Drama Mamas: When a partner wanders astray
Dodge the drama and become that player everyone wants in their group with the Drama Mamas. Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are real-life mamas and experienced WoW players -- and just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your server. We're taking your questions at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
The internet is a hotbed of faux-mance. Other players seem infinitely more fascinating and attractive than the very real partners sitting just across the room, when seen through the lens of fevered imaginations. Add the spice of risqué chat, the attraction of regular time spent together and a dash of Vent and IMs, and you have the makings of the beginning of the end. Infidelity is an ugly subject, and the Drama Mamas think it's best to deal with it in the same manner we advise handling other problem situations: head on, with respect and with firmness.
Dear Drama Mamas: Hi, I am a wife and mother who plays WoW. I started playing with my husband over two years ago. I am a stay-at-home mom, so during nap time and after the kids go to bed for the night, I play. My husband plays when he gets home from work until he goes to bed. The raiding guild me and my husband are in is very family-friendly and is full of husband-and-wife teams.
Earlier this year, we had a large group of players join the guild (which me and my husband are officers of). I befriended one of the female players when she and her friends joined after her husband joined. We became fast friends. We talked about our kids and even became friends on Facebook. She never really grouped much with her husband; it was just mainly me and my husband and some of her friends. As we became better friends, she confided in me about the issues between her and her husband.
Now, me and my husband had been having our ups and downs, like any healthy couple, and I had noticed that he was acting different after we talked or argued about something. I brushed it off, thinking that, I don't know, he was just tired or something. And I then noticed that he and she were spending a lot of time together in game and on Vent. At first, I didn't think anything about it. But after a month or so, I started to fell weird about it, and I told him. I said I really feel weird about the time you are spending with her. I mean, he was staying up later then he used to, much later, and was always in Vent when before he was only in Vent when we did a raid or a five-man. He told me that he understood and that he would try to keep it down and that it didn't mean anything, that they and us were all friends. Well, I brushed it off for a week or so, thinking I was just being crazy.
And then I noticed after another month that I was getting left out of the groups, and for some odd reason, she just kinda only talked to me when she wanted to know something. I again went to my husband and said this time I feel uncomfortable about it, and I didn't know really what their relationship was but I didn't like it and I wanted it to stop and just be game-related stuff. Since we are officers, I didn't want him to just ignore her. Well, things changed for a bit, and then it got really weird. I noticed that he was spending more time outside before he came in after work and that he wasn't calling me as much. I brushed that off as a rough work week over and over again. LOL
Well, one day I happened to go to his computer to do something with his character and noticed a whisper from her, and I was floored. I knew then what was going on. They were talking on the phone with each other every day. I checked phone records, and lo and behold, he had been talking and texting her for months. I was heartbroken.
I did not say anything to him until the next day. I just was so upset. I told our guild leader that I was taking a break from game and I would let him know when I was coming back. I then told my husband this the next day. He wanted to know why and I told him. We yelled at each other and we talked for hours. I told him it needed to end. He said he would end it the next day; I said no, tonight. So we went together to his computer and he ended it. She ask if she needed to leave the guild and we both told her no, that we didn't want to hurt the guild by her leaving.
And here is my question or questions. Do you think I did the right think by not asking her to leave or not leaving myself? Or how do I get over something like this? They never were physically together. We live thousands of miles apart. This was just over the phone and the computer. But they did share things with each other that should have been meant for only me. I was very hurt by this. And since I found out and he ended the affair (that is what I call it), she has been really mopey in guild and raids. They do not talk anymore on the phone, and in game, it is only guild- and raid-related stuff. But she is still stuck on him, and she is almost 10 years older then him. I don't understand what I need to do about this. I was just wondering how you would handle this kind of situation. I would love to know what other WoW women would do if they found themselves in this jam. Please help! Brokenhearted Raider
Drama Mama Lisa: I am so, so sorry to hear of your troubles. I think it might help to step back for a moment and review our advice from Wife aggro two weeks ago. As with Aggrowifed, whose new wife was feeling threatened by his play schedule, World of Warcraft isn't really the root of your problem. You probably already know this -- so you have to also realize, then, that the solution won't be found there, either.
It's not fair to anyone involved for the three of you to face one another regularly in your guild. This isn't about keeping up appearances or making concessions; it's about throwing a life preserver to your marriage in a murky sea where your husband is already sinking fast. By failing to end this affair after months of repeatedly being confronted about his behavior, your husband has already shown that he's unable or unwilling to moderate his contact with the other woman.
