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12-16-2009 @ 4:14PM
And number one trick for rookies: DON'T QUEUE AS A TANK OR HEALER UNLESS YOU HAVE A TANK OR HEALER SPEC!Otherwise Timear forsees many people voting to kick and subsequently ignoring you.
12-16-2009 @ 4:54PM
This doesn't particularly matter in the lower levels. The other day I was put in a group for SM - Library and the "tank" was a Fury Warrior, but he did fine for the entire instance. And it wasn't because of an exceptional healer either (not saying the healer was terrible, they were fine).
12-16-2009 @ 5:19PM
1) Far as I know, there is only really a gear requirement for TOC and the icecrown dungeons. The reason for this is because these drop higher-level gear (over 200), which in turn, also means these are harder than the wrath-launch heroics. It would be very very bad to put a healer in i-200 gear into something like say, Halls of Reflection. Of course -- because these drop the best gear, everyone wants to queu for them. Thus, you see the need for the gear requirements :)2) You should be able to run all the pre-TOC heroics as long as you're in blues, because that is all you ever really needed. I wouldn't try to do any heroics in greens though. And to get into TOC, you probably need to be mostly epicced out; with getting into Icecrown requiring you to have at least mostly naxx (i-213 gear). Seems like how it would work logically.
12-16-2009 @ 6:02PM
I found that my gear level upon hitting 80 (mostly instance blues from 75-80) allowed me to enter normal TOC, and this was a great way to bootstrap the gearing process. From there, I went to the normal Icecrown 5-mans.Getting ilvl 200 and then 219 epics on a brand new 80 is the path to win!
12-16-2009 @ 6:19PM
I find it surprising to hear that there are in fact gear checks being done by the DF. I was involved in a PUG a couple of days back and we were ported to Forge of Souls. The healer appeared, stated that he wasn't geared for this heroic and left. We waited a few moments and a second healer was assigned to the group and ported in. I inspected his gear and was surprised to see an average iLvl score of 175. He was primarily geared in blues, but still had four or five green pieces. He admitted had just reached 80. He was up front about, and asked if we were comfortable with a healer who hadn't healed a heroic yet. Of course we politely declined, and we went on to complete the instance with a third, well-geared healer. I wonder then if gear level is ignored by the DF under certain situations, as in when four members of a pug are sitting in a dungeon already, with a recently departed fifth.
12-16-2009 @ 7:08PM
I think this applies mainly for the Heroics and WotLK Regs. Vanilla and in some cases normal BC instances can be done fine not being in main spec. It usually goes a bit slower, as a non specced healer will have to drink more often, and a non specced tank will probably need to pull smaller groups.
12-16-2009 @ 9:19PM
Don't tell me it doesn't matter in a low level instance, it may not be as important, but it can still make a huge difference. For example, I was in a random group for razorfen kraul, and we get a warrior tank. He couldn't hold aggro at all, and we wiped or almost wiped several times. The warrior later admits that he didn't have Defensive Stance yet. That was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen.
12-16-2009 @ 9:22PM
@MehrikI also wanted to see if the dungeon finder was assigning healers based on gear level. As a test, I took off half of my gear so that my gear score was roughly equivalent to someone who just dinged 80. I queued up three times for the random heroics. On my first run, I got UK, and I thought, "Sweet!". Second run, I got h ToC. Uh oh, that doesn't seem promising. Third run, I got HoR, and at that point, my little scheme was a proven flop. So if the dungeon matching system does any sort of gear scoring and matching, I have no clue how it does it.
12-16-2009 @ 10:54PM
I have heard that it also considers gear you have in your bags as well. Heard a DPS warrior was going to build up his tank set and put himself in his tank gear which had some blues. Well the dungeon that the LFG system put him into is H HoR. Seems that it may be set up to do this to keep people from gearing themselves down for battlegrounds then throwing on their 25 man Icecrown gear as soon as they get in.
12-17-2009 @ 12:59AM
I had been queuing my Paladin as Holy because I was pretty sure it wouldn't put me in one of the new dungeons. After a very successful UK run, I found myself in FoS and scared to death. Then running Normals I ended up in ToC (which definitely was not my first choice). I still have some blue items on but I bought the lvl245 badge shoulders and that seems to have been the dividing line. One trick though: I haven't turned in the quest to Jaina yet so I don't have to worry about PoS or HoR just yet.The most interesting site I have seen: running BFD on my lvl23 Heirloom-wearing mage and having a warrior in a combination of greens, whites and grays who tanked everything without difficulty. Runner-up: the low level dwarf paladin who used a two-handed spear with no shield.
12-17-2009 @ 1:06AM
Hey, just a minor point, it doesn't only gearcheck you for H ToC and the new ones. My mage was in greens and hadn't a) run a single reg instance (it was painful to get groups together on my server) and b) was about halfway through Grizzly Hills when I hit 80. Not only was I locked out of all heroics, but even reg ToC. I was surprised, but three reg dungeons and some crafted gear sorted that out within a day or so.
12-17-2009 @ 2:39AM
While it's *okay* for lower levels (I'd say under 40 and maybe up to 50 for some) and technically you can do things even without the gear.. please for the love of god, even if you aren't spec'd for whatever role you are putting yourself into queue for, make the effort to have a little gear. Otherwise it looks like you are an inconsiderate douchebag who just queues up as something you aren't just to get into groups faster.Seriously. You are grouping with other people and not making an effort to at least be considerate (especially when you figure the three dps you are running with probably had to wait a helluva lot longer than you did), it's wasting everyone's time.
12-17-2009 @ 11:45AM
@uncaringbeardid you take your gear out of your bags? because according to the blue the gear in your inventory is considered also.
1-05-2010 @ 1:47PM
"Don't tell me it doesn't matter in a low level instance, it may not be as important, but it can still make a huge difference. For example, I was in a random group for razorfen kraul, and we get a warrior tank. He couldn't hold aggro at all, and we wiped or almost wiped several times. The warrior later admits that he didn't have Defensive Stance yet. That was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen."I was doing this the other day and our tank DC'd. So a shaman and 3 clothies continued on while a new tank was being delivered to us and downed 2 bosses before they arrived. So yeah, if you were wiping just because your tank couldn't hold aggro you were doing something very wrong.
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