My guess is that the enrage won't be the (very short) 5 minutes it was on the PTR. 7 minutes moves it to average required DPS being 5200; in our TOC 25 Normal geared group, that's basically where we sit right now. We haven't had luck downing Deathwhisper, so we're short on Lower Spire drops, but other than that, it just feels more sane. I wouldn't be entirely surprised by a 6 minute enrage either, though that's gonna be a tough one to hit for a lot of groups, I think.

25-man Saurfang kills -- the closest thing I know of to a 'stand still and kill' for most of the raid -- have an average/median (both) of around 117k DPS; a brief glance looks like less than 5% are above 140k. I'd be willing to acknowledge a 10%-15% buff to the DPS based on the way the fight works vs. saurfang, but not a lot more unless I'm totally off base, and that still leaves the median DPS on the (already somewhat low success rate) Saurfang encounter as being below the 140k needed for a 5 minute enrage.

Has anyone seen it live yet, or is the five minute version based on the PTR still?

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