Ready Check: How to coach your raid members
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One of the most difficult issues in any raid is "that guy." You know who I mean. The one who stands in fire, isn't pulling his weight, doesn't bring potions or food, is mean on Vent, is quiet on Vent, is a drama bomb, argues about loot, or otherwise does something that makes you think "this guy isn't getting it done." The only way you're going to resolve these problems is to coach them through it.
Of course, there are many reasons someone in a raid might need coaching as there are raids. Not every reason for coaching is necessarily a performance flaw. Most coaching sessions will probably be performance related in some way, but you could end up coaching a raid member because you think their sense of humor is just a little off.
Ultimately, it's up to you and your guild officers who is responsible for the actual coaching. But whoever does the job, you want to make sure they're doing it well. Take a look behind the jump for some coaching tips.
1. Set expectations that coaching will happen -- for the entire raid.
Setting and meeting expectations is a huge issue for most organizations. In this case, though, you want to set your raid's expectation that coaching sessions are going to happen. A raid member who doesn't know that coaching could happen will get understandably nervous and resistant if you spontaneously drop them a whisper saying, "Hey, let's talk about your raid performance."
It's up to you whether you want to coach every single raid member on a regular schedule. Like I mentioned last week, though, a good raid leader makes individual one-on-one time with every raid member. Already having that time established and expected provides you a natural environment to provide that coaching.
The other significant benefit to setting everyone's expectations that coaching sessions will happen is that it keeps anyone from feeling singled out. It always sucks to be the one who's getting "picked on." If the coaching subject knows that other people are getting similar sessions, they won't take the whole process as personally.
2. Be prepared to talk about your subject.
You need to know what you're talking about when you're getting ready to coach a raid member. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean you need to be an expert about all things raid related. Rather, I encourage you to be specific and direct about the subject itself. You need to know why your coaching the raid member.
For example, it's easy to simply say, off the cuff, "Bob, you're not doing enough damage." But that's a pretty vague way to describe the problem. Is Bob not pulling his weight because his gear is bad for a Warrior? Is there a skill issue involved with Bob? Heck, for that matter, maybe Bob is taking moments to sneak out for pizza, and is being an afk-ninja.
Having a specific subject about which you're coaching will allow you to not only keep your coaching session managable, but it will help you with the next step.
3. Provide a solution.
If you want someone to change -- and that's the point of coaching -- then you need to outline the change you want. You can't simply tell Bob, "You suck. Stop sucking." (Okay, you could, but you're probably not going to have a lot of success.)
Maybe Bob does basically all right with his Death Knight, but sometimes, he seems clumsy and ungainly when he activates his powers. Take a few moments yourself, and look up some choice Death Knight macros for him. You certainly could argue that it's not your job to tell someone else how to play. But you are the one asking Bob to change. Presumably, you have better access to resources than Bob. And, heck, if Bob knew better, wouldn't Bob already be living the change you want?
4. Ask your coaching subject to be part of the solution.
Do your best to enlist your raid member's help with the problem. If you approach Bob and simply say "Your DPS is inadequate, and you must fix it," the Bob will probably be within his rights to be defensive.
Instead, start off your coaching session by outlining the problem. "Bob, I need to talk to you about your raid DPS. I feel like it's lagging behind, and I'd really like your help in getting you caught up to the curve."
The operative words in that phrase is "I need your help." Again, you're asking your raid member to make a change to the benefit of the raid. Phrasing your questions in a way that encourages your coachee to be the hero will empower him, instead of denigrating him.
And, Mom always says -- you get more flies with honey than vinegar.
5. Encourage your subject.
Coaching doesn't end simply because you talked to Bob once, especially if you're asking Bob to make significant, long-term changes.
Each and every raid, either you or one of your lieutenants must monitor the problem area. Is Bob's DPS actually increasing? Has Bob mastered the art of standing not-in-fire?
Take the time and energy to send a message to Bob. Let him know that not only do you recognize his effort and the change he has accomplished, but also that you appreciate it. "Thanks, man, you've really been doing a great job with it."
This continues to enhance the idea that Bob is a valued member of your raid, and the effort Bob has shown is worthwhile. Bob isn't going an extra mile simply on your say-so. (If you disagree with that notion, then at least consider the idea that Bob probably wouldn't need coaching if he perceived his previous performance as acceptable.)
