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1-03-2010 @ 6:10PM
I agree with everything you're saying here and more. I'm using the LFG system to gear up and actually learn to tank on my pally (which has always been ret/holy). It is a great system to learn as I have to deal with DPS constantly pulling before me, or pulling off of me, however please, when I state that I am still relatively new to tanking at the beginning of the instance (which I always do) then, please, please allow me time to set the standard, or leave and allow someone else who will.
1-03-2010 @ 6:20PM
The answer to all of these problems is simple.Relax, and let the DPS die. When that DPSer has a 50G repair bill from being retarded, blowing up the meters isn't as much fun. They're not going to kick you. You're the tank. They don't want to wait 20 more minutes for a new one.It's even more fun when you place bets in guild chat on how long it takes him to rage-quit.
1-03-2010 @ 6:34PM
Firstly, Heilig, my guild does that all the time. I've won maybe 5g more than i've lost on those bets. Secondly, I am also trying to get gear for my tank set, and practice a little on normal dungeon runs. Unfortunately, my tank gear set is not good enough for tanking heroics, so I don't. Mainly I dps, and yet I still notice alot of those "Ha, I'm top dps- *boss-smack-to-the-face*" kind of people.
1-03-2010 @ 6:56PM
I'll kick a tank. When you don't know what the defense cap is. When you have spirit gems. When you have outlands vendor gems. When well, you're just a ret noob who queued up as a tank with no intention of actually tanking.Either that, or I'll drop group and burn 15 minutes elsewhere.
1-03-2010 @ 8:06PM
Try to know the tactics for any of the more difficult bosses, Violet Hold is tricky because there are several bosses to know, etc. Be sure you have at least 23k health and 535 defense and you'll be fine (just to be clear I've tanked heroics including a timed CoS run with under 24k health and we did fine - the larger number just helps to reassure people) Although I have even been called not good enough to tank Trial of the Champion HC with above 24k health and 340 defense, I also had the achievement proving that I had done it before but apparently I must have conjured some sort of sorcery to get that. The guy was actually quite amusing to be honest.The moral? Watch for idiots and asses, you could be the best tank in the game but somebody will still think your not good enough.
1-03-2010 @ 8:11PM
I have to agree with ppl that say let the DPS die. I mean most of the time it teaches them a lesson and they get the picture. But sometimes you get those that are thick in the head and it takes a few times and then they end up /rage /drop grp lolBut yes I feel you pain as a tank :D
1-03-2010 @ 9:15PM
Actually had this happen today to me;I'm generally ret spec, as I got burnt out on healing in TBC and enjoyed being in a less stressful role.Now I'm dual specced prot, and it's an obvious godsend in getting emblems, which are solely for building up my tank set at this point.I had a fury warrior today, who was exquisitely geared (4k+ dps, he was mostly all ICC gear), but insisted on setting the pace. I let him, all the way up to the iceblock room in Nexus, where he proceeded to get dropped on almost every pull. I'd rez him, and he'd be the first to charge into the next group of mobs, where I'd again not pull them until he died.I think after about 5 deaths (every pull in that hallway) he got the picture.There was nothing being done by him except extra stress on the poor priest, and granted, plate dps has a bit more leeway with a shred of over-aggro, and one or two hits from an errant mob; but for the life of me, I couldn't figure out what this guy wanted.I was essentially chain pulling, and as you said Matt, all these tactics do is slow the run down..... and if you've got a cranky tank, they start to cost you money.
1-03-2010 @ 9:54PM
As a healer I refused to heal a rogue that was facepulling with a fishing pole equipped last night, he got mad. He tried to reset anub and didn't bother to check his vanish cd, twice and wanted me to heal him after he screwed up our timer by waiting 7 seconds to release so I wasted 6.5 seconds of a rez cast.Complete moron.After someone says something I am like "um, I wouldn't know, I put the moron on ignore after wasting my time" He died 3 more times. Still didn't learn. He then tried to kick me from the group. (To be fair I had tried to kick him after he managed to get us killed once)Folks, there are 2 people you don't piss off. The tank and the healer. The reason we see 30 second queue time versus 20 minutes is because no one wants to heal or tank for the morons out there that ruin what should be a 15 minute instance and make it take over an hour.
