Drama Mamas: We hate hate

The other night, one member of a random PUG The Spousal Unit was in announced exactly which bosses would be downed. He stated that any disagreement would cause something on his body to be put into something on your body -- only he used slightly more graphic words. The run was fine, because, though his method of communication was crude, it did convey a strategy that worked.
There are some, however, who are being crude and offensive in the same way that creeps in college libraries reveal themselves to solitary students. These poster children for GIFT (Note: The link for GIFT is not safe for work. But if you are not familiar with Penny Arcade's theory about the internet, you really need to go there.) aren't criminals in the legal sense of the word, but they do have victims and therefore I will call them perps. Who knows what motivates them. Maybe they are troubled teens who have terrible home lives and should be pitied. I don't know and honestly I don't care. I'm too busy spending my sympathy on Haiti to include these jerks in my monkeysphere. And besides, at some point you have to take responsibility for your actions, regardless of how horrible your environment is. This week, we talk about these GIFTed perps.
Dear Drama Mamas: Overall, I've been very fortunate in my Dungeon Finder experiences. But I just ran across my first troll and I probably could have handled it better. We were about two thirds of the way through Utgarde Keep, when the healer started making sexist jokes. I ignored it until he got to "Want to hear a joke? 90,000 women were raped last year" which crossed all sorts of lines for me. I initiated a vote to kick, but it didn't pass, so I dropped group. I probably should have tried telling him to shut up first, but I'm guessing that someone making rape jokes probably isn't likely to stop just because someone tells them to. At what point is offensive behavior grounds for a vote-kick. And what's the best way to deal with players like that? -That'sNotFunnyDrama Mama Robin: That'sNotFunny, I actually went through something similar in Scarlet Monastery on my priestess. I joined the run, in progress, and was told "hurry up and get here or I'll rape you." Only, instead of trying to votekick or dropping, I stuck with the group. No idea why I was so dumb that night, really. It's not like a healer needs to wait that long. As is typical with offensive jerks, he was a terrible player. He refused to use any mana as a paladin tank and pulled entire rooms. He couldn't hold aggro or take the damage. We wiped multiple times. I was blamed and votekicked out of there by him and his equally offensive buddies. I have felt violated ever since, but it is mostly my own fault for staying.
Here is how I think we both should have handled these perps:
- Write down the perp's name and server, being careful to include special characters and notice odd spellings.
- State in party chat that the perp's behavior is unacceptable and, if the perp doesn't apologize, call for a votekick. These bullies tend to have sidekicks and since kicks have to be unanimous, this will rarely work. But I think it's worth a try. (Edited to add room for discussion.)
- /ignore name-server -- This will not only ignore him but make it impossible for him to be in your future random PUGs.
- If the votekick did not work, drop out of the group.
- Use the in-game help function to report the perp.
When Blizzard eventually gets to your ticket, they will send you a lovely email thanking you for your time, promising to do something about it, but refusing to give you any real status due to privacy issues. We've seen evidence that perps get anything from a temporary reduction in chat privileges to permanent account bans.transmit or post any content or language which, in the sole and absolute discretion of Blizzard, is deemed to be offensive, including without limitation content or language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable, nor may you use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent the content and language restrictions listed above.
It sure would be nice if this were a rare scenario, but unfortunately we are likely to meet another Horatio Hatemouth again in our PUGging adventures. Though it could be worse. At least these perps don't have thousands of followers who are actually swayed by their hatespeak. Drama Mama Lisa: Inappropriate language comes in several flavors. There's good old-fashioned rough language ("The @#%@ing piece of @#@! cast on me before I could engage!"). There's flavor-of-the-moment douchebaggery (in fact, the term "douchebaggery" comes to mind). And then there's the truly offensive, inappropriate vocabulary employed by the clueless ("Dude, everyone knows that saying you're going to 'rape' something in game is just a figure of speech!").
There's arguing for your "freedom" to let your proverbial hair down and use mature language when you play -- and there's respecting the fact that you're interacting with other people in a shared social space.
