Spiritual Guidance: How to critique a priest without making them cry

Once in a while, I'll get a question in the mail from a reader that goes something like this:
In this week's Spiritual Guidance, I'll walk you through how I evaluate priests who join my guild. I'll go over the best times to get impressions, what I look for specifically, and how I deliver the necessary feedback. We'll go all the way from application through to raid insertion.Dear Matt,
There's a priest who has recently joined our guild. I'm not sure if he's doing the right things. His HPS doesn't seem to be where our other healers are at. His overhealing seems to be a little bit high. I'm not sure if I'm reading it right and I was hoping you could tell me how you evaluate the priests (or healers) that are in your guild. Am I supposed to be using numbers as a solid way to see how good they are?
Sincerely,
Dazed from healing
Let's start from the top. We open up our hypothetical guild page only to discover that a holy priest has applied to the guild!
The screening process
We're going to use the example of a holy priest named Dazzlehoff (and note I just made that name up so everything beyond that is a sheer coincidence). Dazzlehoff is ready to raid and he's submitted a formal guild application. As the GM, I noted that he's actually copied and pasted the application successfully (an important first step). His answers are sound. The addons he uses happen to be the same as the ones the guild requests. He understands that he's not going to get an immediate raid spot and that he's willing to work towards one.
A quick glance on the armory illustrates that Dazzlehoff has mixed gear. It ranges from Conquest badge level gear to Triumph badge level gear. Mentally, I calculate that he should be capable of holding his own in Trial of the Crusader 10 or 25. I immediately strike him from the roster for Trial of the Grand Crusader (hard mode). Hard mode is hard and I need to bring in the best geared players who I trust can do what I need them to do. Dazzlehoff has not yet earned that right. His initiation path is going to revolve around filling in for regulars as needed and participating in alt runs.
All of his gear is augmented for a priest of his level. He's got a healthy mix of spellpower and intellect gems. His gear is enchanted to the max. Already, he's shown that he's willing to invest the time and money into his character with the limited resources he has.
All of that meets the minimum requirement.
The evaluation process
Unfortunately for Dazzlehoff, he was accepted into the guild on a probationary basis during a week where ToC 25 had already been cleared out. But there is hope for our young healer-to-be. Every Sunday, the guild holds an alt run for extra Crusader Orbs and any main characters that happened to miss out on a raid earlier in the week. The best environment to check out initiates is in the raid. What did I recruit them for? I recruited them for raiding. Running heroics isn't exactly going to give me a lot of information on how they'll react under pressure. If they're supposed to raid, stick them in a raid environment. They'll either sink or swim.
In most cases, it's difficult for me to check out a healer in action. I'm a healer and I have responsibilities of my own. The best I would be able to do on main raids is give myself a fairly easy assignment and stay near the healer I want to observe. I'd keep them focused so I can see their targets and their casts. The intent here is to build up some idea of what they do and how they respond. Observing other healers while healing is difficult to do when working through heroic raids.
Seeing as we have a run for alts, there is nothing wrong with squeezing him in there to heal. It adds a bit of extra strain since some players may not be as intimately familiar with their alts as they are with their mains. More attention will need to be paid because some players might be prone to making mistakes on their alt.
Thankfully, I have a retribution paladin as an alt. I can simply faceroll my way through most of the bosses. More importantly, I can swivel my camera to them directly and pay increased attention to what they do. Having a DPS alt lets me loosen up a bit to the point where I can feel comfortable checking out a player without having to worry about keeping the raid alive as a healer.
What am I specifically looking for?
- Spell usage: Are they using the right spells at the right time?
- Awareness: How fast were they able to hustle a Snobold through to melee? How quick did they get out of the fire?
- Discipline: Are they keeping the assigned player(s) alive like they were instructed to?
- Independent thought: Can they think on their feet or do they have to be "hand held" throughout an entire boss fight with someone repeatedly telling them what they have to do? Can they run when being pursued? As an example, did they Psychic Scream defensively on Faction Champs?
In any case, we manage to clear out ToC 25 on our alts. Granted, it was a shaky run but we managed to get the whole place down nonetheless. Now we get to publicly dissect Dazzlehoffs performance. We're going to look at all the mistakes he made and figure out what he needs to do to get better. Whether you do it in public or private is up to you. There's good and bad sides to both (but that's currently beyond the scope of this post). If there's no major problems, tell him he did a good job and that he didn't do anything majorly wrong.
