WoW Rookie: Do you have time to raid?

They're the names on everyone's lips: Lord Jaraxxus. Onyxia. Yogg-Saron. You're dying (literally!) to see these larger-than-life figures – but now that it's almost time to look for a solid guild and get about the business of raiding, you find doubt bubbling to the surface. Work, school, family, other hobbies ... Raiding is supposedly an intense pursuit. Do you have the time it takes to be a successful raider?
The short answer: Yes, you do have time. If you want to raid, somewhere out there is a guild that will work for you. The player population of WoW is so immense that finding a raid that fits your goals and schedule is certainly within the realm of possibility (if not within the actual realm you currently play on -- pardon the pun). We obviously can't tell each and every one of you exactly where to look for a custom fit, but we can give you some starting points to help you identify what to look for in the first place.
What type of raid experience do you want? If you aspire to bleeding-edge play in a guild that knocks out realm and world firsts, expect to put in plenty of time. There's no way around that. High-end progression guilds typically raid more weeknights than not, plus every weekend. Most have strict attendance policies. At the other end of the spectrum, if you merely want to taste what's available in WoW's endgame, you might find that PUG raids satisfy your appetite. There's a whole range of guilds in between those extremes, so don't grab at the first thing that passes by. Decide what you want, first.
How often can you raid? The average guild (if there is such a thing) probably raids three to four times a week for three to four hours at a time (with the longer stretches occurring on weekends). That said, there are plenty of guilds that raid more or that raid less. Be realistic about what you have to offer, because joining a raiding guild should ideally be a fairly long-term commitment. Don't optimistically stretch yourself too thin, or you'll be courting burnout before you've even begun.
What hours are you available? If your play times seem at odds with those of the guilds on your realm, consider transferring to a realm in another time zone that meshes more closely with your schedule.
How much uninterrupted time can you devote? A challenging raid should demand your undivided attention – no interruptions from roommates, children, work, parents, homework ... If this is something you can't guarantee, you should think twice about making a commitment that has ramifications for the nine to 24 other raid members who are relying on you to perform.

What about expectations outside of raids? Some guilds are large enough, geared enough and progressed enough that newer members are literally showered with unused gear. Other groups, however, may need new members to farm up their own upgrades in PUGs, Heroics and older raid content.
No matter what size your guild is, you'll need time to keep up to date on the guild forums and research any need-to-know strategies before raids. You'll want to stay on top of the latest developments and tactics for your class and spec. You'll probably need to run a few dailies or do some farming to stay even with repair fees and consumable costs.
Your guild's size and focus will dictate some of these non-raid expectations. More social guilds may expect you to be available for grouping and casual runs on non-raid nights. Larger guilds may allow you to slip in and out of raids relatively unnoticed, while smaller, more personal groups may call for a little more face time.
The learning curve
As a new raider, expect a learning curve of a month or more when you'll be excitedly obsessing over every last detail of your new pastime. As you become more experienced, things will slow down a little and you'll be able to "compartmentalize" your raiding and integrate it into your usual life. If you're in raiding for the long haul, expect your schedule and interest to fluctuate around your guild's progression (Biff! Bam! The end boss of your current instance!) and game content (Boom! Pow! A content patch! An expansion!).
The takeaway: yes, you can raid with your schedule. Don't grab the first (biggest/most progressed/most well known) guild that comes along. Ask plenty of questions about a potential guild's schedule and what they expect in terms of attendance. There's a fit for everyone, as long as you ask the questions that will help you find it. Good luck and happy raiding!
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 4)
Lisa Poisso Oct 14th 2009 11:38AM
This is one easy place to see: http://www.wowrealmstatus.net/timezones.php?t=1
erknost Oct 14th 2009 11:51AM
Amazing! Thank you very much Lisa!
starphaser Oct 14th 2009 11:33AM
It's also really good to check out your server forums to see if there's any guild recruiting who matches your time schedule. This really did great for me, as I was in a casual guild and wanted to raid. A quick look in the forums got me into a raiding guild that eventually disbanded, but i got to know a lot of great people. Now I am in a guild with them, and we've downed all 10 man content so far, and we're working our way through 25 man. :)
Samantha Smith Oct 14th 2009 11:39AM
you really should have tried running lower lvl intances as you lvled, but really the game changes completely at max lvl so dont worry too much about that. i myself just lvled a pally alt I abandoned during the burning crusade from mid 60's to 80. So much had changed with the class that I had no idea where to even start. Most guild wont mind offering you advice and help getting gear and learning your class. You could also search your class online and look at blogs on this site for great advice. Before you know it you will be raid ready, even if its just a few pugs here or there. If you apply for a guild just be honest that you are pretty inexperienced, but willing to learn. Most casual guilds wont mind a bit and probably wont mind you filling in here and there on raids you can make. I really regret not making more time to raid previously. its alot of fun, and theres alot of really great story and lore in those raids.