There's railing against the knee-jerk demand that we all march in perfect, politically correct formation -- and there's being an insensitive jerk.
There's indulging in a little loose-and-free humor -- and there's using language that causes others to feel uncomfortable, offended ... or worse.
Don't get caught with your pants down. Before you open your mouth, consider the differences in the comparisons above. Are you being funny and hip -- or are you just behaving like a low-rent, disrespectful, tactless boor? Or if you're talking about "raping" mobs and other players, perhaps you've completely crossed the line? If you're uncertain, zip your lip. Your groupmates will thank you for it.
Drama Buster of the Week
People tend to live up -- or down -- to your expectations. The best PUG leader I've had started the run with "We're all pro. Let's do this!" I really, really wanted to be pro and not let him down... and we were. Try saying something positive and motivating at the beginning of a run, even if you think there's a scrub or two in the group. You may find that they surprise you and you'll avoid the drama that being judgmental and condescending brings.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 8)
(cutaia) Jan 22nd 2010 5:00PM
What WoW Jackass needs in order to hit the big time, is a mod that will relay that information to you easily in game. Maybe even a way to report that information in-game instead of tabbing over. Right now there's only three reports listed for my entire realm, and I know I've met a lot more Jackasses than that.
And of course a way to mark people for random acts of Uber as well would be nice.
Jarviswabi Jan 22nd 2010 2:43PM
I'm going to vent on a slightly-related note because this JUST happened to me and then I happened to read this column.
I was doing my daily pug of Heroic Forge of Souls on my hunter hoping to get the trinket off the last boss (I'm on an ArP kick lately and I want to see if the proc is worth it). None of my guildies were on, so I waited the 12 minutes it took for the Dungeon Finder to match me up, no big deal. The group had 3 people from the same guild in it, which sometimes makes me worry, but they did okay from the start so I figured I'd go with it. The rogue was only doing 1900 dps, but whatever, we managed to down Bronjahm with no errors. I didn't say a single word, no complaints, no mention of hoping for that trinket, no nothing. Nice smooth run. Until we got to the Devourer's chamber and suddenly I was booted. No explanation, no nothing. I can only assume that the DK and rogue realized I would probably roll on that trinket and didn't want the competition, and being from the same guild, had the ability to easily pass the kick vote.
When I bitched about this in my realm's Trade Chat, the usual idiots insisted I must have done something (or better yet, that I'm just an @sshole) to deserve it, but I swear I did nothing. I was tops in DPS, I misdirected to the pally tank every time it was up, I did my job and didn't say boo. It just pisses me off that people are that inconsiderate--not surprised, but still pissed. Now I'm locked out of that run till tomorrow after wasting 30 minutes of my time (queuing and then running).
I guess I'd be better off just automatically bailing on any runs with people from the same guild/realm at the start and waiting out the cooldown and queue, but for some reason, I keep hoping people won't be douches. Most of the time they're not, but man, this is a shitty way to end the week.
I wish I remembered the people's names, but all I remember is "Animosity" from Azgalor. Must be a dickhead-only guild.
chuckie Jan 22nd 2010 5:38PM
That completly sucks what happened to you and theres not much you do about it:(
Been pugging a bit today and the amount of complete prats that are out there is amazing. On two occasions while doing the Forge of souls quest chain i died at last boss of FoS and PoS (ok my fault). I asked nicely for a Res and nobody could be bothered to ressurect me. I had to run all the way back in to hand the quest in. On one occasion i was asked by the healer to "say sorreh" before being rescurrected probably a joke but i didnt think it was funny after the earlier crap i went though.
Then you have tanks just leaving with no warning and your group is in trouble as theres a lack of tanks at most times using the dungeon finder tool.
Then you have bitching and moaning about DPS meters, healers who think they are god like and threat people like crap. The amount of rude Druids(no offence) out there that ive been grouped with in the Pug System is unbelievable just because your a druid doesnt mean you can treat people like crap. Are all druids like this? Have they all got this god-complex? Incredable.