But in this case, Dazzlehoff made a few key mistakes.
On Northrend Beasts, he managed to get himself trampled by Icehowl.
On Lord Jaraxxus, he fell to a Legion Flame.
On Faction Champions, he was taken down by a Warrior.
On Twins, his assigned tank died.
On Anub'Arak, his healing exceed that of every other healer during the final 30%.
What this initially tells me is that he's either nervous or he's not as familiar with the fights. Maybe he's only done the first few bosses and hasn't really had a lot of time in here yet. Either way, what I do know is that Dazzlehoff is definitely not ready for Trial of the Grand Crusader. He needs to spend more time and get some more seasoning in.
How I tell him
It's just the first raid and I'm generally lenient to players after they make their first mistake on certain fight abilities. If players screw up, that's okay. Something I like to tell my raiders is to never make the same mistake twice.
First, what I'll do is outline exactly what happened. Combat logs show events in the last few seconds before a player gets taken down. I'm not going to call Dazzlehoff a failure but I will tell him honestly that he needs more practice and that he needs to get better because he made some key mistakes.
As an example, I would say Dazzlehoff got trampled by Icehowl. He can't allow that to happen. The best way to prevent that is to position himself in such a way where he won't be blocked by wooden posts or doorways. Minimize obstacles. His situational awareness would have to improve because I saw him run right into Icehowl's path. I would use Lord Jaraxxus as an example where he got tunnel visioned. He's a healer and he should be capable of healing himself while running with a Legion Flame debuff active. If he can't, then he's not geared enough or skilled enough to do so.
On Twins, I would tell him the tank death wasn't his fault. The tank just happened to eat 6 of the opposite colored orbs in a 1 second span. I'd tell him that while it wasn't a requirement, a standout healer would be able to notice 6 dark orbs gliding in their tank and immediately unload their cooldowns, shields, and heals to try to sustain them through that damage.
Now at this point, it's up to Dazzlehoff to decide what to do. He can continue to stay in the guild and take the suggestions to heart. The process starts again next week and the week after that.
Remember that not everyone is going to react favorably or positively to the feedback you're giving them. If they simply can't accept your comments or if they show no signs of improvement, it's best to cut your losses and move on. Not every applicant is going to pan out.
You can only show healers the door. It's up to them to walk through it.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 5)
Noctune Nov 23rd 2009 11:58AM
HPS isn't a good messurement atleast not for Dicipline Priests
and HPS isn't very fair either if he did his job without a problem is it his fault his HPS is lower? no.
and more old school example
Patchwerk 3 tanks (25man) the healer focusing on the 3ed tank is bound to heal less then the 1st or 2nd tank healer. still he does his job without the tank dying and this its all fair in my book.
Situational awareness and get the job done is important but more important is that he is a good bloke without a ton of ego... thoes players are not very fun to play with.
SCHarper Nov 23rd 2009 7:53AM
@ centre_ddr
There's nothing wrong with my grammar. At the time of typing, I was laying in bed at about three in the morning, with my arm slowly becoming less and less responsive as i cut off its circulation by leaning on it. So I'm so sorry that my grammar doesn't meet your obviously meticulously high standards.
And no, 'asshat', I wasn't criticizing hardcore gamers. I was saying that it isn't for me, and thanking the article for making me realize this.
What's the word I'm looking for now.... oh yeah. PWND.
Kz Nov 23rd 2009 8:13AM
I was once a healer in a pre-BC guild. This article reminds me of why I dropped out. I am so glad I have moved on.
Dimmak Nov 23rd 2009 8:18AM
While this article is helpful as a recruitment officer, I just don't see the relevance for priest.
I would like to see this particular column return back to Priest specific aspects of the game. Perhaps you could start a series of understanding a specific power so that those who don't play a Priest can gain a better understanding?
For example, an in dept look at discipline priests and mitigation or perhaps explaining that a tank should be pulling during the first part of a bubble because of the added 3% damage reduction buff? Uses of pain suppression, when to spam AOE healing, or to prioritize big heals over dispells and vice a versus.
Darketernal Nov 23rd 2009 8:43AM
His article explains EXACTLY how our guild looks at things.
of Terokkar US-A
Literally we do the same thing, When i started out i would do the same thing. Most GOOD raid leaders wont look at the HPS, because it really dosent matter anymore unless tanks are getting one shotted or constantly dying. Really the game for TOC has shifted towards Situational Awareness for not only TOC but all Ulduar Hard modes, Before in BC you could rate a priest based on thier HPS, but blizzard already spent too much time nerfing us so we are more "jack of all trade, master of none" healers now.
