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1-06-2010 @ 10:44AM
I'm a big evolution buff, and I've got a few questions to ask.From what I understand, the Tauren, Goblins, Trolls, and possibly Elves were all on Azeroth BEFORE the titans came and did their handiwork. And for some reason, I remember there being a significant connection between the Trolls and Elves (Not sure what happened). Just need a confirmation.Did the trolls actually do something to CHANGE into the Elves, or was it just the warring between them that caused them to interact more than the Elves and Tauren, for example.
1-06-2010 @ 10:59AM
Fairly certain all the races you mention were not developed until AFTER the Titans swung through. Let's check out Wowwiki... yup.http://www.wowwiki.com/Azeroth_%28world%29
1-06-2010 @ 11:48AM
That's odd.I remember somewhere on that same site stating that the Tauren SAW the Titans come to azeorth, along with the Trolls and presumably the Goblins. And oddly enough, yet ANOTHER article says that they were "awakened" DURING the creation of the world."The tauren race is presumed to be as old as the night elves since both races are said to have awoken during the creation of the world. "http://www.wowwiki.com/TitansAccording to some statues scattered around Uldaman, the original five races of the world were trolls, earthen, tauren, mountain giants, and sea giants. The giants and the earthen were direct creations of the titans, to aid them in shaping Azeroth. The trolls and tauren, it would seem, were the first races to evolve, or else the first creations of the titans not charged with assisting or defending Azeroth.That is kinda bizzare.Either way, the Trolls knew of the Titans long before the Dwarves came to existance, as they named them the Great Travelers (or something to that extent), which showed that they knew of the Titans. It's hard to tell if the Titans created them or not (I'm guessing not, the Trolls and Tauren seem to be unlike the Titans in every way, unlike the Earthen, Vykrul, Humans etc which all share an appearance with them. I can't find the article that claimed in Tauren history they saw the Titans come to the planet, but I know it's there somewhere.But if nothing else it seems the history of the non titan races beyond 16,000 years ago is fuzzy.
1-06-2010 @ 12:44PM
A few early tribes of trolls found the Well of Eternity and hung out for a while. Their tusks fell off, their fingers and toes multiplied, they replaced their relaxed slouch with stick-up-the-arse stoicness, and overall basically became far less awesome.
1-06-2010 @ 1:16PM
As far as I know, there aren't any lore sources that fully explain the origins of the Tauren, Trolls, or Goblins. However, this is all the evolutionary lore which I do know:-Iron Dwarves/Vykrul, Earthen, Mechagnomes, Mountain Giants, and Sea Giants, are definitely direct creations of the Titans. Some sources say that dragons were also directly created by the Titans. -Trolls and Tauren are thought to predate the Titans, and Furlborgs and Murlocs are implied to have also been around before they came too. (However-Dwarves, Normal, and Gnomes are thought to be the results of the Curse of Flesh on Iron Dwarves/Earthen, Vykrul, and Mechagnomes, and Humans and Troggs are results of particularly severe cases of the Curse of Flesh on normal Vykrul, and normal Dwarves. (For more information on the Curse of Flesh you might want to read this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Curse_of_Flesh. It could use a bit more content, but what it has already is fairly useful) The Night Elves were created when a group of Trolls came across the Well of Eternity, which was a huge lake teeming with magical energy in the middle of Kalimdor, which was then the only continent, left behind by the Titans. The potent energies of the Well transformed them into more or less the Night Elves we know today.They maintained a Magocratic society for thousands of years until Queen Azshara agreed to open a portal to allow Sargeras the Destroyer to enter Azeroth.However, Malfurion Stormrage managed to detroy it (and the portal) before Sargeras could enter (and inadvertantly cause the Sundering of Kalimdor into three pieces).The Night Elves were then split: the Kal'Dorei, who were much closer to today's Night Elves, demanded that the magic wielding Highborne either stop using the magic that had brought the Buring Legion to Azeroth, or be exiled. Some chose to give up magic, but many chose exile, and calling themselves the Quel'Dorei, or High Elves, sailed to Lordaeron, and founded Quel'Thalas.They created the Sunwell with a vial of water from the Well of Eternity, and after setting up precautions to make sure they never attracted the Burning Legion again, practised magic happily for several thousand years.Then, years later, they were attacked by the Scourge, and after being nearly wiped out, and the Sunwell being destroyed, most of them renamed themselves Blood Elves, and set about trying to find a new source of magical energy, to sate their newly discovered addiction to magic.And you can breath a sigh of relief, because the story mostly ends there.Lastly, a few races were created through the effects of the Old Gods.-The Silithid were born directly out of the energies of the Well of Eternity.-The Qiraji (or Aqir: depending on the source, they were originally Aqir, then some changed to Qiraji) were created by C'Thun, based on the Silithids, with the intentions of laying waste to the entire world.-The Nerubians are offshoots of the Aqir/Qiraji. Before the Sundering, the Aqir/Qiraji split into two empires: Ahn'Qiraj in Silithus and Azjol-Nerub in Northrend.-The Naga were Highborne (including Queen Azshara) who were supposedly transformed into what they are now by an Old God during or not long after the Sundering.-Faceless Ones are people corrupted so comprehensively by Yogg-Saron that they mutated into evil faceless monsters. An example of one is General Vezax, who was confirmed by a blue to have once been Watcher Tyr.If I have forgotten anything or made any mistakes, as I almost definitely have, please point them out.
