Hands-on with Puggable
So what's the verdict? While Puggable's basic mechanics seem to work (by following their instructions, you can get a group into voice chat), the system itself is not quite ready for prime-time. Not only does it have an installation process that most cautious WoW account holders will scoff at (you have to install an Internet Explorer or Firefox addon, and restart your browser to use the service), but the real draw of the system, being able to browse and see player information at a moment's notice, aren't all there quite yet. Read on for our experiences.
Upon pulling up the Puggable.com page, there's no homepage or sign-in -- you simply get a prompt for your geographic location, realm, and character name, and that appears to log you in to the service. After doing so, you get another popup, and here lies the problem: the page asks you install a plugin from Vivox. This plugin is how the whole thing works -- it hooks up to your mic and speakers and allows your browser to work as a voice chat client (rather than a dedicated app like Ventrilo, which most players are currently using already). However, installation of any browser plugin is clumsy, first and foremost because they're one of the main ways hackers and spammers can cause trouble. So it's likely that if you do try to install Vivox's plugin in Firefox, you'll get a warning, which Vivox then says you should ignore, and install the app anyway. You must do so to actually use the service.
In Vivox's defense, as long as you follow their instructions, the plugin will install easily and quickly. As major browser addons go, they did this about as well as they could (and of course the plugin is not harmful at all, and won't cause your account to be hacked). But especially with the WoW audience already on guard against third-party installations and software, this will likely be a hard sell for the players joining a random PuG who have never heard of this service.
From there, you move on to the main Puggable page -- your character is listed along with any other characters that are in your "PUG"/chatroom, and there's also options to set the instance or boss that you're working on (along with dynamic links to a number of WoW databases and other resources). Up in the top left corner, there's a link that says "Share this PUG," and that's where the crux of the system's benefit comes in: You can simply give other players a URL for them to plug into their browser, and as long as they have the Puggable plugin installed, they will join your chat immediately. No sharing Vent IPs or passwords, no multiple Vent servers to deal with, just put the URL in and go.
In practice, it might not be that easy -- I got it working on two different computers, though our own Alex Ziebart had trouble getting the browser plugin to recognize his sound (as you can see in the gallery, there's a window to choose a sound source, but if your mic isn't recognized, you won't see it on there). Especially for people with complicated sound setups, the browser plugin might not work right away on install. It may need a bit of tweaking, just like any other audio application.
The other big draw for Puggable is supposedly that you can see and browse other players' information quickly (from achievements to specs to how many emblems they have), but that worked infrequently for me, even on the character that I was signed into. I assume it connects to the Armory, so if the Armory is down or having issues, Puggable will as well. Plus, the whole system is in beta, so it may not be working correctly quite yet. But then again, all of that information is already available elsewhere, so it's not a big loss even when it doesn't come up.
And that's about it, from what we saw -- it's a voice chat app that's built into the browser rather than a separate program. Will people use it? Obviously that browser plugin installation is a potential obstacle to overcome, especially for people who aren't tech savvy and have already heard warnings about installing third-party apps related to World of Warcraft. Plus, most people already have Vent working, and the task of switching to a new voice chat application may be tougher to overcome than the current frustrations of trying to get everyone in a PuG into a Vent server.
After all, the game already has voice chat, remember? (You might not -- no one I know has ever actually used it on the live realms.) If players have stuck with Vent rather than using even an official in-game client, it's going to be tough for Vivox to try and convince people to move over to their service. But you never know -- Puggable is still in a beta form right now, and it may grow more useful or easy-to-use as it gets closer to release.






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
BBslick Oct 15th 2009 7:11PM
Yay thx
Kroax Oct 15th 2009 7:14PM
Looks interesting. I hope it catches on.
brammage Oct 15th 2009 7:19PM
How about just fixing the existing in-game chat? My friends and I used to use it, but it hasn't worked at all since maybe early September.
Samuel Reese Oct 15th 2009 7:22PM
Judging by the way it sounds, I highly doubt anyone would really want to use this for sanity's sake. From what I read here, they seriously expect me to click on a link provided by someone I don't know (in a PUG) to connect to a service that I may or may not be aware of, while forcing me to download some sort of additional "Plug-in" that may or may not be some sort of keylogging piece of software?
Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather stick with text-only or the in-game method than risk being hacked thanks to some sort of "nifty web browser feature" that does nothing better than a quick lookup on WoW-Heroes and the in-game chat could accommodate. Yes, painful, but at least I know it's supposed to be there, and Ventrilo servers don't send "additonal downloads" to you if they've got a dedicated server.
lazymangaka Oct 15th 2009 8:25PM
Wait. I can understand your hesitance to randomly click on a link in a PuG for a site that you don't know, but why in the world would you ever be suspicious of Puggable? It's from a legitimate developer, endorsed by WoW journalists, and requires little more than a Firefox plugin--and if you have Firefox, odds are you've installed more than one plugin for it. In fact, I'd say that as soon as it's released we'll see it on the official Firefox website, which will just further confirm its harmlessness.
And, for the record, I too had totally forgotten that there was an in-game chat option.
Samuel Reese Oct 16th 2009 8:11AM
"I can understand your hesitance to randomly click on a link in a PuG for a site that you don't know, but why in the world would you ever be suspicious of Puggable?"
Yes, because nobody ever receives legitimate looking in-game mail that looks like it's from someone you know and trust, click on said link, and then download a keylogger because of it.
