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1-13-2010 @ 8:07AM
I my first random heroic, I healed a group with a tank in all greens and blues, and they were all fury armor. He also had an "of the" shield. Since then, I have tanked all of my runs.I personally don't get why people sign up as tanks or healers if they intend to DPS. Sure, your wait may be shorter, but is the time you spend waiting for someone to volunteer to tank or heal worth it? I'd like to hear one good reason why people do that. I've been lucky that it hasn't happened to me since that first run.
1-13-2010 @ 11:11AM
I think I can answer this - at lower levels (like 25-40 etc) this is a REALLY common problem - and generally speaking this isn't an issue until Zul'Farrak (probably the first dungeon you'll ever run into that requires any amount of coordination).Some people probably get it stuck in their heads that if they pick healer/tank that they will generally queue faster, but in reality have no idea what healer or tank means (remember - you're looking into the mind of a 10-12 year old here...).Maybe as WoW moves more towards a hack/slash style of game - they should be putting in game guides? In the website guide: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/content-index.html - they really never go into combat roles unless you read through all the class guides (and even then - they don't say what tank means) - even in the combat section threat, tanking or healing isn't even mentioned except in passing.
1-13-2010 @ 2:01PM
@ SleutelThe main problem with an "Unprepared for Role" vote that you've described is that it could, and most likely WOULD, be heavily abused. OMG! That DPS is only doing 1500 DPS in a heroic compared to your 4k DPS! That must mean they suck and don't deserve to play! (As opposed to simply being a fresh 80 trying to gear up.) or, That tank is doing well enough, but I don't like his attitude. Since most of the group are my buddies, I'm going to vote to make it so he can't run dungeons for 24 hours!or, Gee, I'm an asshole who likes to piss people off for giggles. Let's see how many people my buddies and I can pull into our random group, vote to ban from dungeons, then boot!As you can see, the abuse could be horrendous. Not to mention, the punishment wouldn't be helpful to anyone in the long run. ESPECIALLY for people simply trying to gear up. The best way to punish people who queue up as tank/healer with no intention of playing that roll is for them to constantly be booted from their group. If no one is willing to do the job they signed up for FOR them, it'll eventually become apparent that that particular scheme isn't worthwhile, and they'll queue as the roll they want to play. Afterall, 30 minutes of queues is better than 3 hours of constantly being booted from dungeons because you have no intention of signing up for a roll you can pull off.
1-13-2010 @ 4:12PM
Proposed solution:After someone in the group has switched specs to tank/heal continue through the dungeon, vote to kick as soon as the option becomes available, get near instant new dps, lazy bastard has had his time wasted, you haven't.
1-13-2010 @ 5:04PM
There's a much simpler solution to the problem of DPS queuing as tank or healer, and it can be managed by the LFD system itself. If your character does not have a spec with at least 51 points spent in a tanking or healing tree, you cannot queue for that role. You would be unable to check that box, just as if your class wasn't capable of it at all.Not sure how this could handle cat druids, though.
1-13-2010 @ 6:00PM
I think that's a reasonable suggestion for now Micro. Until something is done to fix this type of thing though, I would just kick the player. If you can fill the role you thought would be filled by the other player I would make it contingent on kicking the douchebag in the first place.
1-13-2010 @ 6:13PM
@ MicrotonalProblem with that is that it really doesn't solve anything. What's to stop a hybrid class from just having tanks or heals as their offspec just to continue abusing the system in this manner?
1-13-2010 @ 8:23PM
@ microtonalYour idea doesn't really jive for deathknights either as it is possible to tank in any of the three specs.
1-13-2010 @ 11:02PM
To further monkeywrench the "51 points in XYZ spec" idea, my tanking DK (granted, level 74) is 23/23/19. He's a solid tank with good gear, high threat, and a lot of great survival talents. Frigid Deathplate, Veteran of the Third War, the standard 5/5/5, Imp Icy Touch, 15 second DnD cooldown. Heck, I'll probably continue to 80 and be 23/23/25. Raid bosses might omnomnom me, but for heroics I'd be fine.The flaw in such a strict requirement would be to kill nontraditional but effective specs.
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