Its next to impossible to rate a DISC priest unless the tank dies or your RL uses Guessed Absorbs in recount. I would hope they wouldnt expect a disc priest to raid-heal unless it was a 10 man.
Normally I run shadow 95% of the time, but i often heal pugs and 10 mans and those are some of my observations.
Scism Nov 23rd 2009 9:12AM
Another great article by Matt.
One of the hardest things as an officer in a 'casual' guild (10 man ToC on farm but we never get enough for 25 man and are missing a couple of quality people for hard modes) is trying to get some of the established members to improve.
Some of the tips are very useful, but at 'my level' it can be something as silly as just installing decursive and sometimes decursing.... :P
My holy priest (an alt) is doing well now, but i know i can improve and would always appreciate good feedback. however (as matt nearly makes clear) the way you do this is key. Too often people just say "omg u sux noob" (etc) or make it appear that feedback is critisicm instead of help :)
Keep it up Matt xD
Jen Nov 23rd 2009 9:22AM
I was just starting to consider possibly raiding on my priest...just so I can see some of the fights I never get to.
This article has made me realize that raiding is NOT for me. Never. Raiding, even at a casual level it seems, is way too hardcore. I just like to play.
I know that this will sound cheeky, but it's not. Thanks for this article, really. It's made me realize that I am much happier in this game when it's a game for me, not a sports league and not work.
Laresloci Nov 23rd 2009 9:59AM
Exactly, it's a game an not my life.
Hoggersbud Nov 23rd 2009 10:40AM
Ah, don't jump out of raiding just because of one article. There are several levels of raiding in the game, some are more hardcore than others, and this is clearly an article geared more towards progression-level, ie, hardcore than you might desire, but there can still be room for you.
If you haven't already, try some Vault or Naxx pugs. Heck, just get into a Flame Leviathan pug, those are fun enough.
Terrant Nov 29th 2009 11:02PM
I agree with Hoggersbud.
In my experience, the hardest thing about raiding isn't raiding - it's finding out what you want from raiding (if anything), and finding the people that share that.
When you're actually playing in the raid, you'll have a blast because you're with a bunch of people who have researched the fights just as you have. Or you'll have a blast because you all love spontaneity, jumping headfirst into the water, and taking on content that they may not have the gear for. Or you'll have a blast during your ninth straight month in Naxxramas because spending a few hours in vent is the main attraction and making Scourge go splat is the sideshow. Or you'll have a blast because everyone else wants that "Realm first!" achievement to appear after the fight as much as you do.
Which is a long-winded way of saying just as WoW has a lot of depth for non-raiders and raiders, raiding itself can mean so many different things to so many different players.
Matt Nov 23rd 2009 10:19AM
Great article. I have a related question. I recently levelled a priest (specced disc now) on a new server so I could raid with some people I know. I'm definitely not geared enough (I'm sporting a mix of ilevel 200-245 epics) to be in the main raid team, but I do alt runs of ToC25 (normal). My problem is that I'm really unsure how to assess my own performance. I do fine at avoiding "environmental" damage (i.e. I don't make any of the mistakes Dazzlehoff made), but I'm unsure how much I'm really contributing to the raid. Obviously as a disc priest HPS is a worthless metric. But the other metric I might use--namely, did anybody die?--also doesn't seem that helpful, since it seems like the other healers are really doing most of the work. Of course, this is a pretty general question, but I'm curious to know at least what sorts of things I should looking at to assess my performance and try to improve my game.
Hoggersbud Nov 23rd 2009 10:42AM
I believe that's one of those things where you have to have confidence in yourself, because you can't really know.
After all, with a good healing team, you shouldn't be stressed too hard in most cases.
Unless another healer dies and then you're spamming heals out of control just to finish off the boss for that final 3%!
That's the only way I've learned what I do matters.
thebvp Nov 23rd 2009 12:20PM
Theresa,
Respectfully, I must disagree. Holy priests are about up there with druids with respect to their ability to tank heal, with a few exceptions. Shaman may be a bit better at it. Sure, we can flash heal x3 => gheal, but that rotation runs you out of mana pretty quickly. As you said, tank damage in toc regular isn’t so great and I’d argue that even a druid could do it better in this circumstance due to lack of burst damage.