FINFIN Oct 14th 2009 11:58AM
I tend to stick with joining guilds with the players I have worked with in the past and based off their reccomendations I either join or not. Rule 1 is if you know someone you get along with I have found you will usually get along with the people that are in the guild. Personalities travel in packs so to speak.
I havent been with many raiding guilds but the ones I havae been with were progressive end game types who helped me jump the learning curve rather quickly. Second point for me is what time they raid. I am a late night guy because of the kids being up etc so I cant raid early so being able to find a guild that fits my schedule is imperative.
And leveling is very different from raiding when learning to play your class thats why the instances on your way to 80 are so important to learn you class mechanics and how they align with other players. You can level to 80 pretty much following a questhelper arrow and not learn a thing.
Innocente Oct 14th 2009 12:05PM
For me, I am tired of raiding. The repetition of the same thing over and over and over again, just to get a piece of gear? Blech. Raided into Ulduar and was with a guild that had Naxx on farm (Holy Priest, so I always went).
I much prefer just seeing new mobs, quests, world areas and such. I really love one-time events, like the Zombie Plague just prior to the release of WotLK.
Looking forward to rolling a new character to experience the re-formed Old-World.
More fresh stuff and less repetitive grind, please.
Otherwise, the only way to see new stuff and do new things is to play other games.
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Nick Oct 14th 2009 12:34PM
I don't have time to raid. I'm at university, I work weekends, I am part of 2 sports teams and try to keep in touch with friends outside those groups. If I wanted to raid something else in my life would have to give, and I don't want to raid that badly.
WoW is still fun without raids, Heroics and guildchat are all I really pay my subscription for, and so far its still worth the money.
Tim Oct 14th 2009 12:46PM
I am happy that I found a casual guild. I like to raid but seriously. I have a career and a social life outside the game. I like hanging around real people in the real world more than in the virtual world. I enjoy the game but in the end that's all it is. It's not my job nor is it my whole life. Also it does seem the trend with blizzard that they are making it easier for casual raiders to raid all the content. Keeping the raids open longer is a good idea and I hope they keep improving that plan.
catharsis80 Oct 14th 2009 12:59PM
@Anom
It isn't that much of what you are saying is wrong, it's quite right. It's your attitude and approach that shows that you hate and are not willing to work with people who have not done the same research we have. To me, THAT is laziness. Many people simply don't know about rotations or where to look. If you take 30 seconds to explain it to them, it does wonders. Rather than calling people stupid, ignorant, "shitty", and anything else in your pro vocabulary, try being kind and pointing them to where they can get help, without them feeling absolutely worthless. When I have told fellow guildies, or people just plain asking, where to get info for their class and/or rotations, etc., they are usually abounding with thank yous and get right to it. It makes them a better player, encourages camaraderie, and simply makes the entire realm better in the long run, little by little.
catharsis80 Oct 14th 2009 1:00PM
And this was SUPPOSED to be posted under that previous comment. Guess I'll copy and paste and go do that.
Modpapa Oct 14th 2009 1:25PM
a quick question--I've only ever played on one server, have no idea what other servers time zones are--and now I can only raid late nights--is there somewhere to see what time zone a particular realm is? If I could find a realm that uses the Pacific time zone I think I'd be able to make raids a whole lot more often.
I know how to find the ratios of Horde to Alliance, population, etc...just having trouble finding somewhere to look up time zones--any help is most appreciated!
sprout_daddy Oct 14th 2009 1:32PM
You can find out time zones for servers at Warcraft Realms (http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php), but be wary - just because a server is PST vs. EST doesn't mean ANYONE on it actually lives on the Pacific Time Zone. I can't raid before 8pm PST, and I have had very little luck finding guilds on any PST server that still have this time. It's odd, since I assume that a significant portion of WoW players are on PST, but mostly what I have found on the PST servers are guilds that still start runs at 7 or 8 EST - they just bump the start time up to accommodate for server differences.
It's frustrating, coming from the east coast where it was easy to pick up a raiding guild that worked for my time zone, to where I can't ever track one down.
Wistin Oct 14th 2009 2:04PM
The guild I am in has a set of very well adjusted and skilled players. However, there comes a point every expansion where we just peter out. It isn't that those players become unskilled, they either burn out, move on or just plain stop playing.
It then becomes a problem that feeds upon itself. Those who stay become more frustrated because now they either have to start over with new people or not go.
In this expansion we started out fairly well. We finished the content that was available before the first new raid was added (IE: we finished Malygos before Ulduar came in). We were doing pretty well in Ulduar then summer happened. People quit and we are back to starting over. In fact, we are still canceling raids due to people not signing up.
It is a struggle. We have some players that rightfully consider this to be a game so don't really "work" at it. It adds frustration to the other players who take their 3-4 hours on raid nights more seriously. Neither view is wrong, but they are not compatible. It has been said here on this site that raiding casually is not the same as casually raiding.
