Drama Mamas: We hate hate

The other night, one member of a random PUG The Spousal Unit was in announced exactly which bosses would be downed. He stated that any disagreement would cause something on his body to be put into something on your body -- only he used slightly more graphic words. The run was fine, because, though his method of communication was crude, it did convey a strategy that worked.
There are some, however, who are being crude and offensive in the same way that creeps in college libraries reveal themselves to solitary students. These poster children for GIFT (Note: The link for GIFT is not safe for work. But if you are not familiar with Penny Arcade's theory about the internet, you really need to go there.) aren't criminals in the legal sense of the word, but they do have victims and therefore I will call them perps. Who knows what motivates them. Maybe they are troubled teens who have terrible home lives and should be pitied. I don't know and honestly I don't care. I'm too busy spending my sympathy on Haiti to include these jerks in my monkeysphere. And besides, at some point you have to take responsibility for your actions, regardless of how horrible your environment is. This week, we talk about these GIFTed perps.
Dear Drama Mamas: Overall, I've been very fortunate in my Dungeon Finder experiences. But I just ran across my first troll and I probably could have handled it better. We were about two thirds of the way through Utgarde Keep, when the healer started making sexist jokes. I ignored it until he got to "Want to hear a joke? 90,000 women were raped last year" which crossed all sorts of lines for me. I initiated a vote to kick, but it didn't pass, so I dropped group. I probably should have tried telling him to shut up first, but I'm guessing that someone making rape jokes probably isn't likely to stop just because someone tells them to. At what point is offensive behavior grounds for a vote-kick. And what's the best way to deal with players like that? -That'sNotFunnyDrama Mama Robin: That'sNotFunny, I actually went through something similar in Scarlet Monastery on my priestess. I joined the run, in progress, and was told "hurry up and get here or I'll rape you." Only, instead of trying to votekick or dropping, I stuck with the group. No idea why I was so dumb that night, really. It's not like a healer needs to wait that long. As is typical with offensive jerks, he was a terrible player. He refused to use any mana as a paladin tank and pulled entire rooms. He couldn't hold aggro or take the damage. We wiped multiple times. I was blamed and votekicked out of there by him and his equally offensive buddies. I have felt violated ever since, but it is mostly my own fault for staying.
Here is how I think we both should have handled these perps:
- Write down the perp's name and server, being careful to include special characters and notice odd spellings.
- State in party chat that the perp's behavior is unacceptable and, if the perp doesn't apologize, call for a votekick. These bullies tend to have sidekicks and since kicks have to be unanimous, this will rarely work. But I think it's worth a try. (Edited to add room for discussion.)
- /ignore name-server -- This will not only ignore him but make it impossible for him to be in your future random PUGs.
- If the votekick did not work, drop out of the group.
- Use the in-game help function to report the perp.
When Blizzard eventually gets to your ticket, they will send you a lovely email thanking you for your time, promising to do something about it, but refusing to give you any real status due to privacy issues. We've seen evidence that perps get anything from a temporary reduction in chat privileges to permanent account bans.transmit or post any content or language which, in the sole and absolute discretion of Blizzard, is deemed to be offensive, including without limitation content or language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable, nor may you use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent the content and language restrictions listed above.
It sure would be nice if this were a rare scenario, but unfortunately we are likely to meet another Horatio Hatemouth again in our PUGging adventures. Though it could be worse. At least these perps don't have thousands of followers who are actually swayed by their hatespeak. Drama Mama Lisa: Inappropriate language comes in several flavors. There's good old-fashioned rough language ("The @#%@ing piece of @#@! cast on me before I could engage!"). There's flavor-of-the-moment douchebaggery (in fact, the term "douchebaggery" comes to mind). And then there's the truly offensive, inappropriate vocabulary employed by the clueless ("Dude, everyone knows that saying you're going to 'rape' something in game is just a figure of speech!").
There's arguing for your "freedom" to let your proverbial hair down and use mature language when you play -- and there's respecting the fact that you're interacting with other people in a shared social space.
