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11-30-2009 @ 1:20PM
Would the new answer to "casual PvE" guild be an achievement-based guild, instead of a "casual raiding" guild? Achievements can be a lot of fun in a group setting. You can "schedule" achievement goals much more loosely than a raid. You can still have a sense of accomplishment and a social atmosphere, and you don't ever have to get a certain number of people online at the same time, nor do you have to leave anyone out at any time. There is no pressure on people to meet a certain skill standard (mostly), and group composition is typically unimportant.I'm kind of shocked I haven't seen anyone try this. Has anyone ever heard of this?
11-30-2009 @ 3:35PM
An "achievement" guild would be a 25-man raiding guild working on hardmodes. That's where most of the achievement points are (since such a guild can easily work on 10-man achievements as well). There just aren't many achievements that require more than 1 player that aren't raiding or battleground achievements, and raid and BG achievements require dedicated skilled players (not all of them, but if you want to get a lot of points they do). Even being in a dedicated and successful 10-man raiding guild I am really struggling to find a path to get the 9000 point feat of strength that is coming, and that's with every Naxx 10-man and nearly every ulduar 10-man achievement and probably hundreds of hours invested into BGs.If you are only going for easy achievements, or you are doing things with no particular skill standard, why would you need the support of a guild? Even just going for Glory of the Raider requires people with some skill and practice (or people who raid to overgear them). A nice friendly casual guild will help people get achievements, I'm sure, but I don't see the niche for a guild that focuses on them, since focusing on raiding and/or PvP is the way to get most of the points.
11-30-2009 @ 4:09PM
The whole point of a casual, social guild is that you don't NEED the guild, you prefer it for the social aspect. Hardmodes are actually a very small percentage of the achievement points you can get. Think of all the fun you could have getting the holiday meta achievements with a group of people that you have fun playing with, without the pressure of getting it done before raid time. Or instead of spamming guild chat with questions about which bracers you should be wearing, asking about that cute new vanity pet that you saw in Dalaran. Wrath created a different class of casual. Just as they opened up raiding to casual players, they created a whole slew of achievements to point out the casual gameplay themes that already existed while also adding more casual play elements that are well "below" the raiding curve. The whole reason my GF won't join a guild right now is because of the elitist attitude that any achievement worth having requires 25 people working together flawlessly and the pressure that can come with that. She likes farming for vanity pets and mounts. If you put her in a group of people clearing Strat repeatedly for the Baron mount, and let her squeal in fear at the spiders to her hearts content, and said, "Hey, just spam Rain of Fire on my head," She'd love it. No one critiquing her gear or her build. No one needing her to be online at a certain time (because they are easy and they don't NEED her to be there at the top of her game). The obvious slack-jawed answer to this is to tell her to go play Hello-Kitty or Pokemon crap. But she likes WoW. And WoW has many elements that cater specifically to her playstyle. She can't be alone in this. Why not have a guild for it?
11-30-2009 @ 4:20PM
Dude.. that sounds frikin awesome! lol. I like the idea a lot. An achievement based guild... hmm i might just have to give that a try:)
11-30-2009 @ 8:17PM
@makebooms Sounds like she just needs the right guild.Our guild runs as thus: almost anyone can join as long as they're reasonably mature, ie, we're not interesting in 13 year olds that act like idiots. Or 30 year olds that act like idiots. There are standards if you want to come on raids (as there should be). But if you don't noone cares what your gear or build is or what you do with your time.We have one pally who logs on a few times a week, chats in guild and runs strath over and over for the mount. We sometimes take him on heroics and things to get him some gear but mostly he just does his own thing. Now if he wanted to raid with us, we'd point him in the direction of our pally class leader and have them work out where he needs to get to before that's going to happen. But doing as he is, he's fine.Honestly I don't know WHY guilds are so obsessed with every member being elite or whatever. We have our raid teams and yeah, those you might not get into until you reach a certain level.. but if you want to hang out in gchat and have fun doing random stuff around the world on your own or with a couple others, why would anyone mind?
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