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1-07-2010 @ 8:28PM
Incoming rogue QQ?
1-07-2010 @ 10:06PM
Considering that I was complaining just a few days ago that I can't get my 80 rogue in blues & purples to reach 1k dps, I'd say yes.
1-07-2010 @ 10:12PM
lawl.. don't put 71 points in the assassination tree and you'll be fine
1-07-2010 @ 10:21PM
If you can't reach 1k dps then class mechanics are not your problem!My main is a rogue, yes we're OP in pve atm (the Deadly Poison change was a HUGE buff). It was fun while it lasted but you can't really expect them to keep one class doing a few thousand dps more than anyone else. Saw this one coming a mile off.
1-07-2010 @ 10:31PM
Did Blizzard once claim massive melee DPS coupled with surivivability was OP? Check.Did Blizzard once claim massive DPS coupled with with utility was OP? Check.Did Blizzard once claim massive DPS coupled with PvP utilitity was OP? Check.When the duration of "Cyclone" ends, area buffs such as "Leader of the Pack", "Tree of Life", and "Moonkin" will now be correctly resumed. "Bear Form" now grants 25% increased stamina instead of 25% increased health. "Dire Bear Form" now grants 25% increased stamina instead of 25% increased health. In addition, the armor bonus has been reduced from 450% to 400%. The multiplier on base weapon damage for "Mangle (Bear)" ability has been changed from 130% to 100%. In addition, the bonus damage has been reduced by the same ratio. "Savage Fury" no longer affects "Mangle (Bear)". "Savage Fury" no longer applies to "Maul" or "Swipe". The critical damage bonus on "Predatory Instincts" reduced from 3/6/9/12/15% to 2/4/6/8/10%. "Improved Leader of the Pack" can no longer get critical heals. Does blizzard afford PvP specced melee rogues the same treatment they did melee specced pvp druids?...NOPE!!!
1-07-2010 @ 10:45PM
You are obviously forgetting that Blizz adjusts DPS differently for hybrids and pure classes.
1-07-2010 @ 10:53PM
"Both specs should still do just fine on damage meters (assuming skill, gear etc.) but shouldn't be beating out other specs to such a large degree. "in other words, "We gave in to the mage and warlock QQing."
1-08-2010 @ 12:07AM
"Considering that I was complaining just a few days ago that I can't get my 80 rogue in blues & purples to reach 1k dps, I'd say yes."My main is a Rogue, she's only been 80 for about a week, and in my first few lv80 instances I put out 1500 DPS on average with mostly blues, a couple greens, and no epics. Now with a mere handful of epics she can do DPS in the area of 1900-2000.So gear is not your problem.
1-08-2010 @ 12:37AM
A rogue who knows what they're doing can break 2k single target easily in quest blues, I did it when I first hit 80 shortly after the release of wrath and rogues were nowhere near as powerful as they are now.I don't like being nerfed any more than anyone else but we rogues really need to admit that we're blowing all other classes (except hunters & geared dps warriors) out of the water. I am a little confused as to why those two other classes will remain untouched by the nerf bat but as an overpowered rogue I feel somewhat comfortable in saying that we've had it coming for a while and the most recent change to deadly poison just made it more obvious.
1-08-2010 @ 8:15AM
If rogues honestly QQ about their damage its bullshit mostly.Go to world of logs and see icecrown damage meters on pretty much every fight apart from putricide so far. If you cant be arsed I just type it here:Assassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueCombat rogueAssassination rogueArcane MageAssassination rogueArms warriorAssassination rogueAssassination rogueAssassination rogueI know logs are not "everyone in wow" but honestly if theres 8 pages of rogues topping meters with almost no other classes in sight theres "something" wrong here. And yes I say wrong because it doesnt IMO seem pretty balanced. Ofcourse rogues might flame or QQ because who wouldnt want to top meters and do sick damage? I know I would. But hey, other ones than arcane mages and rogues should have their spotlight too.
1-08-2010 @ 10:08AM
@ValtAre those parses from one rogue throughout an entire raid? If those are single fight damage meters and do not represent the whole raid, I say they cant be used as evidence that we need a nerf. Its flawed and slanted. From personal experience, I end up 3rd or 4th sometimes higher than that for the raid overall. So, while I may shine on one fight, I dont kick ass all the time. Your charts, might show who is doing great damage on one fight, but, overall dps is what should be looked at and studied. To those who say we shouldnt be tops, I ask why not? What else do we bring to the raid? If you take away our ability to do massive needed damage on a mob, then, you take away our reason for coming to a raid. We were already on shaky ground, now, they want to pull the rug out from under us, and send us back to PvP.
1-08-2010 @ 12:06PM
@MihnWorld of logs have this "top dps ranks" list there. And again, I know its not "all wow players" but I could say that If I was blizzard I would be kinda concerned that theres pages and pages of rogues. Why? Because eventually even those "not hardcores" get ICC gear where they can pull out those numbers without EJ math with their ToC25 hc gear. Ok fair enough, no need to nerf rogues before even bads get "full icc gear" but we know it is coming eventually im sure.Logs count all bosses not "entire raid". So far every boss from Lord to plague wing (apart from professor) has tons and tons of rogues. I mean even lady.. where melee has to actually move (gasp) and ranged not so much.
1-08-2010 @ 12:58PM
What?!?! Rogue nerf? There is no reason why my Assassination Rogue SHOULDN'T be doing 4.2k DPS in Naxx 10/25 gear. :)
1-08-2010 @ 7:50PM
In this particular case, I might buy into the nerf because it's aimed at leveling out other rogue builds to be more or less equal. Now I've been out of play for a few weeks... but I always hate to hear that "Rogue DPS is too high". Compared to what? Other classes? Other pure classes? We should out DPS any hybrid. We DPS, that's it. We don't tank and we don't heal. Those abilities should come at a DPS cost. That's the point of a pure class. We do one thing, so we should do it better than anyone else.Frankly, I think we should out DPS the other pure DPS classes too. Why? We're the only melee DPS class. We stand right in the heat of battle, in some of the lowest armor in the game. We take melee damage, we take ranged damage, we take aoe damage. The ability to rely on a pet, or stand at range (hunters and warlocks do both) should also come at a DPS cost.Now if I could just get used to this n52te, I might actually become one of those elitist OP rogues. Hopefully not :)
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