1-03-2010 @ 10:34PM
Amen, let the damn dps die. But be nice to them otherwise. We (the community) are quickly getting into the dps vs tank/healer camp, which sucks. Something wrong, we heals/tanks blame the dps, usually with reason, and the dps points the finger right back at us. Gone are the days of marking every mob, of CC on every pull, on waiting for mana and full buffs. I'd frankly like to see tougher instances in cata. but that's another topic. I guess my point is with the new system there is no real cost to either get into a group or leave a group, so all that stuff goes by the wayside, and when there is any trouble fingers start pointing instead of the group pulling together.
1-03-2010 @ 11:04PM
My main is a mage, and the one thing I've always believed and followed concerning instances was this:"If the tank dies, it's the healer's fault. If the healer dies, it's the tank's fault. If the DPS dies, it's THEIR OWN DAMN FAULT."
1-03-2010 @ 11:05PM
I just got out of a lowbie RFD run on a priest alt where I had a Lock that just had to AOE the universe on every GCD. Poor druid tank could barely keep up when the mobs were ebeing lit up before the bear even reached em.Lock's guildie buddy kept screaming at me in chat:"Healer heal to lock.""Healer WTF is your problem, heal the lock.""Healer, L2Hot the lock!"So I just played a game of seeing if I could keep that lock between 10-40% health throughout the entire run w/o him dying... :DOf course... the run took a lot longer than it should have... lowbie priest, mana regen sucks. Healing the lock and then healing the lock's hunter guildie and pet and the bear... I had to drink every other pull.Can I send him a a 1g bill for the drinks I'm buying? :DIf the fool had kept aggro off himself... we could have steamrolled through.On my tanks... DPSers doing that is just par for the course.I'm surprised when I see it on my lowbies. At level 36 you expect idiot play.But at level 80 in a heroic... come on people... learn to not pull and learn to manage your aggro.
1-03-2010 @ 11:10PM
Er... my post above should say I'm -not- surprised when I see idiot play on lowbies...But there's no excuse for it by level 80.:)
1-04-2010 @ 12:22PM
Honestly, I think that's what I'm going to do. I try not to be 'that tank', the obnoxious kind. While I'm stupidly overgeared (by and large completely geared for ICC25), I run heroics for the Frosts, and to help my girlfriend gear her druid so she can maybe get to be a full member of the raiding guild.But at times.......the dps just frustrates the hell out of me. Yes, I'm not pulling the entire room, no you DON'T have to help pull stuff.I swear, I need to make a macro to click and outline 'if you pull extra stuff, I'm LETTING it kill you, moron. Maybe next time, you'll let the tank pull'
1-04-2010 @ 3:39PM
Another addendum should be for healers: the same way there's DPS pulling like they are in a hurry to go to the bathroom (if you need, just say so geez), there are TANKS that cannot WAIT for healers to DRINK UP.Shaman healers, specifically, for the most part burn their mana when the tank cannot HOLD aggro and they burn on the DPS, so then, when the fight is over, the tank checks his rage/mana/runic and moves on like nothing happened; he doesn't check if everyone isn't at full health or the healer's mana, and keeps pulling.Then after a wipe, he asks what the hell are you doing all the way back there. That happened to me, with a "guildie" (I am a social member in a raiding guild, and it seriously makes me consider not being there, because that is far from social - I am there because my IRL friend's there, but I thought WoW is a GAME and supposed to be fun, but not when things like that happen.)
1-04-2010 @ 4:14PM
/votekick xiyangyang02 Now that that's out of the way.I tank on my DK. I've only had one noob who insisted on overaggroing me, a rogue. Naturally, when I realized he was from my server... /evilgrin... IDK how many other servers do this but I used the old "(rogue) plans on quitting the game, pst him for gold" trick. Kind of a jerk move but he deserved it. Just someone else to put on /ignore for those of you in Emberstorm--except I dunno if I should name names.
1-05-2010 @ 6:40AM
How WoW has changed... I remember when being a tank didn't make you the group the lead, it was the person who knew the instance the best. I remember when we didn't have threat meters, and managed threat by remembering what attacks used in what sequences would pull after the tank had used certain abilities. Oh, and we had to walk uphill both ways in the snow too.
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