It's time for you and your husband to take a WoW holiday. If you think that continuing to spend time playing with your husband would be helpful to your relationship, you could try transferring or re-rolling on another realm. Since this affair has spread beyond the game's borders, however, it's not much protection from the other woman. She already knows plenty of ways to get in touch with your husband. You can bet that she'll find out where you've transferred, if she really wants to know. Best to simply make a clean break from the game. You and your husband need a new dynamic and fresh ways to relate to one another right now. Ultimately, the time you've been spending in WoW would be better spent in counseling and in pastimes that are exclusive to your partnership and family, working on getting your marriage back on track. Best of luck, Brokenhearted. Stay strong.
Drama Mama Robin: Brokenhearted, I really feel for you and you are not alone. This story is as old as online communication. Before MMOs, before chat rooms, there were BBSs. People with modems have been surreptitiously carrying on affairs while appearing to be busily working/playing at their computers for more than 20 years. Before WoW, it happened to a very close friend of mine in EQ -- she made me search the chat logs to confirm her suspicions. It was a painful experience for all of us.
I think it is important to face the harsh realities of your situation, so I'm going to be blunt and I'm sorry if it hurts.
Online romances are intoxicating. It feels like the minds are meeting and directly communicating intimate thoughts and feelings -- without the distractions of physical imperfections, unpleasant smells and annoying mannerisms. And the participants who are in committed relationships with others rationalize their behavior with "it's not cheating if we don't touch." You call it an affair because it is an affair. People can argue that they didn't have physical sex and therefore didn't cheat all they want. But the fact is that he spent time, resources and emotions on another woman in the place of spending these things on you.
So I ask you, what if the three of you belonged to a softball team or poker club together instead of playing WoW? Would you still be attending those functions and enabling interactions between those two? I know that physically seeing her would be harder than the virtual interaction, but the principle is the same. She is going to keep tempting your husband and even if he is now completely trustworthy (with the woman he was untrustworthy with so recently), he still will have the stress of having to constantly turn down her advances.
As Lisa said, this isn't a WoW issue. Though it happened in Azeroth, it wasn't caused by the game. But to answer your question, I highly recommend that you sever all contact with this woman. Unfortunately, even if you get her to leave the guild and you both put her on ignore, she can always get on an alt and whisper your husband that way. In fact, she's probably doing that already. So you need to decide whether you want to get her to leave the guild (risking alt contact) or transfer/reroll on another server without telling her or any of her friends where you are going.
There are many successful marriages that have survived a straying spouse and many horrible marriages that have never undergone cheating of any kind. I hope that you are able to achieve happiness again, whether you are able to work things out with your husband or not. Regardless, life is too short to allow that woman any more influence on your mental well-being. /hug
Drama Buster of the Week
If you've finally talked a friend into playing WoW, give it up and spend some time playing with him. Give him some bags and a five-spot to get started, and be available to answer questions via /whisper while he works out the basics. Once he starts gaining a little ground, try to block out time once or twice a week to play together. Cover his butt when he's ready to hit Hillsbrad. Offer to run him through Scarlet when he's high enough to get the quests. Invite him to five-mans when he finally dings 80. Your circle of friends just got a little tighter – enjoy!
Remember, your mama wouldn't want to see your name on any drama. Play nice ... and when in doubt, ask the Drama Mamas at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
The internet is a hotbed of faux-mance. Other players seem infinitely more fascinating and attractive than the very real partners sitting just across the room, when seen through the lens of fevered imaginations. Add the spice of risqué chat, the attraction of regular time spent together and a dash of Vent and IMs, and you have the makings of the beginning of the end. Infidelity is an ugly subject, and the Drama Mamas think it's best to deal with it in the same manner we advise handling other problem situations: head on, with respect and with firmness.
Dear Drama Mamas: Hi, I am a wife and mother who plays WoW. I started playing with my husband over two years ago. I am a stay-at-home mom, so during nap time and after the kids go to bed for the night, I play. My husband plays when he gets home from work until he goes to bed. The raiding guild me and my husband are in is very family-friendly and is full of husband-and-wife teams.
