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1-12-2010 @ 8:31PM
As a frost mage, I totally agree that Forst Nova on an already fine pull is pointless. If the tank has the aggro, why would you do that?On a side note, I usually stand rather far away from mobs, but if I happen to pull one by accident, or because the tank is focused on other things, I pop up my ice barrier. I have the talent that auto freezes the enemy when the ice barrier is broken from too much damage. This gives me a chance to either signal the tank or kite the enemy if I must. Since I stand so far away (as a mage should), my auto Frost Nova doesn't hit the mobs that are aggroed nicely. I think this can save a bad pull from becoming worse, as a bit of crowd control (OMG, she said crowd control) can be good. And it doesn't have the "theres-a-sheep-I-should-kill-it" effect that some people tend to display.You know who you are hunters. >_>(I'm kidding about that hunter part, I hate warlocks, no worries)
1-12-2010 @ 8:37PM
As a PvE frost mage, you shouldn't have the talent that frost nova's mobs on ice barrier breaking (unless you are running heroics in your pvp spec, which would be acceptable if that's your only spec). Casting ice barrier itself is a dps loss; and really, if you are dying in heroics without ice barrier up, you're either getting really bad healers or really bad tanks who can't hold aggro. Only places I can think where ice barrier really helps is on keristrasza and garfrost (unavoidable stacking AoE); but then again, if you are arcane and keep your frost ward up, that helps immeasurably more.Most pve frost mages take Ice barrier as a filler talent, but not the extra talents that cause it to have a 100% chance to frost nova on breaking.
1-12-2010 @ 10:23PM
@PyromelterI don't know about the tanks and healers in the 5-mans I'm doing (BC Content, not Heroics yet) but I have to say I like that I've developed what works for me. I'm cool with what other frost mages do, but what I do has worked wonders so far. I leveled my mage to about 30 before doing any "research" about what you're "supposed" to do. I think sometimes this is immeasurably more fun than just being another frost mage with the same ol' talents as everyone else. Learning myself how to use my talents to my advantage and working this out in both solo-play and 5-mans has really helped me understand Mage-ing. I usually have pretty decent DPS (2nd below the DK, of course =D) and I have fun playing my character and customizing her.Now, I'm aware that this might all change when I do get into Heroics. Looks as though I might have to dual-spec into squishy arcane for that... =D
1-12-2010 @ 10:59PM
@poissondemerRight on. I join a heroic and if anyone says anything, it will be "why are you frost spec, arcane is better". I even unloaded on one guy and said "Dude. Its a heroic. I like frost. I want to have fun. Don't spoil it." Surprised a lot of people when I was still doing the most damage.
1-13-2010 @ 3:18AM
@poissondemer: Honestly, Frost is perfectly fine and acceptable as a spec for Heroics, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Unless you've got a rogue in the group you will probably top meters, and there are certain Heroics where Frost really shines. (Hell, I am pretty much full time Arcane but I still switch to my AoE Frost spec for the Tribunal of Ages.) Though I would still recommend Arcane over it at least as a fresh 80, because your #1 priority as a fresh 80 mage is to reach hit cap, and that is way easier to do as Arcane.I will say this though. I was a diehard meter-topping Frost mage from the beginning of my WoW career, all through BC and only switched to Arcane after Wrath hit and it was obvious Frost was no longer competitive in a raid setting. I will tell you that I am a hundred times a better mage since switching to Arcane. Point blank. Why? The lack of safety net and oh shiz buttons as compared to Frost. I have far greater situational awareness simply because I can't rely on having a big frosty barrier to protect me if I eff up somehow, like accidentally stand in stuff. I have to watch my threat like a hawk because I can't rely on a short Ice Block CD to bail me out. It forced me to really use the entirety of my toolkit. I could go on, but really, changing from Frost just plain made me a better, smarter player.One last thing: the speshul snowflake attitude is a bit silly. I find that far too many people with this attitude of "eff the cookie cutter specs, I'mma have fun MY way!" really fail to understand the mechanics of their class. Cookie cutter specs become standard for a reason, they are generally the best way to do things and there is little point in trying to re-invent the wheel. By all means, play what you love, but just like every freshman composition professor will tell you, learn and know the rules before you decide which ones you're going to bend or throw out. Or else you'll be the Arcane mage I was in a ToC25 pug with who had no idea why I was destroying him on the meters, and a look of his spec revealed no points in Incanter's Absorption (a debatable talent, but basically free dps given the prevalence of Disc priests bubble spamming these days), and none in Incineration (+crit to our main nuke, no earthly reason not to take it).
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