There's railing against the knee-jerk demand that we all march in perfect, politically correct formation -- and there's being an insensitive jerk.
There's indulging in a little loose-and-free humor -- and there's using language that causes others to feel uncomfortable, offended ... or worse.
Don't get caught with your pants down. Before you open your mouth, consider the differences in the comparisons above. Are you being funny and hip -- or are you just behaving like a low-rent, disrespectful, tactless boor? Or if you're talking about "raping" mobs and other players, perhaps you've completely crossed the line? If you're uncertain, zip your lip. Your groupmates will thank you for it.
Drama Buster of the Week
People tend to live up -- or down -- to your expectations. The best PUG leader I've had started the run with "We're all pro. Let's do this!" I really, really wanted to be pro and not let him down... and we were. Try saying something positive and motivating at the beginning of a run, even if you think there's a scrub or two in the group. You may find that they surprise you and you'll avoid the drama that being judgmental and condescending brings.
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Reader Comments (Page 8 of 8)
thpthpthp Jan 23rd 2010 4:17AM
If your friend tells you one day that his guild raped heroic Anub last night. Douse your mind immediately go to 10 people trying to sexually assault a giant Spider Bug monster in a school girl outfit, or a group of players killing a instance boss and getting some phat lewt?
However, I said "friend". Personally I would not use such a word in that context unless I already knew the person and knew they were alright with using it that way.
Brocktree Jan 23rd 2010 5:07AM
As an English person, there are numerous expletives that I frequently use: Bugger, Bloody, Sod, Git, Arse, Shit, Shite, Idjit... with a few other less savoury ones. I'm also quite good at blasphemy, which I understand for some is offensive.
Now, for me, they are nothing more than adjectives to give body to a sentence; but I am well aware that not everyone wants to hear that.
My guides on swearing for the receiving end:
. Tell the person you’re offended, they should stop.
. Failing their compliance to stop, do as Drama mammas stated above. You shouldn’t let other people spoil your fun.
My guides on swearing for the typist:
. You’re not the only person playing; hiding behind an avatar is no excuse for sheer bad manners. If someone doesn’t like what you’ve said, then chill out and keep the language at a minimum, it doesn’t take much.
. If you’re upset, there’s no reason to take it out on a player... now I know this is cliché, but:
IT’S ONLY A GAME. There is no reason to get upset, it’s not going to affect your life. But in consequence, mouthing off will affect your life when you get reported and your banned.
My guides for everyone:
. It's only a game; you shouldn’t have to worry about angry people, try and stay calm, if something frustrates you, dust off your boots and continue onto the next group. You are much better than the angry child hiding behind their computer screen; don’t let them ruin your fun!
. Hell, enjoy it... this game isn’t meant to be hard graft military precision, Chill out and enjoy the moment.
Hope this is enlightening or at least another angle on the subject.
jamie Jan 24th 2010 11:19PM
'Rape' also comes from the French 'rapine' which means 'to take swiftly'. So it does kinda work in some contexts. On the other hand I would never use the word personally because it would never be interpreted that way. There are plenty of other words in the English language that can be substituted without the risk of offence to others.
dwarfish Jan 23rd 2010 9:20AM
Then again, using "low-rent" to describe someone who is uncouth is acceptable? Is this not just using a generalization against a lower socio-economic group? Could you just substitute "people on welfare" or some such thing in its place for the same general meaning and not find it offensive?
Just saying, if you are going to write an article on offensive behaviour then maybe you should make sure that the words you use in such an article cannot be interpreted as such.
Evi Jan 23rd 2010 11:35AM
You know what would be awesome? If the /ignore function wasn't broken for my main character. It's been so frustrating. I can't ignore any of these nitwits because it's been broken since the last patch. :(
Joakim Jan 23rd 2010 11:49AM
Oh man, I should have ticketed the whole PuG who kicked me because "We do not accept female toons!".
