The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Prot PvP

Okay, this time let me just say that the past two weeks have been kind of a small revelation for me, in that I have reluctantly done things like play a lot of Warsong Gulch and done 2v2 and 3v3 arena matches. I did these in my prot spec, which I usually consider a full PvE spec, I didn't even tweak it for PvP.
I crushed fools. Please, keep in mind I am not good at PvP. I'm not one of those warriors who will brag often about how awesome he is in Arenas (because I'm not) and as far as battlegrounds are concerned, well, I enjoy them but I don't really think going to Alterac Valley and tanking Drek and his Warmasters counts as PvP. Fun, yes. Lots of fun. It's sort of hilarious when people keep asking "Who's tanking?" in AV and someone else will notice my health and the shield I have on and volunteer me for the job.
Prot offers you a means to survive against casters, to shut down an enemy player for a solid amount of time, to withstand gib attempts and it even has solid burst damage potential if properly geared for.
Now, my Arena experience with prot is limited to a few dozen matches at this point, mostly in 2's with a few 3's thrown in. However, in Arena PvP I'm noticing I get better results when I gear for strength via a mix of PvP and tanking gear, and block value doesn't hurt at all. I generally PvP with between 2600 and 3000 BV buffed, which isn't too hard to arrange since my regular tanking set already has 2100 SBV anyway. Slap on the T9 tank legs, a couple of Ulduar tank pieces and a lot of high STR gear and you're ready to go.
My purpose in arenas seems to be shutting down the DPS. When doing 2's I usually run with a mage, so his job is to keep the healer incapacitated long enough for me to work on the DPS, although sometimes this switches around and I'm assigned the healer to harass. While my damage output isn't terrible when geared for strength, I'm still not actually there for killing power, but rather to serve as a general incapacitator/irritant. To a degree the past months working on Faction Champions have helped sharpen my awareness of my silences and stuns and how best to use them: turning myself away from the sheep to hit Shockwave is almost second nature to me now.
What I really like about PvPing as prot is the control the spec has. Even with a very heavily stacked strength/block value set (which I don't recommend) you're never really going to match the damage output of an arms or fury warrior (although you could get some nice burst from a Shield Slam crit) but with Warbringer, Shield Bash with Gag Order (Heroic Throw that silences? Yes please.) Spell Reflect, Shockwave and Concussion Blow you have a warrior spec that's finally capable of dealing with casters. No longer are warriors basically a free kill to anything in a dress that wanders by. In my opinion 80% of the crying of a warrior ability being OP comes from people who are used to being able to see that warrior icon and immediately cackling in glee at the idea of being able to boil you like a poached egg inside your own armor. It's fair to say that a caster who comes up against a prot warrior who is even remotely paying attention to what he or she is doing will no longer have quite so fast and amusing a time... as the warlock who jumped me outside of Wintergrasp discovered.
Prot's strength in PvP is in combining all of the tools to keep enemies locked down/incapacitated. It's basically the ultimate manifestation of tanking as a form of CC, because you basically tank your opponents. You don't have taunt, so you can't force them to attack you, no, but you have so many other forms of silence/stun that you can keep them from attacking anyone else. (Two ranks in Improved Spell Reflection are magical in PvP. In fact, while I don't always bother with Imp SR for tanking, for PvP the talent is almost mandatory for a prot spec.)
Again, I'm no expert, I'm just starting to get serious about PvPing as prot. (In fact, expect to see a more detailed post in a few weeks as I get my 5's team together and start working on that aspect of the game.) But while for arenas prot is certainly viable now, for BG's and Wintergrasp I find prot to be by far my most satisfying game experience, so much more so than arms or fury (and yes, even taking Bladestorm into account) I'd recommend prot to all warriors who can get a decent set of high strength gear together. For most BG's, I wear my full prot set (occasionally I swap in a PvP trinket but honestly I prefer having my two tanking trinkets instead most of the time) and just make a nuisance of myself. Things prot warriors are very, very good at in BG's:
- Defending any sort of clickable objective. Is it the flag at the Lumber Mill, Iceblood Tower, or even the great big titan relic in WG? Put yourself in front of it and use Thunder Clap, Shockwave and Intimidating Shout liberally. Spell Reflect as often as you can, pop all your defensive cooldowns once you see your health dropping. People will swear, curse your name, and sometimes even create a toon to bitch you out on your home server. (The Titan Relic is pretty easy to click, though, so don't be too disappointed if they get it anyway.)
