WoW Rookie: Do you have time to raid?

They're the names on everyone's lips: Lord Jaraxxus. Onyxia. Yogg-Saron. You're dying (literally!) to see these larger-than-life figures – but now that it's almost time to look for a solid guild and get about the business of raiding, you find doubt bubbling to the surface. Work, school, family, other hobbies ... Raiding is supposedly an intense pursuit. Do you have the time it takes to be a successful raider?
The short answer: Yes, you do have time. If you want to raid, somewhere out there is a guild that will work for you. The player population of WoW is so immense that finding a raid that fits your goals and schedule is certainly within the realm of possibility (if not within the actual realm you currently play on -- pardon the pun). We obviously can't tell each and every one of you exactly where to look for a custom fit, but we can give you some starting points to help you identify what to look for in the first place.
What type of raid experience do you want? If you aspire to bleeding-edge play in a guild that knocks out realm and world firsts, expect to put in plenty of time. There's no way around that. High-end progression guilds typically raid more weeknights than not, plus every weekend. Most have strict attendance policies. At the other end of the spectrum, if you merely want to taste what's available in WoW's endgame, you might find that PUG raids satisfy your appetite. There's a whole range of guilds in between those extremes, so don't grab at the first thing that passes by. Decide what you want, first.
How often can you raid? The average guild (if there is such a thing) probably raids three to four times a week for three to four hours at a time (with the longer stretches occurring on weekends). That said, there are plenty of guilds that raid more or that raid less. Be realistic about what you have to offer, because joining a raiding guild should ideally be a fairly long-term commitment. Don't optimistically stretch yourself too thin, or you'll be courting burnout before you've even begun.
What hours are you available? If your play times seem at odds with those of the guilds on your realm, consider transferring to a realm in another time zone that meshes more closely with your schedule.
How much uninterrupted time can you devote? A challenging raid should demand your undivided attention – no interruptions from roommates, children, work, parents, homework ... If this is something you can't guarantee, you should think twice about making a commitment that has ramifications for the nine to 24 other raid members who are relying on you to perform.

What about expectations outside of raids? Some guilds are large enough, geared enough and progressed enough that newer members are literally showered with unused gear. Other groups, however, may need new members to farm up their own upgrades in PUGs, Heroics and older raid content.
No matter what size your guild is, you'll need time to keep up to date on the guild forums and research any need-to-know strategies before raids. You'll want to stay on top of the latest developments and tactics for your class and spec. You'll probably need to run a few dailies or do some farming to stay even with repair fees and consumable costs.
Your guild's size and focus will dictate some of these non-raid expectations. More social guilds may expect you to be available for grouping and casual runs on non-raid nights. Larger guilds may allow you to slip in and out of raids relatively unnoticed, while smaller, more personal groups may call for a little more face time.
The learning curve
As a new raider, expect a learning curve of a month or more when you'll be excitedly obsessing over every last detail of your new pastime. As you become more experienced, things will slow down a little and you'll be able to "compartmentalize" your raiding and integrate it into your usual life. If you're in raiding for the long haul, expect your schedule and interest to fluctuate around your guild's progression (Biff! Bam! The end boss of your current instance!) and game content (Boom! Pow! A content patch! An expansion!).
The takeaway: yes, you can raid with your schedule. Don't grab the first (biggest/most progressed/most well known) guild that comes along. Ask plenty of questions about a potential guild's schedule and what they expect in terms of attendance. There's a fit for everyone, as long as you ask the questions that will help you find it. Good luck and happy raiding!
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 4)
Anom Oct 14th 2009 12:49PM
Because we can down things fast we are flexible. Someone is busy, can only raid for 30min. Ok we just bring them in for ony. Got only an hour? Come just for TOC 10. Only 2 hours? Cant stay up too late? Raid up to IC, or do it another day for the 2nd half. Come just for an hour for Vezax and Yoggy. Experience the content. Have time for RL stuff.
Methuus Oct 14th 2009 12:59PM
Well, jealouspirate, I think what someone posted above is correct. The etiquette test for leaving a raid should be the same as for an in-person group hobby activity.