Earlier this year, we had a large group of players join the guild (which me and my husband are officers of). I befriended one of the female players when she and her friends joined after her husband joined. We became fast friends. We talked about our kids and even became friends on Facebook. She never really grouped much with her husband; it was just mainly me and my husband and some of her friends. As we became better friends, she confided in me about the issues between her and her husband.
Now, me and my husband had been having our ups and downs, like any healthy couple, and I had noticed that he was acting different after we talked or argued about something. I brushed it off, thinking that, I don't know, he was just tired or something. And I then noticed that he and she were spending a lot of time together in game and on Vent. At first, I didn't think anything about it. But after a month or so, I started to fell weird about it, and I told him. I said I really feel weird about the time you are spending with her. I mean, he was staying up later then he used to, much later, and was always in Vent when before he was only in Vent when we did a raid or a five-man. He told me that he understood and that he would try to keep it down and that it didn't mean anything, that they and us were all friends. Well, I brushed it off for a week or so, thinking I was just being crazy.
And then I noticed after another month that I was getting left out of the groups, and for some odd reason, she just kinda only talked to me when she wanted to know something. I again went to my husband and said this time I feel uncomfortable about it, and I didn't know really what their relationship was but I didn't like it and I wanted it to stop and just be game-related stuff. Since we are officers, I didn't want him to just ignore her. Well, things changed for a bit, and then it got really weird. I noticed that he was spending more time outside before he came in after work and that he wasn't calling me as much. I brushed that off as a rough work week over and over again. LOL
Well, one day I happened to go to his computer to do something with his character and noticed a whisper from her, and I was floored. I knew then what was going on. They were talking on the phone with each other every day. I checked phone records, and lo and behold, he had been talking and texting her for months. I was heartbroken.
I did not say anything to him until the next day. I just was so upset. I told our guild leader that I was taking a break from game and I would let him know when I was coming back. I then told my husband this the next day. He wanted to know why and I told him. We yelled at each other and we talked for hours. I told him it needed to end. He said he would end it the next day; I said no, tonight. So we went together to his computer and he ended it. She ask if she needed to leave the guild and we both told her no, that we didn't want to hurt the guild by her leaving.
And here is my question or questions. Do you think I did the right think by not asking her to leave or not leaving myself? Or how do I get over something like this? They never were physically together. We live thousands of miles apart. This was just over the phone and the computer. But they did share things with each other that should have been meant for only me. I was very hurt by this. And since I found out and he ended the affair (that is what I call it), she has been really mopey in guild and raids. They do not talk anymore on the phone, and in game, it is only guild- and raid-related stuff. But she is still stuck on him, and she is almost 10 years older then him. I don't understand what I need to do about this. I was just wondering how you would handle this kind of situation. I would love to know what other WoW women would do if they found themselves in this jam. Please help! Brokenhearted Raider
Drama Mama Lisa: I am so, so sorry to hear of your troubles. I think it might help to step back for a moment and review our advice from Wife aggro two weeks ago. As with Aggrowifed, whose new wife was feeling threatened by his play schedule, World of Warcraft isn't really the root of your problem. You probably already know this -- so you have to also realize, then, that the solution won't be found there, either.It's not fair to anyone involved for the three of you to face one another regularly in your guild. This isn't about keeping up appearances or making concessions; it's about throwing a life preserver to your marriage in a murky sea where your husband is already sinking fast. By failing to end this affair after months of repeatedly being confronted about his behavior, your husband has already shown that he's unable or unwilling to moderate his contact with the other woman.
It's time for you and your husband to take a WoW holiday. If you think that continuing to spend time playing with your husband would be helpful to your relationship, you could try transferring or re-rolling on another realm. Since this affair has spread beyond the game's borders, however, it's not much protection from the other woman. She already knows plenty of ways to get in touch with your husband. You can bet that she'll find out where you've transferred, if she really wants to know. Best to simply make a clean break from the game. You and your husband need a new dynamic and fresh ways to relate to one another right now. Ultimately, the time you've been spending in WoW would be better spent in counseling and in pastimes that are exclusive to your partnership and family, working on getting your marriage back on track. Best of luck, Brokenhearted. Stay strong.
Drama Mama Robin: Brokenhearted, I really feel for you and you are not alone. This story is as old as online communication. Before MMOs, before chat rooms, there were BBSs. People with modems have been surreptitiously carrying on affairs while appearing to be busily working/playing at their computers for more than 20 years. Before WoW, it happened to a very close friend of mine in EQ -- she made me search the chat logs to confirm her suspicions. It was a painful experience for all of us.