So either people are just lazy or just are plain rude. Theres no excuse for some the crap you get in Pugs and people leaving the group earlier should be punished better than a 15 min debuff. I mean a tank leaving can mean the end of the run in most cases.
Just a few of the things that pissed me off today anyway rant over have a good day.
Jarviswabi Jan 22nd 2010 2:45PM
Oh, and using the word "rape" or any of the other highly offensive words people mentioned here is totally inappropriate, I don't care what generation you are or what you've learned. It's wrong, it's inconsiderate, and just because you have the right to free speech doesn't mean you should exercise at the expense of other people's sensibilities. Someone who likes saying an offensive word even when they know it hurts other people has some serious problems they're trying to compensate for.
Richard Jan 22nd 2010 2:52PM
I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with your *opinion*.
"The invading army charged through the town and raped it of all its worth." is a perfectly legitimate and non-offensive use of the word.
Raping someTHING has an entirely different meaning than raping someONE.
As to your last sentence: should we ban the words "sexual assault" or "inappropriate touching" as well? Of course not. That's silly.
I'd like to think that most people have the basic intelligence to understand when someone is saying something that has no sexual connotations whatsoever. Of course, I'm likely wrong in thinking that.
Azure Jan 22nd 2010 3:31PM
@Richard and anyone else who things "rape" as in pillage is not offensive.
You really need to think about what your saying. An army invades, they kill, destroy, burn everything there. Men, women, children. Innocents, civilians, lives runed. This is non-offensive to you? Maybe you need to move out of your comfortable town to Rowanda or Iraq or any of the many other places where dictators kill with no cause. Your lucky you live where you do.
Richard Jan 22nd 2010 3:46PM
Azure: of COURSE the act is offensive. No sane soul would debate that.
The word describing the act is different.
I certainly hope you're intelligent enough to know the difference.
Gumbolaya Jan 22nd 2010 4:07PM
To Richard and all the other history buffs who argue for the non-sexual meaning of "rape":
"Rape" in this case is a shortened from of "rape-and-pillage". You are right on that account. Why does that term exist, though, with those specific words? Because as the invading army came through town, they would pillage all the goods they could find and sexually rape the women. Hardly proves your point.
ZMES_Matt Jan 22nd 2010 5:14PM
@Azure
You do realize you're playing a game called "Warcraft", right?
The entire game is about adversaries attempting to conquer one another, whether it's the Horde vs Alliance or Living vs Scourge, the absolute basis of the game is what you're calling so atrocious that no one should talk about it lightly, which, if that's the case I have to ask that if you can't even talk about it then how do you live with yourself by participating in a simulation of it?
Neil Jan 22nd 2010 2:48PM
Whenever I'm grouped with people who say "gay" derisively, I immediately tell them that I'm gay (I'm not) and that they're producing far less dps than a gay dude. Drives them crazy. Far more effective and satisfying than simply quitting.
For some reason the people who use anti-gay slurs are usually Blood Elf Death Knights. I'm sure there's a psychological explanation for that class and race choice.
Jarviswabi Jan 22nd 2010 2:50PM
That is awesome, I have to remember to do that next time.
Dae Jan 22nd 2010 2:58PM
So let me get this straight- you're taking offense at something that is only potentially insulting (and almost every gay person I've met hasn't had a problem with using gay like that, myself included) and getting your revenge by deceiving the group and encouraging the idea that there's relevant distinctions between the two in an online game?
I'm so glad us gays have someone like you to help the world move forward in their perception of us.
Neil Jan 22nd 2010 3:53PM
@Dae
Took me a few reads to understand your point. Still not sure I understand your problem.
So you, and all the gay people you know, have no problem with people using "gay" derisively? As in, saying someone or something is "gay" and equating "gay" with "bad" or "weak" or "lame?"
I somehow have trouble believing that. And every gay person I know would disagree with you. And GLAAD would disagree with you.
And I never said I was taking offense. Someone saying "gay" negatively doesn't offend me personally, but I have fun making a bigot angry.
