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12-14-2009 @ 9:13AM
Quote: "Roll greed on Frozen Orbs (or pass if you don't want them)"I gotta disagree with this. If you greed, you're simply going to lose your roll to other players. Your best bet is to hit need and tell other players you are doing so. This will prevent losing to others who see 'need' as the norm while not offending people that are used to greeding.
12-14-2009 @ 9:26AM
The Frozen Orbs are no longer valuable enough (around 5g on my server - restocking poisons can cost more) to risk getting known as a cross-faction need-ninja. The concept of "steal it from them before they steal it from me" is animalistic, displayed even among birds. It's also cyclical. You need and take it from a group that hits greed, and you've created another person who subscribes to the immature philosophy of "steal first, answer questions later."
12-14-2009 @ 9:39AM
Look, I don't mean to take the unpopular stand here, but Needing on the Frozen orbs is NOT stealing. The option is there to need it. And here's a novel idea, but what if someone actually needs it! I needed on a few to get mattes to make something to bump up my tailoring skills. And then I was yelled at that I ninja'ed the orb.If this is stealing, then I can say that everyone is stealing my disenchanting skill because I did not agree to do the disenchanting.
12-14-2009 @ 9:51AM
Needing on frozen orbs after you see everyone else greed is like steeling chap-stick. No one cares but it's still stealing.
If an enchanter is going to have issues with D/E greed option, then simply 1. don't bother to level your enchanting 2. don't run instances with that character that can D/E. Honestly, I leveled two enchanters and I don't see a problem with the new system aside from selfish and greedy players no longer able to benefit from their party members. I had an enchanter friend who would always keep quiet about everything she D/E in the hopes that people would forget and she could quietly walk off with the items. It's one thing when the group says, "here, please take it" as oppose to, "Damn, I forgot and that jerk just walked off with everything."
12-14-2009 @ 9:54AM
Having run with dozens of different random groups by now, it seems that on some servers (Arthas, for example), the recognized custom is to need on orbs. It doesn't seem to be ninja behaviour - just what they're used to on their home servers.So I think Dah is right about this. To ensure that everyone has a fair shot at winning the orbs, we're going to have to start need-rolling on them across the board.
12-14-2009 @ 9:55AM
If you want to roll need on the Orb, try asking first. You would be amazed how generous players can be if they're just rolling greed to stockpile and you have a good excuse to need.
12-14-2009 @ 10:09AM
STOP putting Frozen Orbs up for 8g or less. You look dumb.Frozen orbs cost 3g to post for 48 hours. Then the AH takes 10% of your sale.Frozen orbs VEND for 5g. You make more profit vending then posting for less than 8g.Sry to come across as harsh, but this is actually quite valuable info, if you have to post 8g or less, just vend. It's more money, and it's instant!
12-14-2009 @ 11:06AM
You didn't read my post if you think this is "steal it from you before you steal it from me"As I stated, you tell the group before you do it. Everyone knows to roll need and this way you don't have someone take it unfairly.If someone actually "needs" it, which I have yet to ever see happen, they are still perfectly capable of letting the group know beforehand, in which case you would pass.
12-14-2009 @ 10:19AM
I love how i'm finding frozen orbs on the AH for 5g lately.Let's do the math here. Vendor buys for 5g. Auction (for 48 hour) is a 3g deposit (that you won't get back). In order to just break even to what you sell the vendor to you'd have to sell for at least 8g.I.e. if you see anything around 8g or less on the AH, just vendor it.
12-14-2009 @ 10:58AM
You get your deposit back if the item sells.Source:http://www.wow.com/2007/08/03/insider-trader-working-the-auction-house/Third paragraph.
12-14-2009 @ 11:07AM
@FireStarActually, as long as the someone buys the orb, the seller will get that 3g deposit back. So if you put up the orb for 8g and someone buys it, you end up with 8g minus the 80s (10%) cut taken by the Auction House. So you would still make more than the 5g vendor value.For a Frozen orb, at that price I would probably just vendor it or keep it in the bank for an alt. But people should know the mechanics of the AH. You only lose your deposit if no one buys the goods.
12-14-2009 @ 11:08AM
Most loot-roll confusion can be prevented by - are you ready for this? - TALKING to the people with whom you are cooperating to complete the dungeon.
12-14-2009 @ 11:18AM
Report ninja looters to wowjackass.com, put them on your ignore list.
12-14-2009 @ 11:20AM
If you belong to one of the few servers that thinks it's OK to roll Need on BoE items that you intend to sell, then it's time for your server to change. BoE items are always Greed unless you are going to immediately Equip and Use it. This is the way it has been done for 5 years.The Battered Hilt: This is Need if you are going to Equip it. It is Greed if you are going to sell it. And if you roll Need while actually holding Quel'Serrar in your hand, prepare to be on the ignore list of everyone in your Battlegroup, after your name appears in the "Drama" section of "Guildwatch".
12-14-2009 @ 11:33AM
Wow, really? EVERYONE on my server rolls need for frozen orbs, and as far as I know, always has. Maybe we're just a weird exception? No one considers it ninja'ing. In fact, if someone doesn't roll need on them, we would wonder if they misclicked.
12-14-2009 @ 12:00PM
If you actually REALLY needed the frozen orb, because it was the last mat you needed to make your epic, then if everyone else used need instead of greed as a regular thing, then you wouldn't have the chance to need it anyways. Here's the thing. EVERY pug I've run so far, people have been nice enough to ask if they need something. So if you do that first BEFORE hitting need, I'm sure that people would be nice enough to give it to you. Sure there will be people that will argue, just explain your situation and if it's still a no go, there's another pug like 5 minutes away.Don't tell people to use need and then argue that there may be people who actually need the thing and will lose out because your arguing for everyone to need the damn thing.
12-14-2009 @ 12:15PM
Noone has any greater claim on a frozen orb as anyone else, at least while pugging, so you don't need a two tiered loot roll system. So you should just use need, since it still does the exact same thing as anyone choosing greed, but completely destroys the ability to ninja it. Sure, if the rest of your group hasn;t thought this through or discussed it, and all hit "Greed", and use greed, but the standard should be to need.
12-14-2009 @ 12:33PM
When I started doing content where Frozen Orbs appeared, my guildmates said to me: "it's always need on frozen orbs" and I've been doing that way since.I'm no longer in that guild, but everywhere I go people do it this way.I think if it where greed, it would be the same, because it would be standard procedure.As it is a crafting mat, is no different than dream shards or frostweave. You don't need it to equip it, you need it to do something with it. And if you want to craft something that uses it as a mat, then is no different than stacking cloth to craft bolts. (I'm tailor-enchanter, that's why I use this examples).I've never seen anyone anywhere saying "hey, I want all the runecloth in this run because I have to craft XX".Needing Frozen Orbs is no different than needing other crafting mats. Having a reason to need it now shouldn't be a reason to get it now. I'm used to wait to get my crafting mats, because they're rare and expensive.I know it can sound egoistic, but I'm used to wait when I need to stack a mat. If it's urgent, there is always the AH. And if it is so expensive that I can't afford buying it, then it is not something I need right now.
12-14-2009 @ 12:52PM
Your server economies baffle me if you guys still care this much about frozen orbs. You get more than the cost of one just by doing a random dungeon. Heck, if it's the first one of the day, you can buy six or seven of them on Silver Hand.
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