Almost every healing priest I know rolls holy/disc these days. Very few go shadow for obvious reasons (crappy dps). If I was the nub priest, I would’ve swapped out to disc. And if I was said raid leader, I would’ve asked said nub priest to go disc instead of putting the raid in such a compromising position. And if the nub priest was holy/shadow, I would ask them why, because we weren’t recruiting him to dps. Why neither thought to do it is beyond me.
The real strength of priest healing has always been in its adaptability, the so-called “toolbox.” If you’re not using this to its fullest extent, then you’re just a second rate raid healer or second rate tank healer, and easily replacable. In all honesty, I wouldn’t want to take myself to a raid if I could only be holy or disc, but the ability to do either makes me a unique asset.
tayharri Nov 23rd 2009 12:59PM
Your skill / gear and sometimes more importantly your personality should be within close relation the players you are playing with and the content you are playing. Be fair to the other 9 or 24 players.
Clarick Nov 23rd 2009 1:24PM
I started a priest a few weeks back and now she is level 45 and the thought of raiding scares me. I am always asking the n00b priest questions. Lucky for me my guild is very helpful that way.
I really enjoy the class alot more than i thought I would hence why I have leveled so fast. I hope to go raid level 80 content when I get there and I hope I can do this healing thing right. My main is a hunter and I worked hard to always do good consistant DPS in a raid so this is a very different role for me.
rkaliski Nov 23rd 2009 1:41PM
The problem is a lot of people assume that a raiding guild is one of the uber elete guilds that are more like a professional sports team.
Let's use the sports as an example. You can play golf on the Professional Golfers tour, the high end amateur tour, local tournaments or just duffing around with skilled buddies. To say you wont play golf because you refuse to meet the standards of the PGA is stupid. You can aspire to play at their level but it isn't necessary.
I have been in guilds alll the way from leveling to elite. Each has their own appeal. I would tell people to join a good progression guild to see just how quickly you can knock out content and to kill bosses. The guild I am in is a relaxed progression guild. We don't hold people to minimum standards, yet we can knock out Vault, Ony, TOC 25 and the first few bosses in Uldar in a three hour raid without breaking a sweat.
We do it with fun and still have a good time.
Chikane Nov 23rd 2009 1:47PM
>>On Twins, his assigned tank died.
Whoever assigned a holy priest to main heal a tank is the one who screwed up, not the priest...
Gingko Nov 23rd 2009 2:17PM
I have recently been tapped to do healing coordination for my guild, so helping my fellow healers do well in raids is now my task. The idea of watching targets and spell choices during the raid horrifies me. Perhaps it's just that my guild and I don't yet outgear our raids enough that we have that many spare cycles to spend on watching things that aren't the raid itself. Attention is the scarcest resource, I always say, and when I'm in a raid I'm spending it on defeating the encounter.
I do use World of Logs after raids, however, to look at who my fellow healers are healing, what their spell choices are, and so on. The WoL analysis is good enough to show me how disc priest shields are contributing, for instance. This is less important to me than "did the healing assignment survive? did the healer herself survive? did the healer show situational awareness and change behavior mid-encounter if it was necessary?" I'm still sort of in the phase of learning what other healing classes do well and what the best tasks for them are, so half of the time I'm evaluating my *own* choices before the encounter. Did I give the disc priest a point healing assignment? Did I have the holy pallies beaconing the right targets?
Like other people in this thread, I use mouseover macros with my raid frames, so you'd rarely see me targeting the player I'm healing at the moment. Again, log analysis afterward is great.
greudach-ts2 Nov 23rd 2009 2:20PM
It's funny because reading this article confirmed to me that I DIDN'T want to raid. I guess they are hard-core players and there are casual players, and I simply don't want to work that hard. I play to relax and enjoy myself, not to get stressed out by my "performance". It seems to me however that this game does not really cater that much to the latter. I've leveled 2 toons to 80, and one to 77. If I am not going to raid, what is the next step? I don't know. I suppose I can do heroics and try to gear up, but to what purpose? There doesn't seem much to do if you aren't a raider. And on my server you can't even do casual raiding, because all you hear on trade is "speed run" and "be geared" and pst your achievements. Lamers need not apply.
The funny thing was that I thought I'd be the only one piping in to say that this just confirmed why I don't want to raid, but seems like several have already echoed my sentiments.
Morfene Nov 24th 2009 11:25AM
Hi, I was wondering if you could do a sort of Holy healing guide for dummies? I've been disc for ages and just made the switch and it's not going well but I can't figure out where I'm going wrong.