6. Follow-up if necessary, end the process if not.
If you're not seeing the results that you were hoping for, you need to continue to coach your subject. Schedule another one-on-one, or maybe send them an email. You need to make sure Bob knows you're still on his team, and that you're trying to help him succeed.
Eventually, of course, this needs to end. (At least, the coaching about a single, specific subject needs to stop eventually. You'll always have more to coach.) If Bob is not performing, you need to let him know that he's not meeting your expectations. If Bob's getting the job done, though, let him know you're satisfied with the results.
I'll talk more about how to fire a raid member next week. It's a pretty delicate subject, and deserves a post of its own. Ultimately, though, if you can go successfully through this coaching cycle, the situation will rarely come to that.
Good hunting out there!
Ready Check is here to provide you all the information and discussion you need to bring your raiding to the next level. Check us out weekly to learn the strategies, bosses, and encounters that make end-game raiding so much fun.
One of the most difficult issues in any raid is "that guy." You know who I mean. The one who stands in fire, isn't pulling his weight, doesn't bring potions or food, is mean on Vent, is quiet on Vent, is a drama bomb, argues about loot, or otherwise does something that makes you think "this guy isn't getting it done." The only way you're going to resolve these problems is to coach them through it.
Of course, there are many reasons someone in a raid might need coaching as there are raids. Not every reason for coaching is necessarily a performance flaw. Most coaching sessions will probably be performance related in some way, but you could end up coaching a raid member because you think their sense of humor is just a little off.
Ultimately, it's up to you and your guild officers who is responsible for the actual coaching. But whoever does the job, you want to make sure they're doing it well. Take a look behind the jump for some coaching tips.
1. Set expectations that coaching will happen -- for the entire raid.
Setting and meeting expectations is a huge issue for most organizations. In this case, though, you want to set your raid's expectation that coaching sessions are going to happen. A raid member who doesn't know that coaching could happen will get understandably nervous and resistant if you spontaneously drop them a whisper saying, "Hey, let's talk about your raid performance."
It's up to you whether you want to coach every single raid member on a regular schedule. Like I mentioned last week, though, a good raid leader makes individual one-on-one time with every raid member. Already having that time established and expected provides you a natural environment to provide that coaching.
The other significant benefit to setting everyone's expectations that coaching sessions will happen is that it keeps anyone from feeling singled out. It always sucks to be the one who's getting "picked on." If the coaching subject knows that other people are getting similar sessions, they won't take the whole process as personally.
2. Be prepared to talk about your subject.
You need to know what you're talking about when you're getting ready to coach a raid member. Now, this doesn't necessarily mean you need to be an expert about all things raid related. Rather, I encourage you to be specific and direct about the subject itself. You need to know why your coaching the raid member.
For example, it's easy to simply say, off the cuff, "Bob, you're not doing enough damage." But that's a pretty vague way to describe the problem. Is Bob not pulling his weight because his gear is bad for a Warrior? Is there a skill issue involved with Bob? Heck, for that matter, maybe Bob is taking moments to sneak out for pizza, and is being an afk-ninja.
Having a specific subject about which you're coaching will allow you to not only keep your coaching session managable, but it will help you with the next step.
3. Provide a solution.
If you want someone to change -- and that's the point of coaching -- then you need to outline the change you want. You can't simply tell Bob, "You suck. Stop sucking." (Okay, you could, but you're probably not going to have a lot of success.)
Maybe Bob does basically all right with his Death Knight, but sometimes, he seems clumsy and ungainly when he activates his powers. Take a few moments yourself, and look up some choice Death Knight macros for him. You certainly could argue that it's not your job to tell someone else how to play. But you are the one asking Bob to change. Presumably, you have better access to resources than Bob. And, heck, if Bob knew better, wouldn't Bob already be living the change you want?
4. Ask your coaching subject to be part of the solution.
Do your best to enlist your raid member's help with the problem. If you approach Bob and simply say "Your DPS is inadequate, and you must fix it," the Bob will probably be within his rights to be defensive.
Instead, start off your coaching session by outlining the problem. "Bob, I need to talk to you about your raid DPS. I feel like it's lagging behind, and I'd really like your help in getting you caught up to the curve."
The operative words in that phrase is "I need your help." Again, you're asking your raid member to make a change to the benefit of the raid. Phrasing your questions in a way that encourages your coachee to be the hero will empower him, instead of denigrating him.
And, Mom always says -- you get more flies with honey than vinegar.
