Patch 3.3 PTR: Ghostcrawler explains Paladin changes
You know how it goes. Blizzard nerfs Paladins, Paladins shake their heads in disbelief, then break out the pitchforks and scream bloody murder for a bit, beg Blizzard not to push through with the changes, and eventually run home and cry into My Little Pony sheets and staining pink underwear. Sure enough, when the recent PTR patch notes hinted at nerfs to the Paladin class, the pitchfork-wielding and bloody murder-screaming ensued. We're now about to enter the stage of bargaining. It's still on the PTR, after all. For those wondering what the bed-wetting ruckus is all about, Sacred Shield was nerfed to proc only once every 30 seconds (essentially proccing only once every cast of the spell unless augmented with talents), Aura Mastery was nerfed to 6 seconds down from 10, and Lay on Hands is being primed to be uncastable on one's self.
Ghostcrawler said that he didn't "want to promise (they) won't change the spell for 3.3," but that players also shouldn't "worry too much on the Lay on Hands change at this point" since it didn't make it to the latest PTR build. He explains in the forums that Paladins are no longer just a support class (as they were for quite a long time), but that all the abilities over time have contributed to making the class feel like a "one-man army" that is able to play offensively, defensively, and essentially take on more challenges without having to change stances, forms, or even specs. In a rather snippy response to a troll crying (with My Little Pony blanket in hand) in the forums, Ghostcrawler simply said, "Dear OP, Bye. Hugs, GC."
Discussing the Sacred Shield change as soon as we got wind of it, I argued to the WoW.com team that it was a Retribution PvP nerf more than anything, and a push for Holy to use it more in its focused healing kit. Although it does hurt Paladin tanks, Ghostcrawler states that Blizzard's "overall goal is to make Ret less tanky." Guess what? Retribution only really "tanks" in PvP, where the repeated nerfs to the spec's burst has altered its playstyle to become one about survivability. With the nerf to Sacred Shield and the planned nerf to Lay on Hands, that survivability diminishes massively.
With retribution burst nerfed to the proverbial ground, and survivability seemingly about to fall on its face, there's still no sign of the much asked for PvP utility to compensate for the removal of burst (Paladins never got out of the bargaining stage, apparently). It had gotten to the point that protection had become a much more viable, fun, and admittedly OP spec to PvP with, necessitating some nerfs to the protection tree which continue with Patch 3.3. This includes the possible nerf to Lay on Hands (put down those pitchforks, people, the nerf isn't even live on the PTR yet) which would be, to put it bluntly, stinky and messy as Murloc poop.
The good news is that, again, this is still just the PTR. Things can still change, and this is why it's being tested. The hope is that Lay on Hands will come out of it unscathed, but again, Ghostcrawler didn't promise anything (no more promises from the crab!). If I were to venture a guess, the iconic spell will likely still get nerfed to a degree. Stay tuned to the PTR and WoW.com, and hold on to your pink undies.
Patch 3.3 is the last major patch of Wrath of the Lich King. With the new Icecrown Citadel 5-man dungeons and 10/25-man raid arriving soon, patch 3.3 will deal the final blow to the Arthas. WoW.com's Guide to Patch 3.3 will keep you updated with all the latest patch news.
Ghostcrawler said that he didn't "want to promise (they) won't change the spell for 3.3," but that players also shouldn't "worry too much on the Lay on Hands change at this point" since it didn't make it to the latest PTR build. He explains in the forums that Paladins are no longer just a support class (as they were for quite a long time), but that all the abilities over time have contributed to making the class feel like a "one-man army" that is able to play offensively, defensively, and essentially take on more challenges without having to change stances, forms, or even specs. In a rather snippy response to a troll crying (with My Little Pony blanket in hand) in the forums, Ghostcrawler simply said, "Dear OP, Bye. Hugs, GC."