I think it is important to face the harsh realities of your situation, so I'm going to be blunt and I'm sorry if it hurts.
Online romances are intoxicating. It feels like the minds are meeting and directly communicating intimate thoughts and feelings -- without the distractions of physical imperfections, unpleasant smells and annoying mannerisms. And the participants who are in committed relationships with others rationalize their behavior with "it's not cheating if we don't touch." You call it an affair because it is an affair. People can argue that they didn't have physical sex and therefore didn't cheat all they want. But the fact is that he spent time, resources and emotions on another woman in the place of spending these things on you.
So I ask you, what if the three of you belonged to a softball team or poker club together instead of playing WoW? Would you still be attending those functions and enabling interactions between those two? I know that physically seeing her would be harder than the virtual interaction, but the principle is the same. She is going to keep tempting your husband and even if he is now completely trustworthy (with the woman he was untrustworthy with so recently), he still will have the stress of having to constantly turn down her advances.
As Lisa said, this isn't a WoW issue. Though it happened in Azeroth, it wasn't caused by the game. But to answer your question, I highly recommend that you sever all contact with this woman. Unfortunately, even if you get her to leave the guild and you both put her on ignore, she can always get on an alt and whisper your husband that way. In fact, she's probably doing that already. So you need to decide whether you want to get her to leave the guild (risking alt contact) or transfer/reroll on another server without telling her or any of her friends where you are going.
There are many successful marriages that have survived a straying spouse and many horrible marriages that have never undergone cheating of any kind. I hope that you are able to achieve happiness again, whether you are able to work things out with your husband or not. Regardless, life is too short to allow that woman any more influence on your mental well-being. /hug
Drama Buster of the Week
If you've finally talked a friend into playing WoW, give it up and spend some time playing with him. Give him some bags and a five-spot to get started, and be available to answer questions via /whisper while he works out the basics. Once he starts gaining a little ground, try to block out time once or twice a week to play together. Cover his butt when he's ready to hit Hillsbrad. Offer to run him through Scarlet when he's high enough to get the quests. Invite him to five-mans when he finally dings 80. Your circle of friends just got a little tighter – enjoy!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Gamer am I Nov 28th 2009 4:20PM
This was a very sobering read, I have to say. I can always count on Drama Mamas to remind me how much trouble other people are having in their lives, making my life seem better by comparison. I suppose it's like Dear Abby that way.
Also, is it just me, or has Drama Mamas really matured as a column? The issues you've been taking on have become more and more serious and consequential, as have the solutions offered. It's been quite enjoyable to see this column evolve. Keep up the good work!
sprout_daddy Nov 28th 2009 5:34PM
Amen to that last thought. At first, I was one of those wondering what the point of this column was going to be and taking the occasional poke at the name :-), but I'm please to have been proven wrong. Thank you, LIsa and Robin, for taking on interesting topics and providing well-reasoned, thoughtful responses. This has become one of the most interesting columns on WoW.com.
smi2ink Dec 3rd 2009 1:39AM
Reading everything so far especially the article brings me to struggle to hold back tears from rolling down my face... I wish I could have had the experience of being able to share with the mother of my children a special bond like the one you had in that mainly married or couples guild. In a very fast past world with access to internet everywhere, to be able to have a world in which you can bond and relate while the other is apart and together when possible to me is awesome. I think she (other woman) needs to not just leave the guild but go to another realm so she is not tempted again to whisper or vent and confide in officers that are already taken. I think that could be maybe a good rule to put in the game to try and stop tainting good game play.
This is something that has happened to me in real life and I have three kids and one child from another father that I always considered as my own. That poor child has been being used to excuse all kinds of chaos between us. I never blamed him though, but unfortunately I have said some things due to his mothers encouragement to not respect me as the father of the house and give him special or different rules and obligations to respect, listen and obey my rules and guidelines. As a result I have betrayed my own integrity and lowered my standards to the ones I had been feeling like I had been mocked with for many years. None of which of what I have said gives me any excuse to turn rogue type idealism of eye for an eye an tooth for a tooth type mentality to him or her. Some of the things I have said and done however can never be taken back and have found myself at a loss for finding way's to apologise for despite my view of being the only one that ever needs to repent. I believe that in rare occasions such as this, you can not just go directly right back and say your sorry for something that has started to be a repeated mistake. You have to give them time and space and pray you get the chance to apologise at a time when they have been able to heal enough and think about what happened to even have the ability to believe that you are sincere. Words and excuses start losing any meaning to their validity the more you justify ones actions with the same reaction or response.
