Skip to Content
1-02-2010 @ 2:05PM
Unless you're the tank. Then you better be sportin' 100k unbuffed health.(That's the prevailing opinion, anyhow. Nobody wants a tank with 24k health these days.)
1-02-2010 @ 2:07PM
100k unbuffed ? TYPOOOOOOOOOOo
1-02-2010 @ 2:08PM
Or, heaven forbid, a Healer that actually has to sit down for Mana. I mean, that's just too scrub, right?/sarcasm
1-02-2010 @ 2:15PM
i um...think you missed the point of his hyperbole.i've seen the gamut of tanks...from 20k to 40k. and whenever i slot myself as a dps, i've rarely seen the gearscores break mid 4k's (mine is around 5.4 for reference). so there is disparity...which i think is good. otherwise how would they ever gear up? on a funnier note, the dungeon finder does have a gear minimum for particular instances. i was running with friends, and one dps'er wanted to bring their sub-geared alt (i think he was low 3k). the dungeon finder refused to let him queue for anything toc or icc and we had to bypass the finder in order to get into icc.
1-02-2010 @ 2:24PM
@i2hellfireI'm not sure where you got 5.4k from, but that sounds highly inaccurate considering most of the top guilds in the world are running with just over 3k gear scores. If you're unsure about a gear score for a character, I suggest using wow-heroes.com. They're an accurate engine for looking up a toon's gearscore, and for suggestions on how to improve it.
1-02-2010 @ 2:28PM
I think the gear score he's referring to is the in game one that comes from the GearScore addon. Using that one, my ToGC10 and 25 geared main has a 5.4k gearscore, while my WoWHeroes score is 2874. I've found that GearScore is becoming much more prevalent than using WoWHeroes.
1-02-2010 @ 2:32PM
@sccorp.sc,The gearscore from the gearscore addon is very different than the wow-heroes scorign system, so anyone in, I believe, mostly toc 25 will have a GS in the 5k range.
1-02-2010 @ 2:34PM
@sccorp.scThere's a popular addon called GearScore that about 83% of pugs use these days, for that 5.4k is not highly inaccurate as it uses a different formula than WH does.And any system that uses ilvls to determine a score isn't brlliant, plenty people are still stuck with ilvl 200 stuff because it's still BiS.
1-02-2010 @ 2:38PM
Ah, I see, thank you for the clarification, but why'd my comment get downrated for a misunderstanding/talking about something else? Trolls ftl.
1-02-2010 @ 2:42PM
Doesn't matter how much you try and change it, the current instant-gratification generation will ALWAYS want an easy ride. The overwhelming majority of players out there do not care about others in the game; to them, other players are like the NPC henchmen of Guild Wars; there to help your character gear up. Most of the time these are the same players who are guildless, yet I'm sure they don't wonder even for a second why they're so.
1-02-2010 @ 4:04PM
I'm a healer on my main. I've run into all sorts of tanks in the LFG tool. As long as a tank can grab some aggro and try to keep it, I am willing to give them a chance. I don't bother looking at gear unless the tank is doing a horrible job, and then it is to just make a few mild suggestions. Everyone has to learn at some point. I imagine when I first started healing heroics, I sucked. My guild was kind enough to go as guinea pigs tho, so no one yelled at me for it. Try and remember it's just a game. If people are nerd raging over it, they need to switch to decaf.
1-02-2010 @ 5:34PM
@ AdoisinThis. As a healer, I could give a crap what your health pool is. 30K is generally plenty to get through most instances. It's tanks who don't know how to hold aggro that get me. Keeping one person with 30K health up and running is a lot easier on my mana pool than having to keep four separate people topped off so a stray hit from a mob the tank can't hold aggro on doesn't take me and a DPS down.
1-03-2010 @ 12:36AM
@i2hellfireI've dragged green geared alts through icc 5 mans - the problem you were likely running into is they need to complete the questline on normal mode before doing heroic mode.
1-03-2010 @ 1:29AM
My main is a tank, so whenever I'm dpsing a LFD pug, the first thing I look at with the tank is how they pull. You can tell a lot about a tank by how the pull. When they LoS, when the use what abilities, what mobs they hit first. A tank who pulls poorly (warriors who pull with taunt, for example) is probably going to have a harder time holding aggro, and a harder time dealing with bad situations, like when bad (skill-wise) dps pull threat by attacking the wrong mobs, using copious aoe where it shouldn't be used, and so forth. Bad pulling technique can lead to wipes, too... For example: the intersection in Halls of Stone. on our left: two casters and a melee, on our right, two melee and a caster. the DK tank (who's threat is bad relative to gear and who's spec is a little dodgy) deathgrips the one melee out of the 2 caster/1 melee pack. the casters start shooting at him, he doesn't LoS (plenty of room to LoS), and the second pack gets pulled into the fray. That's bad pulling. The good pull would be to Strangle one caster, DG the other, and use LoS to get out of the way and make sure the other pack doesn't pull.I'll take low-level well-chosen gear from a good player over a bad player with good gear any day. Same goes for dps. I'd rather have 1.5k dps from a player who is playing well in crap gear, than 3k from an idiot who makes lots of major mistakes (Starfall pulling in adds, for example).
1-03-2010 @ 9:26AM
As for gear scores, I wish sites like Wowhead etc. actually published the formulas used, so you can start doing _real_ comparisons.
1-03-2010 @ 9:59AM
@VeritYou don't need to complete the questline to do the heroics - you can do the entire thing in the heroic versions of the three new 5-mans also. It's just to open the separate dungeons themselves, at any difficulty.Although most of the time I hope they do them on regular first so they at least have -some- idea of what they're facing before they run the heroic version. :/
1-04-2010 @ 10:46AM
thebitterfig - "When they LoS"That's almost a lost art. When a warrior pulls out a gun, shoots something and runs around the corner, you'd think it's pretty obvious what's happening. Instead everyone just opens fire on the group along with the death grip in the totally random direction from dps. Then you have to run out and try to gather all that crap up with no agro. So more often than not it's just easier to charge in and start spamming AOE. Sorry to all the healers out there :/
First time? A confirmation email will be sent to you after submitting.
Members enter your username and password.
Enter your AOL or AIM screenname and password.
Please keep your comments relevant to this blog entry. Email addresses are never displayed, but they are required to confirm your comments.
When you enter your name and email address, you'll be sent a link to confirm your comment, and a password. To leave another comment, just use that password.
To create a live link, simply type the URL (including http://) or email address and we will make it a live link for you. You can put up to 3 URLs in your comments. Line breaks and paragraphs are automatically converted — no need to use <p> or <br /> tags.