Discussing the Sacred Shield change as soon as we got wind of it, I argued to the WoW.com team that it was a Retribution PvP nerf more than anything, and a push for Holy to use it more in its focused healing kit. Although it does hurt Paladin tanks, Ghostcrawler states that Blizzard's "overall goal is to make Ret less tanky." Guess what? Retribution only really "tanks" in PvP, where the repeated nerfs to the spec's burst has altered its playstyle to become one about survivability. With the nerf to Sacred Shield and the planned nerf to Lay on Hands, that survivability diminishes massively.
With retribution burst nerfed to the proverbial ground, and survivability seemingly about to fall on its face, there's still no sign of the much asked for PvP utility to compensate for the removal of burst (Paladins never got out of the bargaining stage, apparently). It had gotten to the point that protection had become a much more viable, fun, and admittedly OP spec to PvP with, necessitating some nerfs to the protection tree which continue with Patch 3.3. This includes the possible nerf to Lay on Hands (put down those pitchforks, people, the nerf isn't even live on the PTR yet) which would be, to put it bluntly, stinky and messy as Murloc poop.
The good news is that, again, this is still just the PTR. Things can still change, and this is why it's being tested. The hope is that Lay on Hands will come out of it unscathed, but again, Ghostcrawler didn't promise anything (no more promises from the crab!). If I were to venture a guess, the iconic spell will likely still get nerfed to a degree. Stay tuned to the PTR and WoW.com, and hold on to your pink undies.
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Reader Comments (Page 5 of 17)
pfunkmort Oct 28th 2009 7:35AM
you know...I have had a heated realm forum conversation about this (and the GC article you reference) for the past 3-4 hours...stemming from a long conversation last night when the info became readily available...many of these nerfs are VERY substantial changes. And the impact on the class is serious. Bad. Good. It's serious. And worth more than a fanboy trolling as the intro to the post - although the rest was accurate enough. I'm honestly a little disappointed that wow.com would treat it this way. (point of information : I AM a paladin tank - and often an OT - and that's the perspective in which I've been looking at the changes).
pfunkmort Oct 28th 2009 7:39AM
[edit] - I'm pretty BS about this article and its treatment of the paladin class.
jealouspirate Oct 28th 2009 7:53AM
He's clearly just joking around. I bet they would've used the same wording if any other class got major nerfs.
A class gets big nerfs, whether justified or not, and the playerbase has a tantrum.
/yawn
Just another day in WoW.
pfunkmort Oct 28th 2009 8:41AM
the player base hadn't and didn't have a tantrum. that's not what he's reporting on.
/yawn
he's reporting before any class specific player response.
It's pretty condescending.
Zach Oct 28th 2009 9:27AM
First of all, I play a Paladin as my main. I even wrote the Paladin column here for a bit. More than anything, it was written tongue-in-cheek with a bit of self-flagellation. Sorry if it was a bit insulting -- reading it now and forgetting that I play a Pally myself, I guess it CAN sound pretty harsh.
Anyway, players have already taken to the forums and starting harshly worded threads, so no, it's not a baseless post. Some of the posts even have official blue responses.
Brett Oct 28th 2009 1:22PM
Zach, what I think is a little irresponsible was you posting GC's comment out of its actual context to antagonize readers like that. GC's response was saying "Bye, OP" to an ORIGINAL POSTER, not the "Over-Powered" OP that immediately comes to mind. He says as much in a follow up post. Making it seem like the devs have such a cavalier attitude to nerfs was initially infuriating and alienating until I did the research and saw that GC was only waving goodbye to someone who told him to DIAF. try and be a little more savvy in the way you present your information, please.
Eskarel Oct 29th 2009 2:41AM
I'm a pally(holy and prot), the only change I'm really miffed about is LoH, and that's mostly because my holy pally uses glyphed and talented LoH to get some extra mana back. Holy Light is a serious mana drain and anyone who thinks we still have unlimited mana is drunk.
Sacred shield isn't too bad. I use it more often when holy than when prot anyway and it won't change for holy.
Aura Mastery is a waste of a talent point in nearly every PvE context, and is probably OP at 10 seconds in PvP.