5. Encourage your subject.
Coaching doesn't end simply because you talked to Bob once, especially if you're asking Bob to make significant, long-term changes.
Each and every raid, either you or one of your lieutenants must monitor the problem area. Is Bob's DPS actually increasing? Has Bob mastered the art of standing not-in-fire?
Take the time and energy to send a message to Bob. Let him know that not only do you recognize his effort and the change he has accomplished, but also that you appreciate it. "Thanks, man, you've really been doing a great job with it."
This continues to enhance the idea that Bob is a valued member of your raid, and the effort Bob has shown is worthwhile. Bob isn't going an extra mile simply on your say-so. (If you disagree with that notion, then at least consider the idea that Bob probably wouldn't need coaching if he perceived his previous performance as acceptable.)
6. Follow-up if necessary, end the process if not.
If you're not seeing the results that you were hoping for, you need to continue to coach your subject. Schedule another one-on-one, or maybe send them an email. You need to make sure Bob knows you're still on his team, and that you're trying to help him succeed.
Eventually, of course, this needs to end. (At least, the coaching about a single, specific subject needs to stop eventually. You'll always have more to coach.) If Bob is not performing, you need to let him know that he's not meeting your expectations. If Bob's getting the job done, though, let him know you're satisfied with the results.
I'll talk more about how to fire a raid member next week. It's a pretty delicate subject, and deserves a post of its own. Ultimately, though, if you can go successfully through this coaching cycle, the situation will rarely come to that.
Good hunting out there!
Ready Check is here to provide you all the information and discussion you need to bring your raiding to the next level. Check us out weekly to learn the strategies, bosses, and encounters that make end-game raiding so much fun.Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Ready Check (Raiding)







Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Sleutel Nov 6th 2009 9:07AM
"Take a few moments yourself, and look up some choice Death Knight macros for him. You certainly could argue that it's not your job to tell someone else how to play. But you are the one asking Bob to change. Presumably, you have better access to resources than Bob. And, heck, if Bob knew better, wouldn't Bob already be living the change you want?"
Point them to the resource, don't hand them the answer. If you do all the work for them, you're just going to keep running into the same problems again and again. Having been an officer in raiding guilds, I have seen this problem time and again: you take a bad player, tell them how to spec, what rotation to use, exactly what gems to slot, and it works for a while. But then the next new fight shows up (and they haven't done their research and die to the fire again), or a patch drops and a class mechanic changes (and they haven't done their research and their healing or DPS drops)...
Yes, you are the one asking Bob to change... because Bob fails at his job. It's not like you want him to recolor his armor: you want him to be competent at the position he holds in your raid--it's the responsibility that comes with the privilege. If a helpful shove in the right direction doesn't get Bob to improve, it's not time to hold his hand: it's time to give him a friendly walk to the door.
PeeWee Nov 6th 2009 11:08AM
Give a hungry man a fish, and you feed him for a day.
Teach a hungry man to fish, and you feed him for life.
Blacksheep Nov 6th 2009 12:19PM
Good points. When I was a new level 80 hunter, I got some very light tips on gear/rotation from a friend of mine, after that I went and researched, obsessively, exactly what I needed in regards to gear, enchants, gems, rotations and then macros to help me avoid aggro/improve my crowd control in certain situations etc.
Now I'm a raid leader and I've found that some people just need a few tips to send them off on self improvement like myself, like "hey, have you ever checked the proper rotation for unholy DPS? or do you ever look up the top geared blood DPS on WoW heroes to see what their specs are?" A few people of different classes have come back with much better DPS after just referring them to Web sites.
A few special cases, I've had to hold their hand, literally. I had to tell one individual what kind of gear hunters wear, why they don't need to stack stamina, then I had to tell them exactly what enchants and gems to get for each piece/slot as referring them to sites did not work. I had to tell them about DBM and recount even, they had never heard of either. Then I had to give them the Surv shot rotation like 4 times over the course of 2 months as they kept doing it wrong. I know because I kept asking, "what's your rotation" always the wrong answer, sigh.
And you know what, they still suck after all that help and time I invested so they don't get invites to serious runs anymore. Some people just can't be helped even though they persist in asking for raid invites. I guess they want the gear without caring/knowing about anything that's happening. Really annoys me considering I did 95% of the research on my class on my own. Point people the right way, if they have a few questions great, they are learning, if you point them and they come back having done nothing, bye bye raid invites.