- Stealthers. You have access to shouts, AoE's and Rend. Make use of all of them. Flush out those cowards and then sit on their butts. Don't be afraid to switch stances to Hamstring. Hope the rogue doesn't dismantle before stunning you, though. That hurts.
- Tanking anything that needs to be tanked. You mostly see this in AV, but there's annoying mobs in Wintergrasp as well.
- Creating a bottleneck. Against smart players this is much harder, but if you can catch a group of zerging players and get them annoyed enough with you, you can eat a lot of damage (especially if you're being healed) and keep them away from an objective. That's right, prot warriors, occasionally it's good to fight on the road. Be smart about it, though, don't let the enemy cap things while you're messing about. The goal is to force them to play dumb, not to play dumb yourself.
- Flag carrying. Doesn't really need a lot more details, does it?
- Anti-melee capacity. With the exception of a well played rogue (who can take away your shield and weapon and make you stand around and let things hit you, negating dodge and parry) there's pretty much no melee class in the game that you can't completely mess with. Try to avoid another tank, though. You'll both just end up feeling silly. But go after ret pallies, DPS DK's and arms/fury warriors with abandon. (And please remember to try and SR pally and DK spells - it is extra hilarious to see a DK Chains of Ice himself.)
Filed under: Warrior, Analysis / Opinion, Odds and ends, PvP, (Warrior) The Care and Feeding of Warriors, Wrath of the Lich King, Battlegrounds, Arena






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Zalvi24 Dec 4th 2009 4:05PM
Swifty is really good as prot pvp and he made video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuJmsQv6nM
enjoy
Ashley Dec 4th 2009 4:08PM
This is the only way I'll pvp. On my prot warrior. I actually survive to see what's going on, and I contribute to my team. : )
Coldbear Dec 4th 2009 5:57PM
You're not sorry Matthew. You found something that's slightly OP and has an insane amount of survivability in pvp when coupled with a decent healer, and you're enjoying it while it lasts.
If you played a normal dps class against such beasts you'd be crying foul, no doubt. Good thing publicizing the spec in pvp like this will only contribute to the nerf, so good on you for getting it out in the open so more people are aware and can discuss it.
BKWopper123 Jan 8th 2010 6:42PM
a warrior is slightly OP!?!?!?!?!?! beat it with the nerf stick fast, otherwise they might kill some other classes in PvP!
Lemons Dec 4th 2009 4:10PM
Way to write a whole column that's basically promoting a fotm. Prot is OP atm and if Blizz doesn't want half the pvp community to ragequit it's going to be nerfed very soon(tm).
I wonder if the DK columnist ever did this...
"Guess what guys? We're OP as hell! Get out there and pwn some noobs! BOO YEA!"
nikdaheratik Dec 4th 2009 4:19PM
Umm actually this is exactly the same kind of thing that a good frost DK spec can do, only instead of spell reflect, they get hungering cold. And Blizzard said at the start of the expac that they wanted prot PVP to at least work in BGs (beside AV) so it's not a FoTM at all.
Matthew Rossi Dec 4th 2009 4:36PM
I'm sorry I enjoy doing something in game.
Astemus Dec 4th 2009 4:38PM
I experienced the same pleasure PVPing on my prot warrior during BC. And Wrath. So, it's hardly a "flavor of the month" spec. I eventually stopped because I only liked tanking and had really no use for the full sets of pvp gear I got. I didn't even use it for PVP. So i realized it was all a waste and just swapped to my druid. I miss the warrior when i go PVP tanking as a druid. About all I can do is swipe spam for slows and charge interrupt occasionally.
Mordockk Dec 4th 2009 5:06PM
@nikdaheratik frost dk spec is absolutely nothing like a prot warrior pvp. do you arena as a dk? i hope your comment doesn't get upgraded too much more for this comment because it shows you kno nothing of the mechanics of the classes.
