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12-30-2009 @ 3:08PM
Let's see...1) WoW was released in November, 20042) The Burning Crusade was released in January, 2007... after being delayed a couple months from... November, 2006. Go ahead, Google it.3) Wrath of the Lich King was released in November, 2008.It's almost like there was some significance to it, some strategy, as if there was some other nearby driving force to spend money on an expansion or video game - maybe even spend on someone else - that Blizzard would like to take advantage of.Pretty obvious here that given the lack of even an alpha yet, "six months or so" is a silly estimate to throw out. Cataclysm is going to be November, 2010. Mark my words.
12-30-2009 @ 3:15PM
Alphas aren't announced, as they are private. What we saw at Blizzcon was probably an early form of the alpha. It has also been in development since before WotLK was released, so it should roll out around the 2nd quarter of 2010.
12-30-2009 @ 3:16PM
No, Joshua, The Burning Crusade never did have that earlier release date. The fact that EBGames announced a date was just a naked attempt to soak people for pre-orders. It's been year since Blizzard announced a release date that they missed, simply because they're no longer dumb enough to announce a release date until they're about to ship off the gold masters to the DVD replication factory.And if you're going to try playing the "Blizzard wants Christmas sales" game, you need to include their other games, including Diablo 1, which was guaranteed to fail when it shipped right after Christmas ...
12-30-2009 @ 3:25PM
@RetadinManNo, but we hear about the Friends and Family alphas once they're running. Little bits leak out well before beta. We haven't seen a whisper of it yet.@RingoI see you failed at Google.
12-30-2009 @ 3:26PM
If so, there going o have to give us something to gnaw on in the meantime. That’s almost a year we’d have to wait before new content being released. I suppose the timed releases of ICC’s wings helps to alleviate this, but I don’t see how that’s going to get us past even Q1 of 2010. There’s been mention of a smaller patch coming out before CAT’s release, but still. I think November will be an awful long time to wait.
12-30-2009 @ 3:27PM
@Ringohttp://www.wow.com/2006/10/24/burning-crusade-delay-reaction-roundup/There, you don't even have to Google now. Sheesh.
12-30-2009 @ 3:29PM
How do you know there's no Alpha yet?
12-30-2009 @ 3:42PM
@Alhttp://www.google.com/search?q=burning+crusade+alphahttp://www.wow.com/2006/08/23/burning-crusade-alpha-test/http://www.wow.com/2008/04/10/breaking-wrath-of-the-lich-king-is-in-alpha/Burning Crusade we only had a few months' warning. Wrath was in alpha testing over seven months in advance. We've seen nothing like this for Cataclysm, only tech demos and starting zones.
12-30-2009 @ 3:43PM
Retadinman - As noted, we hear about the F&F alpha. The Blizzcon build was no more an alpha that the TBC Blizzcon build was. Also, don't forget that the Wrath beta was about 4 months long - so we'd need to see alpha in January, beta in March to hit a date 6 months from now, OR we'd need to see a much shorter alpha/beta cycle. The latter is possible of course.... but PTR cycles seem about the same length as ever, so I'm not seeing evidence for shorter test cycles. Yet, of course, everyone's right - a year on 3.3 would be a long time, rather like the time between BT and Sunwell.... oh, hold on... :)
12-30-2009 @ 4:02PM
Maybe I am remembering wrongly, but I could have sworn I've read a cpl interviews where Blizzard stated that their goal was to have a new exp out every year, and while that wasn't possible before, it was their goal ultimately.Am I the only one recalling these similar words being spoken?
12-30-2009 @ 4:13PM
Also, remember that WotLK was intended to be launched much earlier. At least back in the earlier days of TBC. The entirety of the 2.4 content patch was an unplanned stop-gap measure because WotLK was taking longer than expected to wrap up. Otherwise, WotLK would have dropped respectively soon after 2.3 came out.The whole "November" pattern is just coincidence, not strategy. Sorry.
12-30-2009 @ 6:12PM
BC Alpha Aug 23-06 (63 days later)BC Beta Oct 25-06 (41 days later)Patch 2.0 Dec 5-06 (42 days later)BC Release Jan 16-07 (126 days later)Patch 2.1 May 22-07 (175 days later)Patch 2.3 Nov 13-07 (133 days later)Patch 2.4 Mar 25-08 (16 days later) Wrath Alpha Apr 10-08 (98 days later)Wrath Beta Jul 17-08 (89 days later)Patch 3.0 Oct 14-08 (30 days later)Wrath Release Nov 13-08 (152 days later)Patch 3.1 Apr 14-09 (112 days later)Patch 3.2 Aug 4-09 (126 days later)Patch 3.3 Dec 8-09 (28 days later) Cata Alpha *Jan 5-10 (79 days later)Cata Beta *Mar 25-10 (68 days later)Patch 4.0 *Jun 1-10 (36 days later)Cata Release *Jul 9-10 *Based on the average amount of time it took them to release content for previous expansions, these are my best guesses as to when Cataclysm content will release. (Though Turpster guessed Jul 16-10) I'm pretty sure I've at least got it nailed to within 30 days or so baring no unexpected set backs.With my guess of Jul 9-10 there is a 7 month duration between ICC and Cataclysm. That is already a long wait. With your guess of Nov 2010 there is an 11 month duration between content. I don't know about you but I'm gonna get bored if I have to farm ICC for 11 months before Cataclysm comes out.
12-30-2009 @ 6:53PM
The way Blizz does it they have the pre-alpha stage where they start putting things together into a playable game where pretty much only the dev team is involved. Once they reach a certain point, the game is then released in an Alpha limited to Blizz employees. Later, as things progress and they're ready to start play testing a large amount of the content they open the internal alpha to Friends and Family which is an Internal Employee program where Blizz employees can invite friends and family members to help test. After that is the closed Beta, which is usually rolled out in numerous waves to an increasing number of people, where the public can start testing. Then at the end they usually have a public beta which is mostly used for stability testing under load and really is more a preview of the release than a Beta.The F&F Alpha is usually the first milestone that gets leaked to the public. Until that point, we have no clue about where they are in the development cycle and can't even begin to make an informed guess on a release date.
12-30-2009 @ 8:11PM
Technically its not a delay. A release date was never anounnounced. Shops guessed, players speculated.How can you delay something that was never given a release date?Q4 2006 was an estimation, nothing solid.---A comment from taken verbatim from your link...
12-30-2009 @ 7:24PM
@Joshua OchsYou are forgetting one important factor... Blizzard was its own company when those projects were started/came to fruition. Now they are part of a larger conglomerate that have more of a stake of 'when its done' than just blizzard. Besides, as much as I love WoW, it is getting long in the tooth and there are some young lions in the bush stalking the old alpha male of the MMO world. Most notably, The Old Republic Star Wars MMORPG. While it wont be a WoW killer (I think WoW will be dominant in the MMORPG realm for many more years, or at least until updated with WoW2), it will put a significant financial dent into the Activision-Blizzard conglomerate and the corporate suits will not be one to want to have a competitor launch one of the most anticipated MMOs for a while with one of the biggest IPs on the planet with some sort of response to steal the thunder.
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