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10-27-2009 @ 8:38PM
Will you be able to ignore peeps cross-realm? if not, the LFG system will still pair you up with people cross-realm who've you had bad experiences with in the past. It will be up to you (or your mod) to remember which realm/character you'd rather not group with, not to mention the 15 minute deserter buff or the hassle of voting to kick out.Also, pure melee can't roll on spellpower, but what about the other way around?I'm pretty sure rogues will be pissed when mages and locks roll on a pure melee dagger.
10-27-2009 @ 8:56PM
"Also, pure melee can't roll on spellpower, but what about the other way around?I'm pretty sure rogues will be pissed when mages and locks roll on a pure melee dagger."This is what we call an example, use your powers of deduction. Example: Something that serves to illustrate or explain a rule. (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/example)Fear not StabbyMcStabbins, your daggers won't be able to be taken from you.
10-27-2009 @ 9:20PM
@Noscy, I appreciate that you so highly value my powers of deduction. I hate to break it out to you this way but I'm sorry to say my powers of deduction have no weight on what actually gets implemented in-game by Blizzard. The patch note specifically says "pure melee will be unable to roll on spell power items" and ends the clause. Nowhere does it say "pure melee will be unable to roll on spell power items for example" or "and vice-versa" or "and pure casters will be unable to roll on melee items". So, unless Blizzard has made a mistake in the wording, the rules are quite clear. Also, my only rogue is a classic lvl 19 twink so I wasn't really worrying about myself, just pointing out something that can easily be misunderstood ;-)
10-27-2009 @ 9:56PM
Lets take it further then, "Need Before Greed will now recognize gear appropriate for a class in three ways: the class must be able to equip the item"This sentence basically covers it, which is then followed by the example "pure melee will be unable to roll on spell power items, and classes are limited to their dominant armor type ..." Now there is nothing stopping a rogue who so happens to have a Spell Power ring in his/hers inventory and equipping it... correct? Whilst you don't stand to benefit from it, but you can equip it. This obviously goes for melee daggers for mages/lock/priests as well. The problem with the kind of clarification that you desire from Bliz is over the top. ie. Warriors can't roll on spell power items (rings, Necklaces, trinkets, staves, daggars, maces, swords, plate spell power)Repeat this 10 more times and it starts to get a little long winded.
10-27-2009 @ 10:13PM
You'll be able to friend people cross-realm and faction providing you know their battlenet handle. I'd assume you can also ignore them.
10-27-2009 @ 11:12PM
@Noscy Nope I'm sorry but you are just wrong. Let me spell it out for you.Need Before Greed will now recognize gear appropriate for a class in "three ways""three ways" as in three separate rules. These rules are for NEED rolls. Anybody can Greed any item.1. You must be able to equip the item. Example) 2 pure classes, one pure melee, one pure spellpower. * Rogues: all leather armor, cloth armor, necklaces, rings, cloaks, shirts, tabards, trinkets, and all weapons except 2-handers and wands.* Mages: all cloth armor, necklaces, rings, cloaks, shirts, tabards, trinkets, and weapons only including staves, wands, daggers and one-hand swords.* class-bound items are an exception I won't bother including.2. Pure melee will unable to roll on spell power items.This further limits the choices but ONLY for the Rogue in my "example". * Rogues: all leather armor, cloth armor, necklaces, rings, cloaks, shirts, tabards, trinkets, and all weapons except 2-handers, wands AND ANYTHING WITH SPELLPOWER.* Mages: Same as rule 1.3. Classes are limited to their dominant armor type.This further limits the choices but ONLY for the Rogue in my example.* Rogues: all leather armor ONLY, cloth armor, necklaces, rings, cloaks, shirts, tabards, trinkets, and all weapons except 2-handers, wands AND ANYTHING WITH SPELLPOWER.* Mages: Same as rule 1.With these rules in place, Rogues are unable to roll on any weapons with spell-power, but still Mages can roll on pure-melee daggers, feral druid staves, and pure-melee one-hand swords. Hope this clarifies my clarification more clearly.
10-27-2009 @ 11:14PM
Edit: remove cloth armor from Rule 3 for Rogues. Copy-paste FTL
10-27-2009 @ 11:33PM
Might have to agree to disagree, I'll eat humble pie if your prediction is right. But I cannot see the logic in Need system giving an unfair advantage to Mages and Co because it wasn't explicitly stated. Greed system seems to be more universal, if a rogue wants something and greed rolls for it he runs the risk of a mage nabbing it AND VICE-VERSA.
10-28-2009 @ 12:02AM
Of course it would be logical to be vice-versa, I totally agree with you on that. I'm just hoping it will turn out that way, but from what they have written in the patch notes, the updated rules still have some serious holes. Since it's just the PTR, here's to hoping they decide to block a few more of those holes while they are at it.
10-28-2009 @ 4:10AM
Yes, I know what you mean. Damn those pesky melee mages, always rolling in your rogue daggers...
10-28-2009 @ 10:33AM
I don't get you guys, all I was doing was pointing it out, no QQing from me as I'm a lock/druid. Don't go QQ'ing on the forums when spell casters steal your tanking sword, you can't ignore them cause they won't give you their battle.net handle, and the all-knowing LFG RNG pairs you with the same ninja every time.
10-28-2009 @ 11:26AM
@Eyhk"Don't go QQ'ing on the forums when spell casters steal your tanking sword, you can't ignore them cause they won't give you their battle.net handle, and the all-knowing LFG RNG pairs you with the same ninja every time."Do you really believe that blizzard thought to implement a function to keep Rogues from rolling on SP gear and wouldn't apply that same thing to a Mage rolling on melee gear?Also, who says they have to give their bnet handle? Since they are giving so much functionality to the ignore list I'm sure that it will apply cross-ream and you won't need their handle, that would be just silly.
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