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12-11-2009 @ 1:12PM
I can only comment on the 5 mans.FoS - a LOT of people on my battlegroup either don't use DBM or haven't updated it for the new patch. It could also be that they can't read MIRRORED SOUL - STOP DPS in giant blue letters on their screen, I guess.HOR trash waves the first time through on heroic was awesome fun - the first time what feels like years that I've run something where we've wiped a couple of times and had to actually think about tactics rather than just charge in and AOE stuff. We settled with standing on the stage area behind the first mini boss - the Paladin tank stayed in view and the rest of us hid round the corners to stay out of line of sight of the ranged. The tank pulled them all into the back area and then we burned them down - healer, ranged, rogue, footman.The final run didn't feel as hard as I expected it to, given the level of difficulty clearing the first event.
12-11-2009 @ 1:41PM
Not to defend people who "don't listen to the warnings," but the text can be hard to pay attention to when you're working on a boss and trying to get everything in order. Throw in adds or high detail of animation and it just gets more confusing.At first, I had a hard time keeping track of the warnings when I was trying to get all of my necessary attacks/buff/debuffs in place before I can relax a bit but I have no problem with it now. Plus, from my experience with PuGs, people don't ask to make sure everyone knows the battles anymore. And when they do explain it, they give cliff notes and start the battle without giving a chance for someone to ask questions.I mean, It's not hard to type that if Bronjahm casts a spell on you that looks like the Drain Soul animation, get as far away from him as possible to give more distance for the soul-thingy to travel.
12-11-2009 @ 2:21PM
>The most common gripe is that group members don't pay attention to their raid warnings >and move in as necessary for Bronjahm, or stop DPS on Devourer of Souls if they get >Mirrored Soul.This is actually a gripe...wtf?? This is what is wrong with wow, people gripe that they have to play the game. See invaders post for evidence. It takes 2 minutes to look up a boss on wowhead before going for the first time. Stop expecting everyone else to hold your hand. In b4 "elitist prick". This isn't elitism, it's average game mechanics. I'm not talking about reading forums for hours to learn the correct rotation, gems, enchants, spec. Just take a couple minutes and read the abilities that a boss has and learn to avoid them. This "gripe" makes me sad...and slightly raged.I hate to pick on you invader, and I'm sure you are a decent player, but sometimes things like this make me wish blizzard would put in a "tour-guide" mode for people who want to see the instance "just for lore reasons" (yeah right). It would be better for the people who want to see the dungeon, and it lets people who actually enjoy avoiding boss abilities play the game. The tour guide mode could even add some NPC's with the player and they could all have god mode activated with an infinite mana cheat.
12-11-2009 @ 3:47PM
Its also not hard to see the middle of your screen for a DBM warning.
12-11-2009 @ 4:36PM
I voted up InvaderDem specifically because of his mention of people not bothering to check if people have done the fights or even know them. I think it's pretty crappy of people to expect everyone to be a walking dorklepedia of WoW boss strategies and even more craptacular for random PUG players to expect to faceroll this content.It's mostly DPS with this attitude and, given their rather easy tasks in the new 5-mans, I can see how they expect everyone else to carry the weight. Tanking isn't easy and healing a challenging 5-man is not fun for anyone when DPS run around aggroing everything or standing in the fire like a tard. Let's not even mention the even more retarded DPS who refuse to burn down casters.One last comment on this...DBM, BE2, etc. are great, but when you're healer is busy keeping 4 other people alive because they refuse to pay attention then those addons don't mean diddly. That goes double for you, Mr. Warlock-who-lifetaps-to 10% health-on every boss fight. I don't have time to heal your stupid butt while keeping the excellent tank alive.
12-11-2009 @ 4:55PM
Most of this new content, well 5-mans anyway are easy to tank, maybe not if your gear is bad but then you should not be doing them in the first place. But if the healer was not looking at DBM i can understand that, its Dps that can't take their eyes form their meter that annoy me.
12-11-2009 @ 5:07PM
@ Sorcefire:I'm a warlock. And I always try not to life tap during a fight where I see everyone is taking spike damage. I only life tap when I need the SP buff and when my Haunt heal is about to hit me. Hell, I even try to bandage quickly after a boss fight after I Life Tapped myself into oblivion. But for some reason, pally and druid healers feel the need to heal me after they see me using a bandage. Dunno.
12-11-2009 @ 5:28PM
To the person who said that no one explains fights, who's responsibility is it in a pug to know the fight and explain it? I think it is everyone's responsibility, if in a pug, to have a general idea of what is going on and be prepared. If you'd like others to hold your hand and baby steps you through an encounter run it with friends or guildies.
12-11-2009 @ 9:04PM
I agree completely with you. EVERY pug of FoS, our healer tells teh entire group, in NO uncertain terms, that when it casts Mirrored Souls, to literally stop doing anything and everything. And so far, every single pug except for one, has completely ignored what he's said. Hell, the very FIRST pug some scrub DK ran in DURING the explanation and AOTD'd, alone.Yep, it is unreasonable to EXPECT anyone to know ahead of time how to do a fight, it is NOT unreasonable however, to expect someone to actually PAY ATTENTION when it's explained beforehand. If a single sentence "OK, when the boss casts Mirrored Souls, dont attack it, or somebody explodes" is too much to read, then you need to re-roll, start from scratch, and this time learn to pay attention. You've had 80 levels to learn how to follow directions.
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