World of Warcraft and Philosophy got released a little while back -- it's a book by Luke Cuddy and John Nordlinger that examines WoW-related topics like roleplaying and
the Corrupted Blood plague, and ties them into philsophical ideas and thinking. TechFlash has
now posted an interview with Nordlinger, and it's a good read as well. Nordlinger says that one reason they chose to talk about
World of Warcraft in this way is that it's so incredibly big -- when you have 12 million (give or take a few at this point) people playing a game with a GDP larger than some smaller nations, you're going to touch on all sorts of interesting ethical, moral, and other philosophical ideas. He says the book has been pretty popular, and a few universities are currently considering teaching courses based on the material, not only because it's interesting, but
thinking about the game in this way helps improve abstract thinking in general.
And perhaps most interesting, he says that reading the book could help players better make ethical and moral decisions in the game. Just
ninja-ing the mount from an Onyxia raid might not mean much to you, but when you look at the bigger picture, and what those actions mean for ethics in general, Nordlinger says the book might help players "make more aware decisions, if not different decisions." Of course, in practice, trying to explain higher philosophy to ninjas might not have the desired effect, but it does seem true that exploring the higher meanings of this game and the intents of the people playing it might put a little more meaning into the pixels as well.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
jurandr Nov 29th 2009 4:03PM
I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of WoW players doesn't give a damn about ethics.
At least, the ones who actually use the chat features.
Craig R Nov 29th 2009 4:10PM
coincidentally, most of that particular crowd doesn't seem to give a damn about their spelling, either.
Frapter Nov 29th 2009 4:50PM
I'll be honest, the real value of ethics has always escaped me. Nihilism FTW.
Eli Nov 29th 2009 4:59PM
@Frapter
This would require pages of explanation, and I hate typing that much =/
That's why I hate trade debates haha... my fingers get tired, and I can't type as fast as i think
Byron Nov 29th 2009 9:12PM
@Frapter: Imagine a world in which every single human thinks exactly as you do, then let us know if you figure out any reasons valuing ethics.
Another way of looking at it: Ethics didn't evolve into existence randomly, something in human society stimulated to their creation and normalization. What could have done that?
Eric Nov 29th 2009 4:18PM
I am definitely going to read this. I try to stay out of the /2 BS. But sometimes I can't refrain myself from telling off an a**hole a time or two. Guess it would be better if I just /ignored them. lol.
anyway, is this a book or something I can pick up at a local bookstore like B&N??
SaintStryfe Nov 29th 2009 4:36PM
Yes, I bought it at my local BN - it's in the Philosophy section.
Eric Nov 29th 2009 8:41PM
Ohh wow. I thought it would be in the section with all the other WoW books. Thxs alot! I would have never found it lol
Deathgodryuk Nov 29th 2009 4:27PM
I don't think the "QQ Moar noob" ninja crowd is going to be doing much of any reading, especially not philosophical reading on the topic of ethics.
Gamer am I Nov 29th 2009 4:35PM
If I were you, Mike, I wouldn't encourage ninjas to read this book; the chapter about ninja looting actually justifies it, so you'll only encourage them. If you read that chapter carefully, there are actually quite a few holes in the author's argument, but I doubt ninja looters will care about those.
Kakistocracy Nov 29th 2009 4:54PM
I think there may be some variation in who is influenced, and by what, for example, I may be more likely to take Eleatic Monism into consideration than most people, but still not as likely as I am to apply Hume's criticism of induction.
That said, problematic people are often those most settled in their ways, which is why the Aristotelian solution is to beat people until they comply if they reject reason.
Celeane Nov 29th 2009 7:11PM
This is correct, basically that chapter says there are no consequences for ninjaing, so it isn't wrong. One of many reasons the book was less than exciting to read (and I generally like the philosophy-and series).
Kromus Nov 29th 2009 4:43PM
I love thinking about philosophy, and I love WoW, so put the two togeather and you get a realisation about how much one thing you do makes a difference.
At the end of the day people at school in groups act like maniac murlocs (definately on about the uncivilised kind that gank you in Elwyn), so its no suprise what people act like in a game behind a keyboard shield of anomity.
hell I'll proberly read this.
Zayd Nov 29th 2009 5:33PM
I tank therefore I am.
Vaulkner Nov 29th 2009 8:11PM
I'd be interested to read this book just to see if it would really help foster a "critical-thinking friendly" disposition in the average WoW player. Even if it is ineffective, I applaud anyone who would make the effort to do so.
I'd wager that if you mentioned the phrase "critical-thinking" to many of them, they would assume you were referring them to Elitist Jerks.
Loremaster Roht Nov 29th 2009 8:27PM
The unfortunate problem with trying to teach philosophy and ethics to people over the internet is that they don't want to listen. In fact, many of them have actually come to the conclusion that because there is no "real" consequences for acting like complete jerks over the internet.... they have all the reason too.
The very existence of GIFT (link below) is pretty much this exactly.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GIFT
I'll probably end up getting my backside burned for linking this, but here's a topic on GameFAQs of all places which puts your typical greedy WoW player against another who is rather stubborn about keeping their ethics and integrity intact over the internet. Philosophy did get dragged into it.
I suggest that the you read the full topic if you read it at all (and it's a long one).
Link:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=534914&topic=52350673
Touchy territory, very touchy.
Killchrono Nov 29th 2009 10:18PM
Tbh I didn't find that Gamefaqs reading to be interesting in the slightest. It was just an arguement between an over-zealous moral crusader using lots of purple prose, and a forum troll that was getting off on acting better than everyone else while paying out WoW at the same time.
But yeah, the GIFT hits the nail on the head. Simple truth is that there's no enforcement of good behavior in WoW, which is why dickwad behavior like spam chat, unreasonable gearscore requirements and ninja'ing is so prevalent.
Scritch Nov 29th 2009 10:56PM
I bought this book off Amazon recently and have to say I was really intrigued by some of the content. I quite enjoyed the read, and recommend it to all WOW players :)
flyingpenguin Nov 30th 2009 1:11AM
Sounds very interesting. I'm taking a course about MMOs and Philosophy next quarter at Northwestern. Seems like I should check this out first.
fernando Nov 30th 2009 5:09AM
i would read it out of curiosity... but since the ninja thing was brought up, i suggest that the GMs take the complains seriously and do something about raid ninjas... up today they wash their hands.