I agree, almost all the runs are Greed for Frozen Orbs. However, I always wait and see what everyone else rolls because there have been a few times some people do Need.

I Know they aren't ever need on Altar of Storms, that's for sure. Its not like there's any shortage of those things anyway.

- Winnipeg "Winnie" the Bear druid, Altar of Storms -

Frozen Orbs are GREED you NINJA!!!!

I've always greeded and everyone I've ever run with seems to agree.

Besides, who actually *needs* Frozen Orbs these days? It's probably only slightly more expensive to craft ilevel 245 TotC patterns than trainer-tought Frozen Orb patterns, these days.

Destromath always rolls need on the orbs because all characters get equal utility out of them. You've been forewarned.

I think it's server tradition. On my server everyone needs on orbs, but on some other servers it's greed. I do think greed rolling is more common on other servers.

Right now i always first look what others are doing and copy that. And it's not like the orbs worth ninja'ing. Most people who roll need are probably used to rolling need and forgot to look if others were rolling need or greed.

Two things: every server has different customs. On my server people would verbally agree at the start to roll Need on orbs. Second, cross-server groups mean you can't get called out in /trade for your actions, thereby increasing the incentive to roll Need after four people rolled Greed.

Mounts are another issue. On my server you roll Need on the bronze drake. My brother grouped with four people, all from servers where you roll Greed. Guess who was put on /ignore for being a ninja, even though he only did exactly what he's done multiple times before? And this was for the hoary old BRONZE drake, not every the H UP blue proto.

He's saying need on the orbs cus a lot of people lately have been needing them for several reasons:
1) as soon as you loot it, drop group and you are teleported out, giving no one the chance to say 'wtf'
2) 99% of the time its all people from different realms who you never have to see again, thus eliminating any sort of name bashing on the ninja'ers server
3) As stated above, different server cultures have different rules

The fact that you have to need on it lately cus of petty ninjas is kind of sad, but its just a side effect of further anonymity due to the LFG system.

In that case it kind of makes sense, though I've been greeding always and haven't had it happen yet. IMO compared to a bronze drake this is different than a Bronze drake because you actually NEED it because it is something you don't have that is rare, so he was right in needing it. Greeding is correct on Orbs because they aren't THAT rare, and nobody ACTUALLY needs one, and you can buy em off the AH as opposed to not being able to buy a drake on the AH.

But more ninjas may mean needing is required. I'm gonna stick to greed until my hand is forced as it's the Holidays and I am trying to have more faith in humanity.

I guess I've just been lucky but I've hit Greed without looking every time and I'm developing a small hoard of orbs.

Frozen Orbs are Need? Bad advice is bad.

If I see someone roll need on a frozen orb I follow suit and if I win, I immediately tell them all to roll on the orb again. No one NEEDS a frozen orb, it's just something that would be nice to get at the end of a run.

My entire realm always Needed Frozen Orbs (which lead to a few funny moments on the ptr) but since the patch, I've not seen one person Need an orb. Cross-realm it seems that Greed is the rule, if only because people are trying to be on the safe side.

Which is gonna be fun when I get my Priest up to 80 and I actually need those to make stand-in gear for her. ...Though I suppose I could try to and say I "need" a Frozen Orb to make Icy Prisms if I REALLY wanted to.

I really miss the advantage to defaulting to a greed roll for an item that noone is supposed to need. It just allows ninjas to use the need roll and take off with it. If everyone need rolls who wants a shot at it, there are no ninjas. If you are greed rolling out of principle, you just took yourself out of consideration should someone roll need. Personally, I don't use them so i just pass.

eventually things will stabilize... when they first appeared everyone had to ask... throughout my guild we had different opinions, and then that stabilized to need... when we started pugging more often we found that Ursin was more greed so i switched to that... soon it will all balance out in the battlegroups- some will need and some will greed.

Agrred. Frozen Orbs have been greed for as long there have been Frozen Orb. It's an unspoken rule.

Not that it matters, anyway. Their value with all the heroics being run has completely collapsed. They go in US-Uldaman AH for 10g each. Sad.

I've run with full pugs of random people about fifty times by now and I have NEVER run across a group where someone Needs on the Frozen Orbs.

People still use Frozen Orbs?
I haven't seen anyone need one yet.

Frozen orbs go for like 10 gold on my server. Not even worth the trouble to stick it on the AH really.

Frozen orbs have been instant Need for about a year on Nathrezin.