When something comes up during a raid, you ask yourself: would I leave a softball game, or a poker game, or (insert your preferred group activity here) for this? If the answer is yes, then that's fine. But if the answer is no, then leaving just because it's an internet game and that is somehow different, is just being rude; in my opinion, of course.
catharsis80 Oct 14th 2009 1:01PM
@Anom
It isn't that much of what you are saying is wrong, it's quite right. It's your attitude and approach that shows that you hate and are not willing to work with people who have not done the same research we have. To me, THAT is laziness. Many people simply don't know about rotations or where to look. If you take 30 seconds to explain it to them, it does wonders. Rather than calling people stupid, ignorant, "shitty", and anything else in your pro vocabulary, try being kind and pointing them to where they can get help, without them feeling absolutely worthless. When I have told fellow guildies, or people just plain asking, where to get info for their class and/or rotations, etc., they are usually abounding with thank yous and get right to it. It makes them a better player, encourages camaraderie, and simply makes the entire realm better in the long run, little by little.
Massdps88 Oct 14th 2009 4:06PM
This is my problem as well, and my friends who play WoW keep insisting that I'm just too lazy/bad at playing/etc to get geared.
But when I'm in school, I can't even do homework on Sunday night-Thursday mid-afternoon. Let alone raid. And I get a LOT of homework. I seriously get about 1.5 days a week to raid/shop/knit/watch TV or whatever else I want for leisure, and some weeks, the homework even cancels that out (I intend to be buried in my computer science reading pretty much all of Saturday this week, for example).
I'm usually only able to get on just long enough to find a group to run something. Let alone actually get to accept the group invite and get to the instance. Most raiding schedules and my personal schedule don't really mix.
Al in SoCal Oct 14th 2009 7:30PM
On the total opposite of this, I can only raid if it's completely planned since I have significant partner agreements for playing on certain days, for certain time stretches. If it's 'on the fly' I can rarely join in. Family aggro ensues if there is considerable 'overage'.
Random Oct 15th 2009 7:08AM
Anom, it's also fair to point out that some people don't have the additional time it takes to fund regular raiding, not to mention gems/enchants. Incoming wall of text example.
I have a friend who works second shift, averaging 10 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week. He doesn't have time to jump on WoW and run a few dailies, or jump on WoW and do some farming. When he gets on WoW, he wants to spend his limited time doing something fun, and sometimes that means dailies or questing, and more often that means running heroics or BGS or trying to PuG a raid. (Me, I hate dailies, so I sympathize with him.) So the upshot is that he has every piece of Conquest badge gear he can get and the rest of his slots are full of T7 pieces he's picked up in PuGs, and he doesn't have enough income to enchant and gem his not-so-amazing gear to the max. He's also only exalted with tabard factions, isn't a champion with the Tournament, and the last few times he got on, I know for a fact that he was working on the Wrathgate quest chain rather than grinding... whatever. And he WON'T grind... whatever... unless it's fun because he doesn't have time for it.
Now, I will say that I love running with this guy. He knows his class inside and out, has a great eye for tactics, and uses every tool in the mage toolkit. (Yes, all three colors of fireballs. :-D) So the guy's got skill. But his enchants... well, he's a scribe, so he has a great shoulder enchant, and he has the head enchant, and his Turning Tide, of which he is quite proud, has the best weapon enchant because he splurged after getting it unanimously awarded to him on a PuG. (Yes, he is that good. That and the holy pally had already won a bunch of stuff. :-D) Other than that, his enchants are the low-budget version or don't exist. His gemming is top-notch in terms of what he prioritizes, but it's only about half epic gems. This is because he doesn't have time to spend grinding rep/money.
I'd go with him to any raid he was geared for any time, and he likes raiding, but ToC10 is pushing it for him, and he knows it. He might raid with a weekend guild if he tripped on one that he liked, but even if a casual guild that raided at 2 AM a couple of weekdays and normal times weekend evenings and that didn't mind if he didn't show because he stayed at work late or got called in recruited him, he doesn't have the extra time to spend grinding and farming to get the enchants and gems and repair money and flask money and get his cooking and fishing leveled for high-end food and so on. And while he likes raiding, he HATES being carried... wants to feel like he's contributing... so he'd never sponge all that stuff off the guild unless it provides those things for everyone, and I don't know many guilds that do that... certainly none that are just weekend raiders. So while he meets your criteria of someone who could totally raid, based on his skill, he flat does not have the time for any sort of regular raiding, and this expansion is moving too fast for people like him to keep up by only running one or two raids a week.
