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1-10-2010 @ 10:47PM
I've been really disappointed with blizzard on account security - the authenticator is great, and I have one, but there are systemic problems that can't really be blamed on the player base who pays many of the penalities. Maybe a better question for the Queue - but really, how does gold selling (which seems to be the root of most hacks/spam) persist?The reason I'm confused, is, Blizzard has good record keeping it seems - they can restore lost, deleted, etc items, and can get after that Martin Fury guy for stuff said in raid chat that made it clear he knew he was using a cheat, right?so how do gold buyers not get nailed with a ban or at least short term suspension? Hacker hacks an account, sells stuff, or otherwise farms up gold, then sends it to a guy. The hacked account gets restored at expense to Blizzard for GM hours etc, and they don't look up who the gold got traded to and ban them for a few days? 2 faults at most and you should be permabanned right?But, this apparently doesn't happen. If it did - I gotta say - there would be very little hacking, as there would be very little in terms of repeat gold buying, right? Can't buy much gold with a banned account.And if there aren't repeat customers, why bother hacking accounts? If you get a payment from someone for your gold selling service, why not just steal their credit card number or take their money and not give them anything if they're not going to be repeat customers? The hacking step only makes sense if you have a customer base that isn't getting banned.And that makes me pretty disappointed in the whole situation. TLDR Summary: Bliz must not be banning gold buyers, otherwise hacking would drop off, because rather than hacking and selling gold, the gold spammers would just rip off their customers and not care that they didn't give them any gold - as there would be no repeat customers.
1-10-2010 @ 11:27PM
Well, part of the problem is that more accounts are so easy to get. There aren't any 'permanent' accounts the sellers/thieves use; that'd be dumb of them. Account services could freeze/ban as many people as they like, the thieves will just hop on another stolen account. And then there are the lvl 1 spams that are probably macros and such. If you've ever done a whois too late, you see that they're gone. You can report them if you want, but they've already been deleted and that account tossed away until it's reclaimed by the original owner so it can be stolen again (that is if the original owner hasn't upped their security).
1-11-2010 @ 12:23AM
he's talking about the people "buying" the gold.. if you bought 5k gold, and then blizz banned your account, even if it was temporary, you know blizz is watching.. you arent going to buy more gold any time soon.. so you as a repeat customer is lost to the gold seller.. if blizz did this to all the people who bought gold, buyers are going to dry up.. gold sellers wont have anyone to sell to and so they would dry up to..
1-11-2010 @ 3:38AM
Most gold spammers use none-hacked accounts, so they must buy time for it to talk in trade, which gives money to Blizzard, Blizzard bans them all = Less money for Blizzard
1-11-2010 @ 3:42AM
I guess that tracking the gold buyers isn't as easy as it looks? I really doubt that the gold goes straight from a hacked account to the gold buyer's purse, those guys are smarter than that.
1-11-2010 @ 6:39AM
How do you tell the difference between a level 1 gold seller mailing 10k and a level 1 bank alt mailing 10k for a legitimate purpose?
1-11-2010 @ 9:33AM
Gold buyers do get tracked and banned. There was a healer in my guid who bought 10k gold to buy Jet'ze's Bell. A week later he had a 1 week ban. I can't say with what frequency Blizzard is banning gold buyers, but if it's done by hand you have 2 assume it's a difficult process. Some sort of software could be developed on the bckend to track gold transaction greater than 1k gold, but even then each case would have to be reviewed to sort out the legitemate transactions. The problem is much more complicated than it seems.
1-11-2010 @ 12:19PM
If anyone played Runescape in the past year (maybe two) you could see a lot of changes in the game due to gold trading. There is a system that in the AH (it's called Grand Exchange) you can only post an item for the price the Grand Exchange generates you (based on the current number of offers and on statistics from the past day). When you trade, you can't give away a large amount of money (3000 coins max, I would say it is kind of 300g in WoW) or an item with a high Grand Exchange value (again, 3000 coins max). So if you want to trade something valuable, the trade has to be "fair": an item with a 50k coins value can be traded from 47k to 53k coins, or an other item with this value.Before, when you killed another player in the PvP part of the world, all his items dropped and you could take them. Oh and the seller can't give the money in more times. Once you have a unfair trade, you have to wait one day before doing an other. They also made the PvP part a normal PvE place, because gold sellers could go there and get killed by the gold buyer.Now, you can't buy gold anymore for real money. Accounts don't get banned. But the game is much more boring than ever before. You can't help out a friend with money or items, you can't do PvP.I stopped playing the day they introduced these changes and looked for a game I would have fun playing... my first WoW character was born.
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