i agree with you jack. to me it sounds like the GMs problem is with a pattern of behavior not the fact that the individual is male. i've been in half a dozen different guilds and i have never had/seen/been partner to the kind of behavior she describes. but then again... i've really only been in guilds with mature adults/teenagers. not saying that teenage males aren't rude/crude and offensive, but on the other hand... i have never met a bigger drama queen than a teenage girl.

i'll say, whatever works for you, then bravo. you found a niche and you are gaming happily. more power to you. it is sad that you get trolled because of what you do. the game world can be a harsh place. its unfortunate that some people can't behave like mature adults.

I was debating on posting my comment and almost decided against it because I wasn't sure how it sounded. Since you bring it up, though:

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If your only goal is to avoid drama or offensive /g-chat, then "respect eachother" would seem to be a better rule than simply "be female."

Once you start disallowing respectful males whom you enjoy playing with (such as guildies' husbands and siblings), the all female thing ceases to be a rational protection against bad behavior and becomes nothing more than a gimmick.

This is not to say that gimmick guilds are wrong, of course...if someone wants to make a guild that only allows dwarf rogues or people who listen to Imogen Heap, I think that's awesome. This male and female only brother/sister thing is awesome, too, for those that enjoy it.

I just think it should be seen for what it is...a neat little gimmick. Say that you made an all female guild because you think it's cool...not because males automatically ruin guilds or something.



Hopefully what I'm saying made sense. I'm not trying to down the guild or anything. Eh...I'm just gonna go sit in the corner...

My suggestion for the guilds would be to create a special chat channel they can use to communicate together, but still have their repective guilds and guild chats. For example, create "goddessandlords" as a seperate channel, leave instructions how to join the channel in guild info (if they so choose) then husbands, boyfriends, or friends still have a communal place to chat while maintaining the integrity of the guilds.

The command? /join goddessandlords (or whatever you make it)

Have fun!

There already is a special channel for that but how often is it actually used? You see my point? I've seen drama come from all shapes and sizes i just think its a little far.

Druidski,

I could be wrong, but I thought the article said they had a chat channel set up.

Still...I find that I like talking about guild business with my fiancee, who's obviously in my guild. I like that when I say, "Hey, we got our last bank tab today," it actually means something to her.

Like I said, this gimmick is great for people who enjoy it, but I could see how the cross-guild chat wouldn't be enough for some people like myself.

So it would seem. Regardless, other guilds may benefit from this information.

@ jack - i simply can't understand how you deal with it. i play with my gf and i can't imagine not being in the same guild. sure, we sit next to each other, so it's not like we have to type to communicate, but it makes it so much easier for one of us to alt-tab to look something up while still being able to read our own gchat on the other screen.

@ (cutaia) - i'm with you 100%. avoiding drama is great, but the fact that they are unwilling to waver on the "female only" for RL exceptions really does make it more of a gimmick guild.

i am in a wonderful guild. we are all supportive of each other, we all donate and withdraw from the gbank, we are all very friendly and mature. it's basically run by a bunch of family members and consists of people that have been invited because they are family, RL friends, or long time in-game friends. they key point to this is that there is almost no drama besides simple personality clashes and there are almost no children/people that act like children in the guild... not a coincidence.

@ myredd - please don't take this an an attempt to be inflammatory, derogatory, or a troll in any way, i'm merely stating my opinion on this: i think you need to go read this interview from an outside perspective. it seems to me that you are as sexist as the people you are trying to avoid. i'm sorry to be so blunt, but the fact that you cannot allow exceptions to the rule for husbands and boyfriends and respectful adult males really grates against me. just turn it around and think if there was a male only guild with their reasoning being that "girls generally whine and cause drama." it would sound *really* dumb. if you look at your response to the question about the amount of drama two things should immediately pop out at you: 1) the people who cause drama were all younger (teen boys AND girls alike) 2) you were willing to talk to the younger girl about her behavior and give her a bit of room to become more mature while can't you even manage to admit the male significant others of your female players... people that probably wouldn't ever need a talking to or a warning of any kind.

if you want a female only guild because you want to avoid the male influence and attitudes that's fine, but don't act like derogatory language, sexism, harassment and drama are a product of having males in the guild or that girls are above this kind of behavior either. you state your guild is a safe-haven for the female WoW-player, but who would be hurt if you let people's husbands and boyfriends in? not a single soul. besides, there's always gkick if it comes down to it.

and finally, i think an article about "special interests" guilds should have the spotlight on actual special interests as they were vaguely mentioned before the break. not a guild whose only special interest is what gender you are. seems a special interest guild would be a bit smaller demographic than ~50% of the population.

@(cutaia)

I agree with you totally about this being a gimmick, and the gimmick is "hey look, we're a bunch of misandrists and we want everyone to pay attention to us." Their argument that the reason for being 'all female' is to avoid the drama caused by teenage boys is weak. If that is what they were concerned with, then they could craete a non restricted guild and just /gkick ANYONE who caused 'drama'.

I've seen a lot of women called out in Guildwatch who caused drama but let a group of men try and start a 'men only' guild based on that fact and see how much grief they get.

Why not make a cross guild chat channel?