying on the living room floor.
catharsis80 Oct 14th 2009 12:29PM
@lesa
Then why are you dating him?
Anom Oct 14th 2009 12:33PM
Maybe if people had more skill, they wouldn't have this problem.
My guild raids 3 nights a week, for 3 hours each night. Very casual, very flexible. Yet we put high emphasis on skill and efficiency. If you don't research ur class, gem/enchant up properly/do good dps, then u suck. You can raid casual and still experience end game content. Casual is a matter of time. Its not a matter of skill
Heres a taste at a typical schedule
Thursday night, 8-11pm, Ony10, Toc10 and Ulduar 10 Hardmodes up to Iron Council
Saturday-Sunday 8-11pm, work on more Ulduar 10 hardmodes, attempt Vezax HM, Algalon and H ToC 10
See we raid as an average guild, yet we clear stuff pretty well. Yes we do all that in 3 days. Yes we only raid 3 hours a week. Yes we are casual. We just require you don't suck. Not having much time to raid is no excuse for being shitty DPS, thats just stupidity and laziness
Jeff Oct 14th 2009 12:34PM
The problem that arises there, as has been said, is that once you're in a raid you now have 9 to 24 people relying on you to remain focused. I'm not saying that your girlfriend isn't important, but if there is a possibility that you will leave a raid if she calls, then I think everyone in the raid would be better off if you didn't join in the first place.
Yes it is a video game on the internet, but everyone else in your raid has set aside several hours of their day for it. As the guy above said, your fellow raiders are still people and their time still matters, regardless of whether you can see their faces.
Anom Oct 14th 2009 12:35PM
< 3 hours a day, no more than 9 week, people always leave at 11 sharp to sleep.
catharsis80 Oct 14th 2009 12:37PM
@Anom
"u suck"
"We just require you don't suck. Not having much time to raid is no excuse for being shitty DPS, thats just stupidity and laziness"
It is THIS very attitude that makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution. No new people want to raid with people like you. And considering this thread is about new raiders, maybe you should keep that rotten attitude within your group of "leets" instead of opening up that can of stink in this comment thread. It is not helpful, constructive, or informative in the least.
snowleopard233 Oct 14th 2009 12:39PM
This is one of the problems one often faces when playing mmo’s. It’s not like you’re out with your friends at an actual place and you can’t make it over or invite her to come along. Instead you’re at home, on your computer, playing a video game with people you may have never met face-to-face (and there’s certainly no way your girlfriend’s coming along unless she plays too and is at the same level of progression at which point she’d probably be playing with you anyway).
Although those are people on the other end that you could potentially be screwing over, it’s a hard thing to explain or legitimize to other people (and sometimes yourself as well). In any case, you’d most likely turn down the raid to go hang out with your girlfriend, meet up with a friend who wants to go to the bar, or help your younger brother who’s having trouble with homework. These things happen to me a lot and it’s because of them that I find I’m unable to schedule exact times to meet up with 24 other people and devote my attention for three hours.
Anom Oct 14th 2009 12:39PM
People QQ. Oh I have a gf/rl issues. I don't have to raid. I"ll never see Anub!
Got 45min? Its how long it takes us to get to Anubrekhan. Raid for 45min, experience all of ToC, get it done, then go hang out with ur GF. Time is not the issue. SKILL is. And for those of you who say oh but you have better gear since you raid more often. Lies. All lies. We cleared 10ToC at the same rate with nothing better than ilvl 226 Emblem of Conquest gear and ilvl213 naxx25 gear. Which is outclassed by Heroic ToC 5man with ilvl 219.
Gear is not an issue. Skill is. People just suck.
Anom Oct 14th 2009 12:43PM
It does not take more than 30 minutes to go Elitistjerks.com, check ur forums for ur class section. Read up on how to gem properly/ what stats to prioritize and ur rotation. Thats easily fixable and done fast.
The rest is just paying attention. Oh DBM says deep breath? Look up, find ony and gtfo of her way. Fire appears underneath you? oh maybe standing fires is bad? move the fuck out.
Common sense. My friend was thrown into 25man ignis, first time, had no idea what to do, was in only 213 ilvl gear. tanked it like a pro. asked him how he learned so fast his response was umm.... move out of fires = common sense.
jealouspirate Oct 14th 2009 12:43PM
@Anom
I'm not quite sure the point you're trying to make. I said that I don't raid a lot due limited time and a schedule that varies on a weekly basis. My life could not accommodate your raid schedule. I understand my class and have all the appropriate gems and enchants, and perform well when I do find the time for a pug or two.
@ Jeff & Psycho
I only raid in PuGs, as you suggested. I try to commit to the whole pug, but sometimes I have to leave part way through. I get that it sucks for the other people, and I try to be considerate as possible... but that's just life.
My girlfriend understands about WoW, and usually just asks me to call her back when I'm finished, but there are plenty of exceptions. I know that the other raiders are real people too, but in the end I don't think anyone should feel the same level of commitment to fellow raiders as family/loved ones. You can usually find another player with minor inconvenience, but you can't find another father/son/boyfriend, etc.