Drama Mamas: We hate hate

The other night, one member of a random PUG The Spousal Unit was in announced exactly which bosses would be downed. He stated that any disagreement would cause something on his body to be put into something on your body -- only he used slightly more graphic words. The run was fine, because, though his method of communication was crude, it did convey a strategy that worked.
There are some, however, who are being crude and offensive in the same way that creeps in college libraries reveal themselves to solitary students. These poster children for GIFT (Note: The link for GIFT is not safe for work. But if you are not familiar with Penny Arcade's theory about the internet, you really need to go there.) aren't criminals in the legal sense of the word, but they do have victims and therefore I will call them perps. Who knows what motivates them. Maybe they are troubled teens who have terrible home lives and should be pitied. I don't know and honestly I don't care. I'm too busy spending my sympathy on Haiti to include these jerks in my monkeysphere. And besides, at some point you have to take responsibility for your actions, regardless of how horrible your environment is. This week, we talk about these GIFTed perps.
Dear Drama Mamas: Overall, I've been very fortunate in my Dungeon Finder experiences. But I just ran across my first troll and I probably could have handled it better. We were about two thirds of the way through Utgarde Keep, when the healer started making sexist jokes. I ignored it until he got to "Want to hear a joke? 90,000 women were raped last year" which crossed all sorts of lines for me. I initiated a vote to kick, but it didn't pass, so I dropped group. I probably should have tried telling him to shut up first, but I'm guessing that someone making rape jokes probably isn't likely to stop just because someone tells them to. At what point is offensive behavior grounds for a vote-kick. And what's the best way to deal with players like that? -That'sNotFunnyDrama Mama Robin: That'sNotFunny, I actually went through something similar in Scarlet Monastery on my priestess. I joined the run, in progress, and was told "hurry up and get here or I'll rape you." Only, instead of trying to votekick or dropping, I stuck with the group. No idea why I was so dumb that night, really. It's not like a healer needs to wait that long. As is typical with offensive jerks, he was a terrible player. He refused to use any mana as a paladin tank and pulled entire rooms. He couldn't hold aggro or take the damage. We wiped multiple times. I was blamed and votekicked out of there by him and his equally offensive buddies. I have felt violated ever since, but it is mostly my own fault for staying.
Here is how I think we both should have handled these perps:
- Write down the perp's name and server, being careful to include special characters and notice odd spellings.
- State in party chat that the perp's behavior is unacceptable and, if the perp doesn't apologize, call for a votekick. These bullies tend to have sidekicks and since kicks have to be unanimous, this will rarely work. But I think it's worth a try. (Edited to add room for discussion.)
- /ignore name-server -- This will not only ignore him but make it impossible for him to be in your future random PUGs.
- If the votekick did not work, drop out of the group.
- Use the in-game help function to report the perp.
When Blizzard eventually gets to your ticket, they will send you a lovely email thanking you for your time, promising to do something about it, but refusing to give you any real status due to privacy issues. We've seen evidence that perps get anything from a temporary reduction in chat privileges to permanent account bans.transmit or post any content or language which, in the sole and absolute discretion of Blizzard, is deemed to be offensive, including without limitation content or language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable, nor may you use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent the content and language restrictions listed above.
It sure would be nice if this were a rare scenario, but unfortunately we are likely to meet another Horatio Hatemouth again in our PUGging adventures. Though it could be worse. At least these perps don't have thousands of followers who are actually swayed by their hatespeak. Drama Mama Lisa: Inappropriate language comes in several flavors. There's good old-fashioned rough language ("The @#%@ing piece of @#@! cast on me before I could engage!"). There's flavor-of-the-moment douchebaggery (in fact, the term "douchebaggery" comes to mind). And then there's the truly offensive, inappropriate vocabulary employed by the clueless ("Dude, everyone knows that saying you're going to 'rape' something in game is just a figure of speech!").
There's arguing for your "freedom" to let your proverbial hair down and use mature language when you play -- and there's respecting the fact that you're interacting with other people in a shared social space.
There's railing against the knee-jerk demand that we all march in perfect, politically correct formation -- and there's being an insensitive jerk.
There's indulging in a little loose-and-free humor -- and there's using language that causes others to feel uncomfortable, offended ... or worse.
Don't get caught with your pants down. Before you open your mouth, consider the differences in the comparisons above. Are you being funny and hip -- or are you just behaving like a low-rent, disrespectful, tactless boor? Or if you're talking about "raping" mobs and other players, perhaps you've completely crossed the line? If you're uncertain, zip your lip. Your groupmates will thank you for it.