With the mother of my children and love of my life... I do no think at this point that it can be repaired. Whether this is due to mistakes that I have made in the past or mistakes that she has made have no validity to my view of this belief and reality of judgement at this point. More of double standards and the repeated scene of her saying I never want to talk and work things out, turning into a one way conversation of me just not having the ability to shut the !@#$ up and let them vent their feelings with no regards to the facts belief all true or me being able to vent my side and to me that is not a conversation that is a degradation defamation of my character or even validity to what they are saying is how I feel about the situation. As for counseling she always agrees but never does anything to show any attempt to due anything but pacify me with words that have been overthrown by a sick opposite of actions being revealed in the end.
My kids and I have been shown too much neglect and have been ignored far too long for me to have that kind of faith any more. I am federally disabled and have taken on the responsibility to protect and love the two children (6 months and 2 years old) I have been left with. I still struggle with my ability to ignore and not become a mocking bird of the partial lies that are I am being accused of. With my Father who art in Heave, I will survive however. My sadness has become so severe that I lack the ability to show any sadness or remorse or reaction to the situation any more.
I had just been recruited into my first guild on the toon I first started with lately since she stoped coming home this last month and have been kinda surprised by the uplifting of my spirits without the drama mama soap opera even coming into conversations in order to achieve this somewhat bliss. Oh yeah, one more thing. She tried to say that I spent too much time on the computer and other things. So I tried stoping my art or computer actions or whatever I would be doing to see if this was true. To my disappointment, the result was the same. She would have her say, not let me respond, start yelling and accusing me for never listening or having any consideration to her feelings, then out the door. Hours started to turn into days and now she is getting her own place and she says it is none of my business where or what she does. Even though, I thought that if we were to be good parents, should both have, if not for us, for the children that she hardly cares to see. She can put the blame on me though even though it is not all my fault you see.
In other news I changed computers to a different operating system called ubuntu and now I can not load the cd-rom in order for me to play... If anyone knows how to help with that maybe fixable issue please e-mail me at smi.ink@live.com or find me under facebook with the same address. Thank you all. It would surprise the hell out of me if anyone reads this all the way through... I just keep praying on getting the recources to be able to provide for my children and go back to college.
Holgar Nov 28th 2009 4:22PM
""There are many successful marriages that have survived a straying spouse and many horrible marriages that have never undergone cheating of any kind. I hope that you are able to achieve happiness again, whether you are able to work things out with your husband or not. ""
The question here is, IS HE SORRY? Dose he want to make your relationship work? It takes two people to build a marraige and it also takes two to save it.
Hycinia Nov 28th 2009 8:11PM
Yeah that was kind of my thought. Is he sorry? Also, if he's already fooling around online, it's not that big a step to start fooling around in RT as well. I do agree that a relationship can be saved after an incident such as this, but both parties have to want to. Refusing to break off contact with his internet mistress for so long doesn't sound like he cares enough to want to.
Marloe Nov 30th 2009 3:48AM
I agree, he didn't seem to sorry and to be honest I am amazed you stayed relatively calm! I would have kicked his ass then gone to her and kicked her ass to! I can't stand bull like that at all. Her acting mopey ingame? She should have moved realms for gods sake nevermind staying in the same guild! The bitch should have to play Hello Kitty Adventure Island for three years before she can come back to wow! In short, I think that wanting to work on your rekationship is admirable but she is the cancer and needs to be cut out. You need to find the reasons why he would have cheated on you, otherwise its doomed to happen again.
Duncan Nov 28th 2009 4:25PM
Dear Brokenhearted,
MY heart goes out to you. My wife and I went through the same thing a couple of year ago. Yes this kind of affair is real. even if you they didn't meet in real life. So don't listen to anyone that tells you different.
But I'm here to tell you hang strong. you can and will get through this. you must stop all contact with her and move on. move to another server, reroll what ever you have to do. obviously your marriage is more important then what server you play on. my wife and I are closer now then we ever have been. you can use this to get stronger or push each other away. Its all up to you two. I wish you well.
