Dungeon Finder reactions from players
by Mike Schramm 
Dec 11th 2009 at 9:00AM
Hots and Dots actually has a long take on the Dungeon Finder, including "15 Things You Should Know," like that tanks and healers are still as important as ever (if you sign up for DPS and another role, you likely won't be doing DPS), and that we're finding out very quickly just how skilled or knowledgeable people really are ("the Party Leader will be forced to confess midway [through] that they actually know nothing about the instance").
On the forums, players are generally ecstatic, with lots of folks crediting the new system for bringing their excitement back into the game. Not that there aren't a few quibbles -- players say it would be nice to clarify if you want a brand new instance or a half-done one, and while GC says it wouldn't be hard to install, they aren't sure how that would pan out yet. There's at least one weird bug floating (or falling, as the case may be) around as well. A few players say that leaving the Oculus in as a random choice of dungeons is another bug that needs to be fixed, but I'm pretty sure that's working as intended.
But aside from those few quibbles, the Dungeon Finder seems like a hit, and it's definitely true that finding and getting a pickup group rolling is much, much faster and easier under the new system. Seems like the Dungeon Finder has lived up to expectations and then some.
Filed under: Patches, Analysis / Opinion, Blizzard, Raiding, Leveling
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 13)
Janaa Dec 11th 2009 9:02AM
I submitted this in tips so it might find it's way in somewhere else, but damage meters in cross-realm dungeons are pretty much broken as many may have discovered. It's causing a bunch of fights though.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21730675337&sid=1
Janaa Dec 11th 2009 9:04AM
But oh yeah - I LOVE THE DUNGEON TOOL. I can just keep farming and queing for random heroics and farming non-stop.. never have to go to town/dungeons/anywhere. :)
Netherscourge Dec 11th 2009 9:37AM
I KNEW there was something strange going on with Dmg Meters.
Recount was showing me 3 times on the same meter after a single boss attempt in Halls of Reflection and it had me at like 2k, 339 again at 1K - all on the same meter in a single attempt during the "Run away from Arthas" encounter.. Wasn't sure what the heck was going on.
Plus, everyone in the group was complaining about me not doing enough DPS and I'm usually pulling 4K EASY in Heroics.
So of course, I look like the weakest link in the group.
We eventually beat the encounter, but I was getting so much crap about my DPS output and I'm like scratching my head at the Recount meters being posted.
I was about to quit from all the frustration.
But now I'm feeling a little better knowing there's a issue with DMG meters.
I still think there's a ton of jerkoffs playing this game though.
Janaa Dec 11th 2009 9:43AM
Hehe, yeah - if anyone gives you crap about meters, point them to that forum post. I've seen people angrily protesting "nah ur bad, both my recount AND skada say you're bad. you're bad." What they don't know is both their recount and skada aren't getting your DPS info. :(
jtrack3d Dec 11th 2009 9:43AM
I think healbot is also affected. It doesn't show HoTs on everyone in the party like it used to do.
Janaa Dec 11th 2009 9:45AM
ALL mods that use hidden channel communication are affected. (Eg, Skada, Recount, Omen, etc). I don't think Healbot is one though. Its probably just slightly broken in 3.3. :) Or may have a different issue with cross-realm.
travis Dec 11th 2009 10:00AM
L2Update your addons. Recount and Healbot are working fine as of yesterdays updates.
Janaa Dec 11th 2009 10:07AM
Thank you for your insightful comments travis. Thats correct, they work fine for normal, local dungeons and raids, yes. The mods have been fixed for 3.3, yes.
However, they do not fix the cross-realm communication problem. Using Recount updated 11 hours ago, these issues ARE still occuring. L2think before posting. If you haven't noticed from actually reading the postings, the nature of the issue basically means that YOU as a player won't see any problem with your DPS. Only other cross-realm players do, and only in certain situations (depending on who is melee, who is ranged, how far apart they are, etc).
If you're melee, the only sign you'll get that there might be any trouble is it looks like ranged DPS is low. If you're ranged, the only sign is that you're out-dpsing melee that outgears you. Neither are a situation you would attribute to yourself. As melee, you'd think "yeah i'm awesome, those hunters suck, i have to carry them lol". As ranged, you'd think "yeah i'm awesome, those dks suck, i have to carry them lol".
Read more. Troll less.