Now, it looks like I'm doing nothing but complaining but that isn't the case. I have given out resources (gems, enchantments, advice, time in dungeons to help gear up) to help bring up the gear level of the newer raiders. I do not begrudge them their time in the game. I do, sometimes, feel like we've reached a brick wall on progress due the apathy factor. There are those in the guild who go with outside raiding organizations and so they do get to experience the content. Personally, I can't do that. All of the organizations have raiding times that go well past my play time which is what it is because I don't like falling asleep on the drive to work in the morning.
catharsis80 Oct 14th 2009 2:34PM
"because I don't like falling asleep on the drive to work in the morning."
I feel you there. I have one guy ask me to heal for raids starting at 1 am. I'm like, "Are you serious? It's 1 a.m. right now. It won't end for hours. I need sleep NOW."
ersatzplanet Oct 14th 2009 4:36PM
I guess my worries are more on not be used to the dynamics of the raid scene and screwing up. My 80s who have never raided/instanced are a Mage and a Priest. The mage would be easier to adapt to since I imagine the role in the group is very similar - stand back and blast. The Priest is another story. She got to 80 as a shadow priest all the way. I have never played the role of a healer very much so in a group situation where healing would be the expected role of the Priest, I would really do a poor job. I know how to play my toons as anyone in the game does - by the way they used them. You can't get to 80 without SOME knowledge of how to play that class. I just know how to play a PvE solo character. The problem with learning theses group dynamics is that being already a 80 means the raids and instances will either be too easy to start in or you would be expected to know more than you do because of their difficulty.
Arrayna Oct 15th 2009 1:01AM
This is a great article, I have been developing and raid leading 2 guilds (that have failed and now trying again on another server, 3 is lucky charm? i hope) in a manner that attempt to be human and understanding that this is a game. For the most part I have been quite lient in people (mostly men) leaving the guild to attend their family/girlfriends. However, its difficult finding a middle ground for raids vs RL and still attempting to progress through things. Its the middle guilds, the not completely social guilds and the not total spend 15 hrs per raid guild. that are mocked upon, because we do not progress, or consistently frowned upon. Mainly because it is my raid leaders guidance to helping the mid-level raider progress to move to the stature of "leet" raider. I have spent many raid time gearing, teaching, and "grooming" raiders to have them leave my guild for a "hardcore" raiding guild that is more intense. Where do you find the middle as a raider to say ok enough is enough?
All I'm really trying to say is that there are guilds that are willing to help out the mid-level, the working man or woman, family man or woman, such as mine. But a bit more appreciate and acknowledgement to those guilds like mine would be appreciated and recognized. Because it is these attempts to satisfy the gamer in a family man (or woman) that have to work against the odds of both the elitists and socialists.
Thebao Oct 15th 2009 5:53AM
I am in a Guild with many real life friends and we are casual players. We have a desire to raid but we only manage to scrape together for a 10 man run. To us, the most important thing about WoW is to have fun. We never apply pressure to anyone to logon and play at a certain time as we all understand that we all have different priorities i.e. friends outside Azeroth, partners, study, work, family or whatever.
We try to arrange things and when we do, we ask for honesty. If they can't make it then that's fine but we just ask that they tell us that they are not going to be on - don't need a reason. To be honest, we never try to organise much anymore, if there are 10 people on and they happen to have a few hours to play then we will try to make the most of it and do something as a Guild but we do require people to specifically set time aside otherwise we will kick them out of the Guild or whatever. The important thing is to have fun.
We try to recruit and when we do, we do tell them that we are casual and that if they want to join, they are welcome to but normally suggest that they try a 5 man with a group or join a raid and if it's not what they are looking for then feel free to look for another Guild - we are very relaxed about things like this. We want you to have fun and to enjoy playing with us and not your undevoted commitment to raid with us at the drop of a hat. It's only a game afterall.
Thebao Oct 15th 2009 5:56AM
Sorry, fingers are not working ...
Second paragraph should be 'we do NOT require people to specifically set time aside otherwise we will kick them out of the Guild or whatever' otherwise my post will be quite contradictory!
bigjonno Oct 15th 2009 12:30PM
This article needs a bigger warning about what you need to do to supply yourself for raiding. Most guilds that take raiding seriously are going to expect you to have flasks, buff food and keep your gear gemmed and enchanted to a reasonable standard. You'll probably have repair costs as well, which can get very expensive if you're doing something new and wiping frequently.
Unless you're incredibly lucky, you'll either be financing all this yourself or if a lot of the stuff is coming from your guild, you'll probably be expected to contribute in some way. It all adds up fast and ensuring you have the gold for all this stuff is very time consuming. You may think to yourself "Yes, I've got time to raid for three hours, three times a week," but make sure you have a few hours for resource gathering as well.
I'm completely bored of all the daily quest/heroic dungeon/mat grinding type stuff, but I'm lucky enough to have a wife who takes great pleasure in her multi-character gathering/crafting business empire and doesn't mind financing my raiding in exchange for daily transmutes and other crafty things.