Downrate his comment if you want but he is absolutely correct, prot warrior was never a real viable arena/pvp spec until recently it has become the flavor of the month.
Also known as the, Lumberjack cleave, protwarriors are great for locking down druids(the hardest healer to lock down in pvp)
don't even get me started on prot/holy palladins that burst like a prot/warrior and heal like a sumbitch. lol 8k avengershield
Mordockk Dec 4th 2009 5:13PM
"Umm actually this is exactly the same kind of thing that a good frost DK spec can do, only instead of spell reflect, they get hungering cold"
./facepalm
Metatron Dec 4th 2009 8:04PM
I play a hunter and i come across many prot warriors in BGs... They lock me down pretty well and i actually welcome it. What's the point of killing players that are easy? Even a badly played prot warrior can give you a few scares... so embrace, fight for your right to live, so to speak :)
Lemons Dec 5th 2009 6:45AM
"I experienced the same pleasure PVPing on my prot warrior during BC. And Wrath. So, it's hardly a "flavor of the month" spec."
What do you think fotm is exactly? Sometimes they're new specs, but sometimes they're old specs that suddenly become incredibly powerful. Prot is the latter.
I'm against any spec that can just faceroll to win. PvP should take a certain amount of skill and finesse. Prot takes none, and I'm sorry you enjoy doing something that requires no skill, because it's a slap in the face to people who have actually worked to get good at PvP instead of just having everything handed to them.
DeathPaladin Dec 4th 2009 4:16PM
Protection-specced Warriors and Paladins can definitely be beasts in PvP now. Especially in Wintergrasp when they have Tenacity. It's like trying to knock down a building by repeatedly spitting on it.
jjtwalton Dec 4th 2009 7:08PM
Hahaha! :D
paul Dec 4th 2009 4:20PM
"The next time I discuss prot PvP (depending on when patch 3.3 starts) I'll talk in"
Yeah, but saying that isnt really giving us any idea of when your next prot PvP Prot article will be, since we dont know when Patch 3.3 will some. Although, we might have a few ideas and hints, with Blizz saying it might some next week. If only you could be more clear about when your next Prot arcticle will be. How about you give us a date of when it will be? Or even better, a date of when the patch will drop? This week, next week? Which do you think?
In fact, how about this: If you get it right, I'll delete my shield. Sounds good?
I promise, I will 100%, wholeheartedly delete my shield if you predict the patch right.
Soooo....... Anyone know how to make a character on the PTR?
James_272 Dec 4th 2009 6:05PM
ROFL! I havent laughed that much in ages :P
Dunno why His comment got Marked Down, He was Obviously joking, You guys need to chill a bit More :P
Colin Dec 5th 2009 5:38PM
People are still bitter about ol' Matt Low's Val'nyr antics, clearly.
PvProt Dec 4th 2009 4:21PM
The other day I kept "attacking farm" in AB. Number of times actually trying to capture the node? 0. Number of Horde trying to kill me? 5-7. Number of Horde being tied up by one warrior instead of attacking somewhere or defending a node that's actually in danger? 5-7. It was awesome.
neofalcon54 Dec 4th 2009 4:28PM
As a prot warrior who loves WSG lemme say this - Prot Warriors are quite possibly the best flag carriers in the game. Not only do we have huge pools of health, tons of armor for damage reduction, and powerful defensive CDs, but we can charge/intercept/intervene all over the field, and have additional utility abilities like intimidating shout and spell reflect to keep people off of us.
I say this because far too often I see resto druids/holy pallies (who, to be fair, ARE good flag tanks on their own) refuse to recognize this, carrying the flag themselves and refusing to stick nearby as heals. It's quite irritating >.>
Theresa Dec 4th 2009 4:56PM
By far the most fun I have ever had in a BG was taking my disc priest in with a prot warrior friend of mine. He grabbed the flag and ran, I kept both of us alive. Even with only a couple pieces of pvp gear (a season behind at that) and my pve spec, nobody could kill us.
I don't pvp much, but I might have to go back for that sometime.