Clevins Nov 6th 2009 1:33PM
We do two things to further this way of helping - we post raiding primers for the various classes and roles on our forums with links to relevant resources and we post a World of Logs parse for every raid.
The latter is important - 'your dps is behind where it should be' is one thing, but being able to show the person that they're doing 1700 dps in late Ulduar-10 and others are doing 3500. The forums are key because you can point them to a resource that kickstarts them AND gives them pointers to where to learn more.
I'd add one more thing - the RL had better know there's really an issue. For example, don't tell a Disc priest that "Recount shows your numbers are bad" because that just shows you don't know that Recount doesn't count Power Word:Shield Absorbs. More generally - know what you're talking about before you call someone out for coaching in the first place.
Grendalsh Nov 6th 2009 1:53PM
Make a man a fire, and you keep hime warm for a night. But set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Rhoan01 Nov 6th 2009 9:19AM
My wife was lagging behind the DPS charts with her warlock when our raid leader pulled her aside after a run for a "Pimp My 'Lock" session. He provided a macro or two, told her where to find more, discussed her Affliction spec (WITHOUT suggesting she change specs: my wife really likes Affliction), even gave her some Tailoring epics to help her with the gear issue.
These really helped her, because she knew she needed to get better but wasn't sure which direction to go to get better.
remlap79 Nov 6th 2009 9:39AM
Wow... this is awesome! I find that I do a lot of this for my raiders but I never thought of it as coaching.
When people are delivering a sub-par performance in a raid, I find that it stems from one of three issues: 1) knowledge of gear 2) knowledge of skills 3) knowledge of the fight.
If, as raid leaders we can provide our raiders with the resources to address these issues we can vastly improve the quality of the raid. I would love to see a post here about resources that address each of these areas from the vast knowledge of the wow.com staff.
Thanks for the great articles.
Dere Nov 6th 2009 10:28AM
Gear upgrades can be found at Maxdps.com and the bosses can be found at Bosskillers.com both of those helped me.
remlap79 Nov 6th 2009 5:39PM
Do you really find MaxDPS.com to be helpful? I've used it a few time but it never seems to account for hit rating. Maybe i'm doing it wrong. Also the Tankspot.com raid videos are great for us. Sometimes I make my raiders watch it all at the same time while we are on vent and we can comment together. That may be a little too much carebear for some.
Utakata Nov 6th 2009 9:49AM
I didn't know being quiet on Vent was an offence. Since it's my understanding the only peeps that should be speaking are the raid lead for the most and the class leads if need be (unless it's outside of raiding). If anything everyone else just adds needless static. Perhaps the author comes from a noisey guild. :(
Prissa Nov 6th 2009 9:53AM
Yes, needless chatter should be kept to a minimum during a raid. However important communication in a raid doesn't always come from the raid leader. Perfect example is snobolds in TotC. Generally you're not always gonna see who they get thrown to. In our guild raids, it's each person's responsibility to call out when they have a snobold, otherwise they're probably gonna have them alive longer than is necessary.
Another classic case is my boyfriend tank. He's very self conscious of any problems he has in a raid and will therefore very rarely call out important information if he thinks it will make him look bad. When the raid leader calls for a tank to taunt and it fails for some reason, he needs to speak up straight away so other action can be taken.
Utakata Nov 6th 2009 4:22PM
Thank you for reminding me, Prissa...
I should qualify...since I was thinking about this today, class leads where more of the "old skool" Vanilla days when a raid had to co-ordinate 40 players with 8 different classes. Now it's 25 with 10 different classes. So I suspect with each raid (along with the group I raid with), outside of the raid lead it's broken down to healing, tanking and dps. So a spokesperson is usually assigned for each group...
...thus it should be, co-ordinating healing rotation, tank calling and one dps on Snobold spotting...or something like that. I suspect it's slightly different for each raid group, if not for each boss event.
None of the less, my point still stands. There should be only be a designated persons per each group/function saying anything over Vent. And therefore, there should be no other chatter. So everyone else being quiet on Vent is a good thing...not a bad thing. :)
But if the designated player is not saying when he/she should, then that's a whole different issue. And that's a bad thing. In this case, timing should be everything.
Sorry for the tl,dr.
Hoggersbud Nov 6th 2009 9:37AM
I recommend whips and chains as motivational tools. Sometimes they can be negative or positive though, so be sure and know which it is.