I'm suspicious of any and all links that point to anywhere outside of the game. Even if I know you, I'm not going to click on any random link to "check out some nifty feature". No WoW journalist is ever going to convince me that such a risk is improbable either, seeing that it still happens on a daily basis. Then again, I may be one of the few people who haven't been intentionally infected with a virus in a decade (and no it's not because I own a Mac, I'm on Windows 7 and just know to be prudent on clicking random things).
WoWie Zowie Oct 15th 2009 7:30PM
it doesn't have raids as a pug option =\
i wanted to try to get a TK or BT run with this but looks like i can't
catharsis80 Oct 15th 2009 7:33PM
I've always been baffled why we won't use in-game sound. I mean, it even puts a little speaker icon over whoever's currently talking doesn't it? That's incredibly useful for when people say "heal me" and I have no idea who is saying that because I'm not running in windowed mode. Even if I was, I'm not going to constantly keep looking over at Vent to see who's talking.
t0xic Oct 15th 2009 7:44PM
You care? I don't heal any differently when people are yelling "heal me!"
GEK Oct 15th 2009 8:13PM
I flat out refuse to heal ANYONE that says that.
I don't shout out "DPS! DPS!" or "TANK!" do I?
you do your job I will do mine
The Coalition for Abused Healers
catharsis80 Oct 19th 2009 4:25PM
Hmm, no, I don't. Good point.
tonedeff Oct 15th 2009 7:34PM
How come everyone hates ingame chat so much? I remember using it back in BC when Kara was fresh, I didn't seem to find any problems with it. BUT I haven't used it since. basicly cause no one else ever wants top use it, they would rather use vent.
Why is in game chat so bad?
Why doesn't blizzard do anything to make it better?
pot Oct 16th 2009 2:11AM
I was wondering the same thing. I never see anyone use it and it was the same way with LOTROs voice chat system as well.
Wellsee Oct 16th 2009 8:51AM
I play with 3 friends, and we used the in-game chat for a year before I finally set up a free vent server for us, which we like better for two main reasons.
First of all, the in-game chat gets messed up if you logout and back in. What most often occurred to us is that the person relogging couldn't be heard so that person would have to restart the game. Checking forums I found that others had this problem, it has existed for a while, and a couple of workarounds were found, but Blizz wasn't addressing the problem.
The other thing that works better in vent than in-game is there is less lag in vent. The in-game chat seemed to lag from .5 to 3 seconds sometimes, which was frustrating with the overtalking.
It is too bad, I'd rather use the built-in function.
tamig Oct 15th 2009 7:47PM
I'm mainly on a server with an ' (apostrophe) in it's name and Puggable doesn't seem to recognise it; it can find my toons on every other server except my main one. So that's annoying.
And then it won't take my mic settings (or randomly sets itself to mute anyway). So that rules it out.
I'll stick with text.
industria Oct 15th 2009 8:25PM
I don't understand why there's so much hate on the in-game Voice system. I've used it since I started playing WoW well over a year ago and I've never had a problem. It's a much simpler and more streamlined system than using WoW plus Ventrilo for me.
YeahDouche Oct 15th 2009 8:44PM
Well, I hate it because it simply does not work.
My friend and I tried everything we could to set it up (tweaking settings etc.) - we just couldn't hear each others voices, and yes, our mics and speakers are fine when using ventrilo.
Does it really work for you?
I don't understand why blizz has not fixed this yet, should be fairly easy to program.
Vetali Oct 15th 2009 8:40PM
Thanks Mike and Everyone,
Good, helpful comments. I'm glad you saw the point of Puggable. We definitely have a ways to go to make it great. These comments will help us get there. Here's what we're going to work on given this feedback:
* Make the voice plugin part even more optional: You can use Puggable without voice as a way of sorting out your Pug and then getting access to tactics and loot from the instances you are running. Instead of prompting the install of the voice plugin at the front, we're going to let you get into the Pug page and then have an "add voice" button after your name. Each Pug can decide if they want to use the voice features or not. Hopefully, as the site's reputation grows, everyone will realize that it's safe to install the plugin. Until then, you should still be able to use the other parts of the site.
* Cache Armory data: We've been working on this for a while, but it's not live yet, thus, as you said, when the Armory is down, the data doesn't show on Puggable. Here's another good reminder of why we need to finish the caching database.
* Adjust the Instances: We're going to pull out all the non-end-game instances from the list, and add in the raids. The instance list should be easier to navigate.
* Fix the apostrophe bug: We found that one yesterday and didn't get it fixed in time for this article. Ouch.
* Better support for EU servers: We've gotten some email from people saying that EU servers aren't well represented. Gotta fix that or remove them until we can do it right.
* PVP? We've had some great suggestions for offering a PVP switch in Puggable. Instead of showing PVE stats, we'd show PVP stats (Arena scores, honor kills, etc). Thoughts on that?
Anything else? Please go to the site and hit the Feedback tab, or leave a comment here. We're intensely interested in your suggestions for improving Puggable.
Thanks again for your review and comments.
Byagi Oct 15th 2009 9:39PM
I got my invite yesterday and I fiddled with it a bit. I really like what I see, and I think with a little work, it's going to be a decent alternative. The plugin is a firefox plugin, and if you use FF, you're probably comfy with using and installing them. That part was simple for me. The only bummer I've found is that there aren't any people on my server (the venture co) testing it out, so I can't really tell you how it works.
I definitely think this needs to be integrated into chrome.
I'm sick of vent for a lot of reasons, so something streamlined and simple like this could be great.
ksmith Oct 16th 2009 3:04PM
Just use skype.