Moonkinmaniac Nov 28th 2009 4:27PM
I don't think this is a wow issue at all, more a trust one. Its sad since the writer has kids, but I doubt if a guy did something like that he wouldn't be doing other things else where. I'd suggest counseling or seriously thinking about if its still working at all. :(
Mr Angry Nov 28th 2009 4:30PM
You have kids and you didn't want to 'hurt the guild', please get priorities straight here... You knew what you should have done, but you couldn't because you are addicted to WoW sadly. You need to get your husband back in line and get your relationship straight. don't turn to gaming websites for vindication. PC games are entertainment, I don't see how things have gone so far off track, when did it stop being fun?
This isn't about WoW, it's about a dysfunctional relationship. Let's draw a distinction between news and stories regarding World of Warcraft and watching the next car crash.
Mr Angry Nov 28th 2009 5:09PM
The truth must hurt :)
samamel Nov 28th 2009 5:14PM
i completely agree with mr. Angry, and don't understand why his post was downrated.
Kylenne Nov 28th 2009 5:25PM
Personally I downrated you because even though I agree with the gist of what you're saying (that this is not inherently about WoW and that both parties here needed to get some steel in their spines to save the marriage), ignoring that WoW can exacerbate situations like this is naive at best and engaging in the same kind of addiction mentality at worst.
I have seen this kind of scenario play out over and over and over again over the span of 15+ years of gaming online in various forms, and I can tell you that while gaming doesn't *create* these problems, if there are existing problems in a relationship, they can be exacerbated by the kind of escapism online gaming encourages. And I sadly have personal experience with that, though cheating did not factor into it (thank Saurfang). If a couple has shitty communication skills and is not spending very much time together, WoW is only going to make that worse IMO, as it did in this case. Some introspection and self-awareness are helpful here.
Mr Angry Nov 28th 2009 5:38PM
I'll lastly like to add that taking relationship advice for those predisposed to sitting in front of a PC trying to ignore real life for as long as possible, is probably the worst advice anyone could wish for.
Lady, just turn the WoW off, and get some marriage counseling.
PirateEmery Nov 28th 2009 5:46PM
As sad as it is, I think Mr. Angry hit it right on the nail.
Bronwyn Nov 29th 2009 4:27PM
The thing I take issue here is saying that the questioner is "addicted to WoW" because they didn't stop the game as soon as the problem started. That may be the case, but that also may NOT be the case.
I'm sorry, but once you start playing with other people, it's natural to worry about them. And sometimes that ends up being a problem- but it's not because you're addicted to WoW, it's because you worry about other people too much. Plus, you can end up with a very close-knit group of friends you met online- they are no less real than your "real life" friends.
That said, I personally recommend definitely taking a break (temporary or permanent) from WoW because it *does* exacerbate issues like this. Any close friends you've made in the guild- get their other contact info (the woman in question EXCLUDED of course), and keep in touch that way. Don't feel like you're tethered to WoW to keep in touch with people you have grown close to (other officers, etc). And if you leaving really will be bad for the guild, well, like I said before, there IS a point where you have to be able to pull back and just worry about yourselves. They'll get over it, but the marriage might not if the effort isn't put in.
miria Nov 28th 2009 4:34PM
so sorry for the lady, i understand a bit it happened in my family, but in rl..
i wonder if you have kids if they had noticed or how it could affect them, even if they are very little they tend to sense things, plus if you said you yelled and stuff. you should somehow do things to make them be at easy
and i personally think that woman should leave the guild, if she's like that and does those things.. being in a guild full of married couples, i think she's in the wrong guild, and if she's out she will have less excuses to see both of you, if your guild hasnt noticed yet what hapened, but they love u guys they should understand..
smi2ink May 12th 2010 9:31AM
Reading everything so far especially the article brings me to struggle to hold back tears from rolling down my face... I wish I could have had the experience of being able to share with the mother of my children a special bond like the one you had in that mainly married or couples guild. In a very fast past world with access to internet everywhere, to be able to have a world in which you can bond and relate while the other is apart and together when possible to me is awesome. I think she (other woman) needs to not just leave the guild but go to another realm so she is not tempted again to whisper or vent and confide in officers that are already taken. I think that could be maybe a good rule to put in the game to try and stop tainting good game play.