Perhaps they would find the rear end of a draenei paladin too sexy forthem to push the right buttons, I truly don't know.
Fu... Silly people.
Modpapa Jan 23rd 2010 12:49PM
I'm levelling up a prot pally,level 44 now I think, using only the dungeon finder, and at lower levels a lot of the players don't really understand how an instance works. If you try to help them by explaining things, some are decent and will listen, others...not so much.
I try to explain at the beginning that as the tank I will be pulling the mobs, and "if you pull it you tank it". I explain that I need to make sure I'm ready and that the healer has mana. I also explain that after 2 or 3 pulls by dps I will drop group and they will have a very long wait for the next tank.
You would think with all that said, there wouldn't be any need for flaming. Believe me, I've been called every name in the book, been told I was a "fail tank" (even though I never lose aggro on anything I pull (if you pull it, I let it kill you)). I top the dps, I top the damage done, if I have a good healer I "pull big", all the stuff that should keep me flame-free. I've had my sexual orientation questioned, been told to "take the short bus home, retard"...ahh well you get the picture.
My guildie, a healer, has the flame to beat all flames, though--she entered an instance in progress, the lock needs mana so he lifetaps himself to near death, then yells "HEAL ME FAGGOT!!!"....needless to say she dropped group. It is horribly offensive but we still got a pretty good chuckle at his stupidity.
JKWood Jan 23rd 2010 12:56PM
The Pat Robertson link was inappropriate and tasteless. While you may not agree with what was said, it has been completely and utterly blown out of proportion by the media, and while *I* don't agree with what was said, I'm offended that you would feel the need to call it out in this post.
Birdfall Jan 23rd 2010 10:18PM
I halfway agree with this. I winced at the link and wondered if Drama Mama Robin meant the text "thousands of followers who are actually swayed by their hatespeak" to mean Christians as a whole. As this is a "We hate hate" post, I can only presume that's not what she meant, but it still made me stop and wonder.
The guy is a fruitcake. I know there are other fruitcakes who listen to him. But there are just as many who know that every time he says something like that, we as a community have to live it down. So we really don't appreciate people like that being labeled our spokesmen. The crazies just sell a lot more newspapers than the sensible ones do.
Robin Torres Jan 23rd 2010 10:38PM
Birdfall, I of course don't mean Christians as a whole, who number in the millions not thousands. I used his hatespeak to illustrate that while we get stressed out about jerks in PUGs, looking at the big picture -- as in famous jerks offending millions of people -- helps us put things in perspective.
wrenzy Jan 24th 2010 4:30PM
lol -- this is pretty funny! I've been wondering if I should post about this or not (what could it help? would it help?). I read through all the posts, looking to see if anyone else was upset by the Pat Robertson link, too.
Robin, I don't want to curtail your freedom of speech at all, and I respect your opinions as they come from a logical, free-thinking, sovereign mind. But I think that link was something of a low-blow. Again, I agree with Birdfall that I don't agree with Pat Robertson's statements (and I didn't think you were saying that all Christians are in thrall to Robertson). But you've met narrow-minded, hateful people everywhere--from all kinds of political parties & religious backgrounds. I know I have. While you say that you were just making the point that we need to look at the big picture--there are "famous jerks offending millions of people,"--to single one out like that, it looks more like the forwarding of a personal political agenda and less like a mere perspective check.
Again, I don't know if this post can "help" anything. But I've been thinking about this since you first posted your article. So, just to chuck in my two cents...
EzrahSezMoo Feb 3rd 2010 2:26PM
"/ignore name-server -- This will not only ignore him but make it impossible for him to be in your future random PUGs."
I had NO IDEA you could do that. Thanks a ton. :3
On that note... I personally find myself not caring one way or another what people say in groups I'm in as long as they are not personally attacking me. I try not to let things like that get in the way of me finishing a dungeon or raid if at all possible.
But that's just me.
Otherwise, these are pretty good suggestions to keep in mind for those rare times when people are completely insufferable. :3