But seriously, there's one thing you have to keep in mind...you can't always expect people to listen.
So don't blame yourself when they don't.
Some people just won't believe you when you tell them a better way.
Dag Nov 6th 2009 9:42AM
Being the raid leader for a fairly casual guild, I tend to give my raiders the benefit of the doubt when they're screwing up (standing in fire, pulling aggro, etc). I mention it on vent, reminding everyone to "watch their aggro" or "we've GOT to avoid those fires." This is just to let the person who erred know that *I* know they screwed up.
Most of my raiders don't need any coaching on their performance. Fixing that isn't much of an issue for us. The problem I have is coaching people who have bad moods or are taking wipes and under-performance too personally.
How do I coach someone to have fun with what they do? o.0
divinite Nov 6th 2009 12:16PM
Having done and taught coaching in sports, the best way to put it is to think of the effect on a team.
When someone has a sour mood and puts themselves down, it effects the team. When someone complains about their poor dps (because they're number 3 on the charts) that looks bad to all those that are below them. Healthy competition is fine, criticizing other people and putting others (or themselves) down is not constructive. It hurts the whole raid when one person has a foul mood right off the bat.
If you insist on having a bad attitude, keep it off vent and out of chat. Cuss to yourself if you must, but really, the better question to ask is "what can I do to improve?" and not just complaining.
If they're not having fun, maybe they need to switch specs/classes/roles or take a break from raiding. If they're not having fun, either are the other 9/24 people.
Jack Draven Nov 6th 2009 9:43AM
You said that you are going to cover how to fire a raid member in another column.
"You suck, stop sucking"
Looks like you already did.
That's a great line!
BigBadGooz Nov 6th 2009 10:37AM
Tried these steps before with a raider a while back yeah she couldent dps for her gear level constantly stood in fire yada yada. Now after coaching same problem and was surprised and angry I replaced her for the following raid. 2 weeks later I asked her to come dps again and said if you Improove I might keep you regularly for the raid. Because I droped her once she was so adimate that I should have never droped her in the first place and declined raid invite. Some people who are given all the chances in the world can still be the definition of fail. Some would rather not raid at all because you tried to help them in the begining and took actions for the raid not the individual, now the raid suffers cause your performance and ego.
Damn Dirty Ape Nov 6th 2009 10:45AM
I recommend a 50 dkp minus.
Killerbees Nov 6th 2009 10:51AM
I'd like to say, great article, this is exactly what I do.
Some people dislike being called out or taking responsibility for their mistakes, why I always have EnsidiaFails mod going threw out my raiding in hard modes. It is hard to work with people who can't take their name being called out when they continue to mess up, they just want the issue to disappear and no one to notice they keep messing up, ignoring the issue. I personally like to take the aggressive approach, seems to be more successful than beating around the bush trying to make vague comments thinking the person you are aiming at it listens. 9/10 they won't.
I will state that I do feel there is a balance, being too aggressive will dishearten your raiders, but being too lax will let things get out of hand or prolonged. You need to find that good middle ground that works best for you and your guild. Set standards that each person knows that you expect of them so when they are talked to later, they know why and make sure you have proof of what you are talking about. It's also good to record each nights logs and upload them to World of Logs, that gives you information you can look at later to monitor and show to a member if you notice a pattern of wrong.
Another issue you may have to bring up with members other than just performance, is attendance. Something that can plague and ruin any guild. You need to set a standard for each of your members of what you expect. If you become too lax for someone due to them being good aka playing favorites, that sends a bad message to the other members that see it as an acceptable behavior. At times I have certain members not show up or go afk on a important hard mode night because they don't feel like wiping. (this may not be said but you can easily tell) If a problem accures I promptly inform them if it does not improve or change soon, I will have to replace them.
Have goals, stick with them, make sure each persons have the same goals and you will accomplish them. I tell people, all I ask is you do your part and show up, I'm not looking for people to be super stars all the time, but the 9 others enjoyment is based on the team succeeding. We all pay for this game and sign on to down bosses, if we all don't do our part, we cause it to not be fun for the others and that is not fair to them.
Farthing Nov 6th 2009 11:00AM
WoW raiding has a great similarity to team sports. While in the case of raiding it isn't against other players, everything still applies. Raiders need to communicate, coordinate, and know where to be when. If one player doesn't pull their weight, the team suffers. That doesn't mean that a good guild only accepts the best players though. A good guild needs to be able to make them.