This is something that has happened to me in real life and I have three kids and one child from another father that I always considered as my own. That poor child has been being used to excuse all kinds of chaos between us. I never blamed him though, but unfortunately I have said some things due to his mothers encouragement to not respect me as the father of the house and give him special or different rules and obligations to respect, listen and obey my rules and guidelines. As a result I have betrayed my own integrity and lowered my standards to the ones I had been feeling like I had been mocked with for many years. None of which of what I have said gives me any excuse to turn rogue type idealism of eye for an eye an tooth for a tooth type mentality to him or her. Some of the things I have said and done however can never be taken back and have found myself at a loss for finding way's to apologise for despite my view of being the only one that ever needs to repent. I believe that in rare occasions such as this, you can not just go directly right back and say your sorry for something that has started to be a repeated mistake. You have to give them time and space and pray you get the chance to apologise at a time when they have been able to heal enough and think about what happened to even have the ability to believe that you are sincere. Words and excuses start losing any meaning to their validity the more you justify ones actions with the same reaction or response.
With the mother of my children and love of my life... I do no think at this point that it can be repaired. Whether this is due to mistakes that I have made in the past or mistakes that she has made have no validity to my view of this belief and reality of judgement at this point. More of double standards and the repeated scene of her saying I never want to talk and work things out, turning into a one way conversation of me just not having the ability to shut the !@#$ up and let them vent their feelings with no regards to the facts belief all true or me being able to vent my side and to me that is not a conversation that is a degradation defamation of my character or even validity to what they are saying is how I feel about the situation. As for counseling she always agrees but never does anything to show any attempt to due anything but pacify me with words that have been overthrown by a sick opposite of actions being revealed in the end.
My kids and I have been shown too much neglect and have been ignored far too long for me to have that kind of faith any more. I am federally disabled and have taken on the responsibility to protect and love the two children (6 months and 2 years old) I have been left with. I still struggle with my ability to ignore and not become a mocking bird of the partial lies that are I am being accused of. With my Father who art in Heave, I will survive however. My sadness has become so severe that I lack the ability to show any sadness or remorse or reaction to the situation any more.
I had just been recruited into my first guild on the toon I first started with lately since she stoped coming home this last month and have been kinda surprised by the uplifting of my spirits without the drama mama soap opera even coming into conversations in order to achieve this somewhat bliss. Oh yeah, one more thing. She tried to say that I spent too much time on the computer and other things. So I tried stoping my art or computer actions or whatever I would be doing to see if this was true. To my disappointment, the result was the same. She would have her say, not let me respond, start yelling and accusing me for never listening or having any consideration to her feelings, then out the door. Hours started to turn into days and now she is getting her own place and she says it is none of my business where or what she does. Even though, I thought that if we were to be good parents, should both have, if not for us, for the children that she hardly cares to see. She can put the blame on me though even though it is not all my fault you see.
In other news I changed computers to a different operating system called ubuntu and now I can not load the cd-rom in order for me to play... If anyone knows how to help with that maybe fixable issue please e-mail me at smi.ink@live.com or find me under facebook with the same address. Thank you all. It would surprise the hell out of me if anyone reads this all the way through... I just keep praying on getting the recources to be able to provide for my children and go back to college.
Liz Nov 30th 2009 1:09AM
@miria
so true; I remember when I was 3 and whenever my mum and dad had an argument I would feel sad/angry/fustrated as well; and I still do if it's a friend or close family that's just had a problem. I'm actually more concerned for the children than for the husband/wife issue. The children are the next generation; treat them nicely! :p
WoW < real life
Deadly. Off. Topic. Nov 30th 2009 12:48PM
What bothers me is that I see a lot of comments made towards the other woman saying she should leave the server or guild, but do you know what? It takes two to tangle. The guy is just as much as fault as the lady.
Although in my opinion, the guy is MORE at fault because he didn't bother to work things out with his wife and just went and for another outlet. He should have been paying attention to his wife and dealing things out with her instead of cheating. He had the choice and he just didn't care until he got caught.
He's just as responsible and more so.
Kaisa Nov 28th 2009 4:59PM
"I am a stay-at-home mom, so during nap time and after the kids go to bed for the night, I play. My husband plays when he gets home from work until he goes to bed. "
This is the part that concerns me. My husband and I both play, and at first we played like this too...all the time. Since then we've cut back because we realized we weren't spending any real time together. I can't offer any advice re: the cheating issue, but I can say that it sounds to me like Brokenhearted and her husband never actually see each other to talk, work out issues, and to do husband and wife type things. This could be having a huge impact on their marriage.