Drama Buster of the Week
People tend to live up -- or down -- to your expectations. The best PUG leader I've had started the run with "We're all pro. Let's do this!" I really, really wanted to be pro and not let him down... and we were. Try saying something positive and motivating at the beginning of a run, even if you think there's a scrub or two in the group. You may find that they surprise you and you'll avoid the drama that being judgmental and condescending brings.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
phaer Jan 22nd 2010 2:10PM
There's no real way to avoid trolls, they'll always stick around, but you just have to learn to ignore them and succeed without them affecting you; that's the hardest part for most people, ignoring them. I know I can't, I always get heated when someone insults my skill or says something that crosses the line. It's annoying that people find glee in doing things like this, and push the issue.
Adeany Jan 22nd 2010 4:03PM
It be articles and comments such as these that be givin' us trolls a bad name, mon. As a troll, I am extremely offended that whenever one of our brothers steps even slightly out of line, the entire troll community is labeled as wrongdoers. Not every troll is intolerant. Not every troll likes to use these offensive terms liberally. We are treated worse than murlocs due to the actions of a select few.
I'm a troll. I like being one. But it saddens me very much when I am refused an invite to a raid because "Oh, just last week some troll ran his mouth on the forums and he got banned." I'm tired of my opinions and beliefs being dismissed out of hand. I can tell you that every single one of my troll brothers takes offense when anyone says "Don't mind him, he's just a troll." Maybe we wouldn't be so prone to offensive bursts if you weren't so quick to judge us based on the color of our blue skin and the fact that we have fewer toes than you.
What is wrong with you people? On the one hand you pretend to be offended by the usage of intolerant words such as "rape" and "gay." On the other hand, you project the same intolerance on us trolls. This article has even come up with a new racial slur for trolls. I'm now afraid of speaking up in [1. General] or [2. Trade] for fear of being labeled a "perp." This makes you all hypocrites. It is a disgrace and a sham that this kind of discrimination should exist in the World of Warcraft.
I have had enough. It is about time that the rest of the World of Warcraft stopped judging us trolls for the actions of a small group of irresponsible individuals. One day, the rest of the troll community will realize this. Stay strong, my brothers! The revolution is coming. When that day arrives, we shall be delivered from our oppression.
Until then, they'll see me trollin', they hatin'. Patrollin', they tryin' ta catch me raidin' dirty....
Finnicks Jan 22nd 2010 4:34PM
When I'm on my tank/healer druid, I just tell em', "Either clean up your act, or you can wait in the queue for 10-15 minutes for another tank." USUALLY that works, but sometimes (only once so far, to be honest) I've just had to drop group and start another random heroic.
But what if you're all by yourself as a DPS? My worst pug experience came when I got randomly put into a Heroic Halls of Reflection group on my Warlock after waiting in the queue for 30 minutes:
I got randomly assigned to be leader, but the tank launched into an in-depth typed explaination of the "alcove method" right off the bat, bouncing around to "show us" where we're supposed to stand (honestly, a simple "I'm using the alcove. Everyone know what to do?" would have sufficed).
All fine and good, once she was done she just kinda stood there, so I ran out to go start the event, and was treated to this, "where the @#$% are you going lock", "get back over here idiot". I replied, simply, "I'm starting the event. Be nice."
The mobs start coming, a Priest comes out, so I pop a skull on it and come unglued on it. Priest goes down, I mark the Mercenary with a skull...
"wtf who is marking STOP [name] is on marks"
I glance at the DK in question, and notice that he's in the same guild as our pallytank. OK, fine fine. I didn't say a word and I stopped marking.
The next few pulls go by, the DK is not only marking, but he's also jumping the gun and putting skulls on other targets when a Priest is up, and beyond that, he's marking every single mob with a different symbol. No kill order on the marks was stated, either. So I continued to kill the Priests first, Mercs second, Mages third, ect.
I also noticed that the DK is spending so much time marking, that he's hardly doing any damage. The mage, who is going all-out, is barely pulling 2k (at which point I noticed he's ALSO in their guild), and I'm leading the way with 4k DPS and a round 40% of the overall damage done, with the TANK in second.
On the 3rd wave, the DK slaps a skull on a Mage, ignoring the Priest, leaving me as the only DPS trying to kill the priest. Dude to fears, knockbacks and healing, we barely get the 3rd wave down as the 4th is already heading our way (since they are on a timer in Heroic). Once again, he puts a skull on the Mage and ignores a Priest AND a Mercenary, and this time doesn't mark anything else at all. Finally out of patience, I switch the skull to the Priest.
I proceed to get BITCHED OUT by the tank for changing the mark and attacking the wrong targets, and the other 2 started in saying that I'm a fail idiot lock who doesn't listen to instructions because I was told at the very beginning that the DK was on marking duty (this wasn't stated, however, until the tank bitched me out during the first wave). The mage also told me to "go play a real class" and to "stop qq", which baffled me. Really? Making fun of my class? Especially when I'm doing twice as much damage as you are?