TL;DR: Skill goes a long way, but there are, in fact, minimum time requirements for raiding.
Random Oct 15th 2009 7:11AM
Anom, it's also fair to point out that some people don't have the additional time it takes to fund regular raiding, not to mention gems/enchants. Incoming wall of text example.
I have a friend who works second shift, averaging 10 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week. He doesn't have time to jump on WoW and run a few dailies, or jump on WoW and do some farming. When he gets on WoW, he wants to spend his limited time doing something fun, and sometimes that means dailies or questing, and more often that means running heroics or BGS or trying to PuG a raid. (Me, I hate dailies, so I sympathize with him.) So the upshot is that he has every piece of Conquest badge gear he can get and the rest of his slots are full of T7 pieces he's picked up in PuGs, and he doesn't have enough income to enchant and gem his not-so-amazing gear to the max. He's also only exalted with tabard factions, isn't a champion with the Tournament, and the last few times he got on, I know for a fact that he was working on the Wrathgate quest chain rather than grinding... whatever. And he WON'T grind... whatever... unless it's fun because he doesn't have time for it.
Now, I will say that I love running with this guy. He knows his class inside and out, has a great eye for tactics, and uses every tool in the mage toolkit. (Yes, all three colors of fireballs. :-D) So the guy's got skill. But his enchants... well, he's a scribe, so he has a great shoulder enchant, and he has the head enchant, and his Turning Tide, of which he is quite proud, has the best weapon enchant because he splurged after getting it unanimously awarded to him from a PuG. Other than that, his enchants are the low-budget version or don't exist. His gemming is top-notch in terms of what he prioritizes, but it's only about half epic gems. This is because he doesn't have time to spend grinding rep/money.
I'd go with him to any raid he was geared for any time, and he likes raiding, but ToC10 is pushing it for him, and he knows it. He might raid with a weekend guild if he tripped on one that he liked, but even if a casual guild that raided at 2 AM a couple of weekdays and normal times weekend evenings and that didn't mind if he didn't show because he stayed at work late or got called in recruited him, he doesn't have the extra time to spend grinding and farming to get the enchants and gems and repair money and flask money and get his cooking and fishing leveled for high-end food and so on. And while he likes raiding, he HATES being carried... wants to feel like he's contributing... so he'd never sponge all that stuff off the guild unless it provides those things for everyone, and I don't know many guilds that do that... certainly none that are just weekend raiders. So while he meets your criteria of someone who could totally raid, based on his skill, he flat does not have the time for any sort of regular raiding, and this expansion is moving too fast for people like him to keep up by only running one or two raids a week.
TL;DR: Skill goes a long way, but there are, in fact, minimum time requirements for raiding.
Random Oct 15th 2009 7:13AM
Man, a wall of text comment is a bad one to hit WoW.com's fail comment system. Now I feel like a right proper ass.
Skonged Oct 14th 2009 11:16AM
"Do you have time to raid?"
If you have two hours then yes you do. Just set a date and time with your guild. If time is an issue say "I only have two hours and then have to go" your spot should not to too hard to fill or that may be a good stopping point for the raid until the next date.
EderX Oct 14th 2009 12:34PM
^ This is important. As a raid leader of a casual guild, we have some members who need to leave at a certain time (due to self-imposed bedtime or homework/work schedule), and we have members who can not make the start of the raid (different time zones, sports, etc). It's very helpful and considerate when people say ahead of time "I have to leave at 10 server" or "I wont be on until 9:30 server". Usually I can promise a spot to the latter when the former leaves and it helps keep things moving.
All I'm saying is always let the raid leader know your time constraints ahead of time, it lets them plan the run easier and keep everything moving.
ersatzplanet Oct 14th 2009 11:19AM
Time has always been the problem with my gameplay. I seldom have the block of time needed to do raiding an it has become a catch-22 for me - I have 2 level 80 toons who have never raided, who have never been in an instance and because of that my raid-play would be SO noob that I am reluctant to even try. I may have to start with my low level toons to get the chops to offer a raid anything of value.
Skonged Oct 14th 2009 11:29AM
Wait a second! So you dinged 80 twice from questing and don't know how to play your class? From what I have been told leveling is THE way to learn your class. So there is really no difference starting at 80 over starting level 1. Either way you are going to have to relearn your class at max level.
Interesting.
