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1-11-2010 @ 4:56PM
@Blacksheep - As someone who recently left a casual raiding guild for a more serious one, I think it's not as simple as people only seeing the guild as a way for loot. Obviously, those players exist. There's not much you can do about them short of turning them away during their application/recruitment phase. Me, personally, I enjoyed the company of my guildies, and I honestly didn't care that we weren't making realm-firsts or progressing as fast as possible, but the 'casual' aspect of the guild meant that friends of the raid leader got preferential treatment, and players who consistently did badly were never called on their mistakes. This led to situations where we took people doing 2k dps into ICC-25 (hai friends of the RL still in Naxx gear), dps who refused to dps adds on deathwhisper or to dps the bone spikes, and a RL who did nothing to try and change that. What you see as being nice and not berating someone over vent for making a mistake, can be very frustrating to your fellow raiders who spend the night wiping endlessly because people refuse to do what they're supposed to do. I'm not saying that you should be screaming at vent anytime someone slips up, but if the raid has spent 3 hours in ulduar wiping the entire raid in p1 Yogg because one person can't stay out of the clouds, then maybe it's time to say something instead of forcing the raid to repeatedly wipe and wasting 24 other people's times. There's the 'good' kind of wiping where you're actually learning the content and improving. And then there's the pointless kind of wiping where you're not meeting enrage timers or just failing because of the actions of a few.In the end, it's about what's important to the player. Some players prefer a guild of friends who raid, where they wipe and progress slowly than to exclude anyone from raid content (even if they clearly aren't ready for it) or to criticize people for making mistakes. Other players will prefer a raiding guild that happens to be friends, where people are held to certain standards.I would take a close look at the atmosphere of your raids (when you wipe, why does that happen? What do you do to improve the next attempt? How much time do you waste waiting for people to log on/be prepared? Does every player who gets seated pull their weight?) and decide if there's something you'd like to change to retain more raiders. If it's nothing wrong with your actual raiding atmosphere, then I'd be a bit more picky about recruitment and try to weed out the obvious loot whores, maybe by seeing their reactions to loot distribution during a raid for a trial period.
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