Thing is about people who constantly say something is "gay" derisively, is that they're usually confused young men. Guys who have a problem with their own identity. And when I "deceive" them by telling them I'm gay through an anonymous computer program, and then proceed to demolish them in damage, I'm simply messing with them.
Staying in a group and making a bigot uncomfortable is fun. It's not a social statement and it's not going to change minds.
Eddy Jan 22nd 2010 4:03PM
I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with Dae. I kind of am totally chafing that you're having to wave around 'look, a gay can do more DPS than you so stfu!' when really the best thing is to realize that the actual meaning of the terms are changing.
I used to be really self-righteous about those terms. I used to ask people not to use them in groups. But then I came to realize that when they said the poor boss drops were gay and the failure of a tank was gay and the boss's aoe was gay that the word really had nothing to do with homosexuals or the gay rights movement in that context. Words can mean a lot of things and using the word 'gay' derisively doesn't always mean that the person is insensitive to actual gay people. The word has been used so long its third meaning has become normalized- because I mean the word unironically meant happy for a long time. That might not be a bad thing- most people are capable of separating the different meanings of the word.
Also, thanks for showing so much support to the gay cause that you have to go so far out of your way to show that you do support it, but that btw you're not so we shouldn't judge you as if you might be, as if that might be a bad thing. I feel like that's probably more damaging than the actual secondary use of the term gay. The fact that it matters to you whether someone on a blog might think you're gay for supporting what's essentially a human rights issue is kinda gay. Plenty of people actually get outdps'd, outhealed by little girls and gay men and massochists and circus contortionists every day and I don't think someone claiming to be a homosexual with good dps is going to change too much.
cendrekai Jan 22nd 2010 4:40PM
I am a girl in RL. And whenever you get in a sexist group (or just some meathead dueling in front or Org) there is no better insult that telling them. "Guess what you just got beat by a GIRL." Drives them up a wall.
Dailen Jan 22nd 2010 5:05PM
Of course I don't want people saying that my sexuality is a negative thing, but that association isn't being made when most people say it, and it doesn't happen in mine if I take it in context.
I'm aware GLAAD disagrees with me on that point. I don't remember voting them to be in charge of choosing what is and what isn't offensive to me though.
I suppose the gays I hang out with are a bit younger and less uptight than the ones you know *shrug.* It's not a debate that's going to be resolved in any way in these comments.
Locke Jan 23rd 2010 6:15PM
I agree with Dae 100% I am I gay man IRL and my friends use the word "gay" all the time. The fact that they know, that i know, they mean nothing by it is important to me. I dont WANT people to feel like they have to dance around their words to avoid offending me. That only serves to make you seem more different.
IMHO: If someone is not trying to offend you, there is no reason to be offended.
Also Dae makes a good point, by pointing out that you as a (pretend) gay man can do more DPS than them, you imply that normally a gay person wouldn't be able to do this. Thank you for your effort but honestly, its not helping.
And for the record: GLAAD does not speak for all gay people.
Ellie Jan 22nd 2010 2:55PM
I'm probably oldfashioned, but I see no reason to behave differently towards others in a game than I would in reality. People are people whether there are pixels between you and them or not. So play nice and treat others with respect.
And as for "that's how people of a younger generation speak now". Yes, that's true when they speak amongst each other. But most of them clean up their language when they speak to their parents, teachers and other grown-ups. It shouldn't be any different ingame.
Adeany Jan 22nd 2010 3:20PM
I'm a teenager playing a game. The world revolves around me, 'cause I'm a teenager. Thus everyone else playing this game is also a teenager. I have no reason to assume that anyone I group with is an adult. So unless you actually say "lul I'm an adult and I get offended when you young whippersnappers say bad words" then I'm going to speak in-game however I want, which will involve liberal application of "bad words."
Honestly, the language I see in this game isn't that bad at all. Be glad this isn't xbawks live.
Drakkenfyre Jan 22nd 2010 5:33PM
You go ahead, and when you get banned for violating the TOS for saying those "bad words", you can come here and complain about it, and how you are talking like everyone else you know, and how you shouldn't be punished for breaking the rules.