My response: "Gee, it would have been a lot simpler if you'd just said at the beginning 'Can you pass lead please me, [dk] and [mage] are gonna mark and such.' Rather than bitch me out when for all I knew this was a completely random pug group. It would also hope if your 'designated marker' was spending less time using every lucky charm in his repetoire and more time actually DPSing."
All this was happening during the Falric fight and during the next 2 waves. When the tank started mocking me, asking me "how much longer on your dungeon cd lock?", I got pissed and stopped all DPS. They proceeded to get overwhelmed by the adds and we wiped. Yeah, I was a bit of a jerk to stop DPS and wipe the group (the healer was a pug too, it wasn't her fault).
Then I said, with about 20 seconds left on my dungeon CD: "w/e. You guys are already kicking me despite the fact that I'm top in DPS by far because you're a bunch of elitist jerks. Hope you feel better about yourselves."
The pug healer asked "Why are you guys fighting?" right as I got votekicked.
So the unfortunate truth is that you can't ignore all trolls. Some of them are just out to make your life miserable and then ultimately make the whole ordeal a waste of your time by booting you before the end.
Finnicks Jan 22nd 2010 4:41PM
My only consolation is that I checked on their server shortly afterwards (about 5 or 10 minutes) and noticed that all three of them were in a different dungeon. Since I'm pretty sure you it's not possible to do the second half of the waves *and* the Lich King chase in under 10 minutes, I'm pretty sure that without my DPS they weren't able to keep up w/ the waves of adds.
Served them right.
vinniedcleaner Jan 22nd 2010 7:32PM
What makes this subject so divisive is the fact that it is subjective and situational. What is offensive to one person may just be fun and games to another. Some people are bothered by crude language, some are offended by insults to their choice of class or play-style, while someone else might be frustrated by being harassed by another player who outlevels/outgears them. Until all types of cyberbullying are addressed and curtailed, there will be no agreement on what is the proper way to behave.
icepyro Jan 22nd 2010 10:27PM
@Adeany
I lol'd. Especially when I think of how many "troll revolutions" you have likely prevented or stopped in your adventures. Wow does really hate most trolls, you know?
shamman22 Jan 23rd 2010 6:09AM
There is a great mod called "ignoremore." It allows you ignore infinite amounts of players and also put notes by their names for why your ignoring them. Also, and this is the really awesome feature, it saves the list to all your alts. I've found once I got to around 400 people or so listed from my server, I've rarely had to see any ignorance in trade chat, or pug raids with anyone that was annoying. A couple of times I ignored everyone that put the "anal" thing and chuck norris jokes in chat. I've rarely seen one since.
Birdfall Jan 23rd 2010 10:06PM
@Vinnie: I think the point of Lisa's response to NotFunny is that there *is* a line beyond the personal comfort zone. On things like foul language, most people who don't like it just turn the language filter on or ignore the moron talking (I myself don't like foul language but as long as my filter is on I don't care). But some stuff can get GM action taken against a player, and for good reason. And that ISN'T a personal preference issue. Ignoring the fact that "hatespeak" is against TOS, some stuff (like rape or racism) is just straight up disturbing. There are no excuses for personal preference in those cases -- some junk is just wrong, period.
For myself, I get really upset about rape references, even if it's a friend joking about a boss kill or PVP, because I had a friend hurt like that. Badly. Like, front of newspapers, can still Google it kind of bad. So I'll ask people to cut out rape references because they upset me so much. If they're jerks about it, I'll drop, report, and put whoever it was on ignore. Because some stuff just isn't something you joke about in public.
So I guess my argument is... yeah, SOME things can be subjective. But the OP is concerned about the kind of cruel offensiveness you'd expect from sadists and sociopaths. And that stuff isn't subjective to anyone BUT the sociopath spouting it.
vinniedcleaner Jan 24th 2010 2:25AM
I hope I didn't come across like I was defending offensive terms or behavior. I was just making the point that the types of people that make these comments feel somehow justified in offending others because they were 'offended' at one time or another.
Scott Jan 22nd 2010 2:16PM
I tend to be on the side of free speech... that being said, no one is forcing you to stay with that group or even play WoW if you're offended by the chat.
I neither condone or particularly enjoy trollish chat but I think the problem is who decides what is offensive. I've meet some really nice people on WoW but some seem to take the slightest offense at any opportunity.
I'll freely grant that I can be an insensitive jerk at times (read: male).. :D
Sean Jan 22nd 2010 2:41PM
Hmm yea I sort of agree with you, while the behavior is really poor, its not all that uncommon and its the type of thing anyone should just walk away from if they don't like it, or choose to ignore it. Ignoring the person as suggested is fine, its doing your dilligence to prevent future groupings.