X Oct 14th 2009 11:36AM
If you have time to get 2 toons to 80 then you at least have some time for some Reg. and Heroic instances. It sounds like you may be a little apprehensive about it, and I was as well. I never did anything in a formal instance or raid until I hit 70 (back when that was level cap). I finally decided 'what the heck' and gave it a shot, and it was a great decision.
If you are worried about your gearing and/or performance then that isn't an issue. You are level 80, so start off in something like Regular nexus. Once you get a feel for how a group works, and maybe pick up some new dungeon blues, you'll be ready for some heroics to get more badges/gear/etc. Not to mention, now that the content has been out this long, a lot of it is so easy for veteran players that taking a new 80, even in greens, along for the ride isn't going to hurt a thing. OS25 can be done with a pretty small group of people, and it's common to see open spots in there, so why can't you be one of them? Also, gear from there and the other original Rath raids isn't as good as what most people now are sporting, so the odd's of you getting gear is pretty great.
I remember the night my wife hit 80, we got her like 4 or 5 epics in a very short amount of time. It was a great experience for her to jump right into things.
For me, I started mostly in PUG's and things, but even if you have to do that it will pay off. You will group with all kinds of people, some will be jerks, but you'll find others that keep inviting you back.
Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, but you can still really enjoy Raid encounters and fun group experiences even if you are really pressed for time. VoA and OS and Ony are super quick raids, and heroics and other instances are as well.
mikejl Oct 14th 2009 11:37AM
You are not alone.. I dinged 70 twice in BC and did not raid. Its just not part of the game I enjoy that much. I enjoy leveling, crafting, exploring. I do not set aside scheduled times, use add-ons or voice chat. So raiding just does not work.
Rod Oct 14th 2009 12:07PM
Skonged said
*Wait a second! So you dinged 80 twice from questing and don't know how to play your class? From what I have been told leveling is THE way to learn your class. So there is really no difference starting at 80 over starting level 1. Either way you are going to have to relearn your class at max level.*
You don't level up soloing as a healer, or tanking (except aoeladin but you don't use the same spec) and you want aggro if you are not a tank. You don't know how to play your class if you never group up, or at least you don't have the practice.
Skonged Oct 14th 2009 2:07PM
"You don't level up soloing as a healer, or tanking (except aoeladin but you don't use the same spec) and you want aggro if you are not a tank. You don't know how to play your class if you never group up, or at least you don't have the practice."
Exactly my point. You don't really learning your class in a raid environment UNTIL your level 80. So why not have the option to start at level 80 to start learning your class?
Ydrisselle Oct 14th 2009 8:14PM
Same here. I'm playing a feral druid with a bear and a cat spec; she dinged lvl80 at December. But since then I only have 5 Emblems of Heroism, and nothing else. I don't like to tank an instance I don't know, and I can never go as a dps since almost everybody could deal damage. I didn't have the chance to learn the instances as I wanted to do - so I rather don't go anywhere and still have half-blue gear. (of course it don't help that I don't have a guild since almost 4 years, and I've never felt that I need one)
drknmky Oct 14th 2009 11:26AM
Great Article!! Im happily in my perfect "Guild Fit" but where would someone look/research to find their perfect guild if there starting from scratch?
Samantha Smith Oct 14th 2009 11:31AM
great article, i thought i would never have time to raid, i work part time at night and have two small children. But I made it work. I make 3 or the 4 raid nights a week and my guild takes high lvl items likes flasks, gems, and enchanting supplies and uses them as bonus EP so i can earn back my missed ep from that night that way. Luckily my kids are good sleepers and my raid starts at their bedtime, perfect, i make sure i am raid ready and at the location when i log on so i dont waste anyones time. Of course, i also made sure i found a guild that is understanding that if there was a kid emergency i would have to afk. I chose my guild because theres usually extra, more casual raiders on to fill in if i had to afk for a prolonged period of time.
And for those who say they would feel bad joining a raiding guild because they are too noob, just be honest in your app, most ppl are more than willing to give you advice and help you run heroic to gear up and get badges. Just so long as you are willing to accept constructive critisim. Oh, but make sure your advice is comming from someone who knows what their talking about, I myself recieved some bad advice on my pally alt and wasted alot of gold gems and glyphs.
happy raiding.
erknost Oct 14th 2009 11:31AM
How can someone know the time zone of other realms?