Yeah, we've been hit with the nerf bat a lot lately, but for the most part it's been fairly fair, at least for holy and prot.
Ret is just screwed though. The mechanics of the spec mean that the space between crap and OP is just so incredibly narrow that there isn't much room to move. Ret really needs a rebuild from the ground up more than anything else, it needs to be PvE and PvP viable without swinging into OP.
macster Oct 28th 2009 7:37AM
I'd just like to point my undies are only pink because they went in the wash with a red sock...
The Giant Oct 28th 2009 7:38AM
Dear OP,
Bye.
Hugs,
Giant
Jardukain Oct 28th 2009 7:40AM
Relax bro, it's just a game.
Hard Dominator Oct 28th 2009 7:42AM
why lay on hands? :( now i have to get potions :P
Sinnh Oct 28th 2009 7:53AM
why can't lay on hands just be something you spec for, use talent points for, like shamans who spec maelstrom to get that instant heal when they need it? i don't know the paladin spec trees at all but maybe you could have that pve cookie cutter build that specs for an improved lay on hands, while at the same time not being a viable pvp build. then pallys keep their pve wipe protection but spec differently for pvp.
Taladan Oct 28th 2009 8:08PM
LoH is useful for 2 specs in PvE: Holy and Protection.
Holy can dump a huge heal every 11 minutes (glyphed and talented), which can save the tank; Prot can use it as a "helping the healer" button, healing himself to full. Rets have no use for it in PvE, since they should not be taking damage (although they can also use it as a healer helper and heal the tank.)
The problem is that ret may use it in BGs/WG to bump themselves to max again (which seems to be the point of the nerf.) Putting on a talent would be hard to help the two specs that have a proper use for it without also helping rets in PvP.
Crööl Oct 28th 2009 7:54AM
I have never played a paladin.. but..
Honestly.. I am now bored with reading vile insults from an wow.com writer that is devoted to both slamming any and everyone who gets frustrated with nerfs/buffs and praises endlessly GC (no offense to him.. he has a tough job).
In fact.. I believe I am going to take this bookmark off my browser toolbar and move on.
I will read it from time to time... but will less and less if articles keep getting written like this.
Matthew Rossi Oct 28th 2009 10:42AM
He. Plays. A. Paladin.
Seriously, do you actually need "DISCLAIMER: I PLAY A PALADIN MYSELF, THIS POST IS MEANT IN JEST, PLEASE REMAIN CALM" before the post? I spent last night discussing paladin issues with Zach and other members of our staff, he thinks the class is the bee's knees, if anything he's as frustrated as many of the players.
Zach is infamous for playing and loving his paladin.
Extrox Oct 28th 2009 12:03PM
@ Rossi
You may as well add the disclaimer. Unfortunately, it seems, quite a bit of the readers here don't pay enough attention to realize that Zach is a Paladin.
(cutaia) Oct 28th 2009 4:03PM
I'm a Paladin who read the article without knowing that the writer was a pally-lover and I still thought it was pretty funny. The only thing that made me cringe was the realization, "Oh no...now all the crybabies are gonna complain about an obvious tongue-in-cheek joke."
Ironic isn't it? Make a joke about how pallies cry alot and wear pink panties and they go off and get their pink panties in a bunch. :D
lemortede Oct 28th 2009 9:57AM
I found the article format offensive.
The poster needs to learn how to write and not editorialize their personal pally hate into the article.
Extrox Oct 28th 2009 12:06PM
I'm under the impression you're new to the site.
The author is a notorious paladin player/supporter. It's all tongue in cheek.
Dominik Oct 28th 2009 7:56AM
I guess I can understand the LoH nerf. I mean it has been like using a defibrillator on yourself when you're in cardiac arrest. However, if it's going to get nerfed like that, then it needs to get buffed a bit too; make it usable in arenas or maybe have it give the caster mana too without a glyph.
Also, paladins still need the "closer" which JoJ is not, no matter how hard Blizzard thinks it is. Make JoJ have at least 20yard range and maybe 40 for holys.