Hëx Dec 11th 2009 10:10AM
Just to clarify: the BETA version of Recount was just updated, if you are using Curse client to update (or are manually updating) with the Release version you are missing some important updates not only to Recount but also many other addons.
I set my release preference in Curse Client to Beta for all addons.
Tools > Options > Games & Addons > Release Preference > Select Beta > Click Reset All button > Done > Update All
Janaa Dec 11th 2009 10:17AM
I saw another update recently but don't have time to try it right now. I was just replying to Travis saying it was working as of yesterday. *cough*yeahrightlol*cough*.
Recount forums 25 mins ago are still reporting issues, though who knows if those are people who've updated or not. Will revisit the issue when I wake up. (Its 4am here now.. must sleep lol)
zappo Dec 11th 2009 10:36AM
More of the sad state of people obsessed with meters. It's a heroic, if things die and you don't it's fine.
Tri Dec 11th 2009 10:40AM
Hmm problems with x-server cmmunication.. is that also a reaosn why my pitbull refuse to show incoming heals now?
I miss it, but guess I'll get used to not having it for a while :)
Barinthos Dec 11th 2009 10:51AM
Well this puts into perspective my not fun run last night in HoL. The DPS in my group that I know can push out over 2500 easy was only doing 1800 at best on bosses. The Shaman in our group got butt hurt, proceeded to insult us and let us die and left group before Loken.
Why can't people understand that if the mob dies and you stay alive to reap the benefits the run is going perfectly fine.
Damage Meter ≠ The game
machoflaco Dec 11th 2009 10:58AM
Ya, my group booted me because they said my dps sucked. I was doing 2.8k dps. I wish I'd known about these recount issues to defend myself. I hope they found out and feel stupid for booting me.
catharsis80 Dec 11th 2009 11:49AM
Really? I've been using Skada, and everyone's DPS looks fine.
chris Dec 11th 2009 11:55AM
@machoflaco
Getting booted for 2.8k dps in a heroic is pretty absurd, your group should feel bad for booting you even if the recount meters were right. There will be people doing much less than that I'm sure, afterall, heroics are for people that need to gear up for raids. Crafted gear and dungeon drops will only take you so far. But now with people farming heroics in TotC gear, they see everyone not doing 6k and go into nerdrage.
My mage as of 2 days ago (before I started farming heroics) was in heroic ready gear. I did not gear him out because I just hit 80 a few weeks prior and thought it best to wait so I could farm heroics and get T9 gear. That means I'm doing heroic level dps of around 3-5k boss fights dependng on the fight, buffs, other classes, etc. I did get a "mage ur dps is low" comment yesterday. Well if you inspect me and see that I'm not in full T9.5, and in a few ilevel 187's still, maybe you'd understand why its lower than yours. I'm gearing for my main spec on an alt, you are farming for your offspec on your main (or for shards, or for gems, or for whatever reason you are in there with your ilevel 232+ gear).
Barinthos Dec 11th 2009 12:11PM
It seems most people are under the impression that the new DF system is ONLY for people with full T8+ gear and can bust out 6000DPS by facerolling their keyboard. No...wrong.
If you (generalization) think so highly of yourself and your l33t DPS maybe you shouldn't be using the DF system on "random" and instead keep yourself in the higher tier of heroics like the new ICC dungeons. Heroic VH, UK or Nex do NOT need 5k+ DPS, even if you do want to "wtfpwn" the place in 10 minutes.
Maymer Dec 11th 2009 12:16PM
@Janaa
Thank you very much for the post and link. And the humorous insights on the ninja column (I think that is going to be a trend to get 'Dewayned')......and the comments that kept us laughing during the Tuesday downtime....and....hell, I'm going to mail you some cookies and milk now for a job well done.
And now for something completely different:
I enjoy the dungeon finder with the greatest of loves, even when I'm paired with a bad pug. I tend to notice people with similar gear scores and that such are actually paired with me. Also, an amazing thing. It seems that whenever in a group, the 3 dps spots are always filled with 1 melee dps (moi) and 2 ranged dps. Usually. Am I the only one who is seeing this trend?
Utakata Dec 11th 2009 12:37PM
Imagine, a world without Recount...
Jason Dec 11th 2009 1:51PM
I noticed that the other night when I was doing some randoms. I thought the hunter in my group was only pulling 300dps. I was pulling 2200 or so. It was weird I saw everyone's meter and it was all good except that hunter.
I will have to update my addons again tonight and see how it works.