IMO making a ticket over this type of behavior is a waste of blizzard's already totally backed up time. They are overloaded with people's tickets from hacked accounts, so you'll just end up feeling diminished in your effort for justice when nothing gets done about it.
Sev Jan 22nd 2010 3:03PM
I agree, sort of.
While I tend to stay away from the F-bomb, My friend and I were once in an OS PuG bak in the day nad he dropped the F-bomb in Raid chat. While the F-bomb was aimed towards the boss, the raid leader kicked him almost instantly.
In my experience, some people take to much offence onto online commentary. One of my "rules" is to hardly ever take anythign serious on the internet. While WoW may different with its wide variaty of age groups this rule should still hold somewhat true.
If you don't like the language, turn the language filter on.
If you don't like the player, /ignore them.
If you can't stand the slightest F-bomb or minor curse word (such as "ass" which is typically commonly used in olde style games) then you shouldn't be playing this game in my opinion.
Just my 2 cents.
Batmunkh Jan 22nd 2010 3:06PM
@scott
People often think of WOW as the USA for some random reason. That they have the same rights in game as they do in America. Well here's a quick news flash- YOU DON'T. As soon as you agree to the terms of service that whole ''freedom of speech i can say whatever i @#% want to'' becomes obsolete. You are in the World of Warcraft in game people. Different rules, and guess what- YOU agreed to them. And signed a legal document saying you agreed to them. So, just play nice and try and not act like you can get away with anything under your virtual identity.
Sev Jan 22nd 2010 3:06PM
I forgot to add, that if someone is directly aiming their insults at YOU or someone else then yes, that is unacceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. But in terms maybe insulting the mobs in the game, that's a different story.
Azure Jan 22nd 2010 3:09PM
Protip:
Anything involvong "rape" is offensive. Period.
Protip #2:
Writing a ticket is a very good thing. Maybe the GIFTer wont have the chance to offend someone who has expeerienced real trauma in their life.
Irem Jan 22nd 2010 3:12PM
Free speech works both ways. You have the right to say pretty much anything you want, and I have the right to tell you you're an asshat for saying it.
For the millionth time, you're free to speak your mind without legal consequences. You are not free to speak your mind without social consequences. And that's something that doesn't even apply in a game where you've agreed to the Terms of Service, which have a paragraph quoted above that boils down to "don't be an asshat."
Yes, you can walk away. I do, or better yet, I avoid PUGs altogether. But there's no oppression of free speech going on when someone turns to someone else and tells them they're making an idiot of themselves, or god forbid reports them for violating the rules of the game. People who can't be bothered to think of how their words affect others because they want to say something dumb and nothing's going to stop them are no different from that DPS DK in your random group that refuses to take off Frost Presence for no good reason other than that he likes it there. There's no need to pretty up disregard for others or a desire to offend by pretending it's a noble exercise of your right to free speech.
Avan Jan 22nd 2010 3:22PM
Freedom of speech only works in public areas. You want to rally in the streets? Public area, freedom of speech will protect what you say (unless it's hate speech and the like). You want to rally inside a mall? Private property, and freedom of speech doesn't have to protect you there.
The same concept applies to the internet. Because you're playing on Blizzard's servers (private property), freedom of speech doesn't protect any damn thing that you have to say. Oh, and there is the Terms of Use thing that you agree to when you first signed up to play WoW (and after every major patch) that basically states that Blizzard reserves the right to moderate all your bullshit, and if you don't like it then you can either stop playing or have your account banned.
Have fun being jerks!
PeeWee Jan 22nd 2010 4:59PM
"Free speech" doesn't apply in-game, just as it doesn't apply on forums. It's not a democracy. If you are reported and the GM finds your "free speech" violating said Terms of Use (take the time to read it, lots of useful information there) you may find your account permanently closed.
Also, take some time to research what "free speech" REALLY means, since you obviously fail to grasp the concept.
Neirin Jan 22nd 2010 5:49PM
Even as an issue of free speech under US (or Canadian, or EU, etc) law (which WoW isn't obviously, but let's just go with it) there are provisions for things like verbal harassment - you have freedom of expression with freedom of consequence. If your coworker told you to finish that report or they'd rape you, they'd be fired or arrested, so a PuG player that does similar things should be vote kicked (fired) or banned (arrested).
I understand the appeal of offensive humor (hell, that's basically all South Park is and I like that show), but it's important to remember that offensive humor that someone doesn't find funny is just being offensive.
Gothia Jan 24th 2010 7:37AM
To condone a threat against a gender is not and never will be acceptable behavior in public or private. Women are in constant threat of these actions and if you have been or have met a victim of rape you would scrub that offensive word from your vocabulary. I am appalled that some of these comments are minimizing the context of this article.