1-06-2010 @ 1:17PM
@Ametrine -"A few early tribes of trolls found the Well of Eternity and hung out for a while. Their tusks fell off, their fingers and toes multiplied, they replaced their relaxed slouch with stick-up-the-arse stoicness, and overall basically became far less awesome."I'd like to know where in lore that's actually been stated. Speculation's been there forever, but in three years of playing and lore nerding I've yet to see ANY proof that the kal'dorei descended from the trolls.
1-06-2010 @ 4:18PM
@"I'd like to know where in lore that's actually been stated. Speculation's been there forever, but in three years of playing and lore nerding I've yet to see ANY proof that the kal'dorei descended from the trolls"The book that suggests it is called "The Twin Empires" and is found in Gadgetzan's inn (also in Booty Bay.) "Ancient texts speak of a small faction of trolls that broke off from the Amani Empire and founded their own colony in the heart of the dark continent."There, these brave pioneers discovered the cosmic Well of Eternity which transformed them into beings of immense power. Some legends suggest that these adventurous trolls were the first Night Elves, though this theory has never been proven."That's as close a statement as has been made about the night elf origins - "Empires' Fall" (also in Gadgetzan's inn) only refers to the kaldorei's origins as being "shadowy," but the Well of Eternity gave them amazing magical power. "The night elves proved to every bit as cunning and bloodthirsty as the savage trolls - incurring the latter race's eternal hatred and disdain. "Coincidence, but the "theory" is quite plausible.
1-06-2010 @ 4:42PM
@SandsliceAh, they were hiding in books I never managed to find! Clever, clever infonuggets.Thanks - that's been bugging me forever, it's good to finally see where that theory comes from. :)
1-06-2010 @ 4:58PM
Bah . . . those books in Gadgetzan are blatant Troll propaganda. "Dunno where de elves come from mon, but dey be bad. Very, very bad. And unjustly persecuted us poor Trolls." Even though the Trolls were the most powerful empire in the world at the time? What other explanation could there be than that Elves were somehow more powerful than Trolls only because they *were* Trolls.Yup, sounds like the type of theory developed "under the influence", wink, wink."Dude, I got this theory . . ."
1-07-2010 @ 9:08AM
I think it's important to note that our characters and the NPCs (when considered in-character, not in the omniscient narrator view) don't really know what happened in the titan and pre-titan eras of Azeroth. NPC text and books found in game don't have to be true. So citing them as an argument for one point or another isn't really valid. If there's a book in game that says "X race came from Y race", that doesn't mean that X came from Y, it just means that an NPC wrote a book that said that.And even then, Bliz is careful to put some contradictory in-game evidence. Bliz is deliberately keeping the ancient history somewhat murky because that adds to the realism of the setting. From an in-character perspective, our characters wouldn't know what happened in the distant past.Now, of course, some points are more settled than others. Like the "gnomes from mechagnomes (built by titan agents) via the curse of flesh" origin hypothesis looks pretty solid. But other historical points are still very much up in the air.
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