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1-25-2010 @ 2:22PM
Yeah this kinda blows. What i reckon you should do is go to another guild, there isn't any sense in hanging around.Actually scratch that, see if the guild will let you run a 10 man gearing run on the side- sure I know your after the 25 goodies, but it shows you'll stick around and that your willing to help. Just quitting makes you look like the Diva all tanks and healers are.I imagine theres about 4 times as many DPS in your guild in the same boat, sure you may have to pug the odd healer, help the other folk on the sidelines gear up maybe. But in the long run its just way more satisfying having a solid 10 man group get to end game- it just means more.If its one o the top raid guilds then yeah I imagine they have some thing like- "you have to just be available if some one drops"- if thats the case, then bugger them.I don't quite see the attraction of that sort of guild, I know the need to replace the tank cause he has to go. But I would never expect them to sit around twiddling they're thumbs "just in case".Long and short of it- if your not "allowed" to take the folk left out on a ICC/TOC raid in the meantime, leave your guild. Have a scout around for friendly raiding guild- theres bound to be a good few that need a tank.But mind I don't know you, I don't know your guild and how they operate- end of the day if your getting left out for no real reason, there isn't a point in staying.
1-25-2010 @ 3:20PM
"I imagine theres about 4 times as many DPS in your guild in the same boat, sure you may have to pug the odd healer, help the other folk on the sidelines gear up maybe. But in the long run its just way more satisfying having a solid 10 man group get to end game- it just means more."We don't know that there are 4 times as many DPS in his shoes *in that guild*. The original letter doesn't say that, only that 35-40 people show up every night. Are the DPS getting rotated in? What about the healers? If it's only the 5th tank (in his case) getting benched night after night, well... Something's wrong, and it isn't with Frustrated. Two months of this kind of thing suggests that they're content to let him sit. As for the advice that the RLs might not have confidence in his ability, well then, why did they take him in? If they're just trying to have a warm body to throw into the mix in case they run short of tanks, at least they should have the decency to tell him that. "Be patient" for 4+ weeks, 3 nights a week? That's going to get seriously old, very fast. Your suggestion to have him essentially form up a solid 10-man within the guild structure is a good one. There are some top-caliber raiders who are burning out on 25-mans, but still want to raid. And it's been said by some that the 10-mans have less room for error, that everybody has to be on target to drop the content. (And I think that's true.) Some of those folks will prefer the challenge of the 10-mans over the 25's. Frustrated should see if he can find those folks.Finally, there's a good possibility that a dedicated 10-man can progress further, faster into a raid instance than a 25, simple because of the encounter-tuning. 10-mans tend to be less demanding of total DPS-output, for example, so some high-output folks might able to knife through a boss that rocks the 25-man group back a few times. Being a part of that kind of 10-man could result in being a kind of "vanguard" group that reports on weird mechanics, or strategies that work well (or vice-versa). All good reasons to see if spooling up a 10-man group can be done.Good luck, Frustrated!
1-25-2010 @ 4:00PM
In my experience of running ICC, there isn't really a lot of stuff for tanks. I use my rogue main for the ICC runs, maybe I'm just lucky, but I seem to get at least one or 2 drops per run- and least that many chances to roll.Our 10 man crews have one rogue each, no special reason- just they way it is. 10 man runs I was getting bout 4 pieces per run (axes, trinkets, armour + emblems and rep). Sure there's hunters on our 10 mans - but as i say I've been lucky (we don't do funny loot rolls, and ye the hunters have gotten gear they need).On the otherside of it- tanks really don't have that much stuff they can roll on in ICC- its either leather melee DPS, or something casters have a hard on for.Rotating DPS I suppose seems reasonable, but why not do that with tanks? mainly because you have to rely on them working together in a lot of the ICC bosses, and if you do rotate a tank on a boss that may drop tank gear, it pisses the rotated guy right off (whether they really need the drop or not, everyone wants new gear) - when a tank has his place in a constant raid crew, they stick with it unless they can't play for whatever reason.Yes 10 man runs are a demand, especially if your doing it with folk you don't know (by that I mean you will have a vast amount of dps begging to join, then asking "what are tactics" at the boss- its a real drag. Its why frustrated has a problem getting a place, the raid doesn't know him, or hasn't raided with him so don't want to take a chance on him.2 months with out a bone is a long time to go, "be patient" doesn't cut it, what you need to do is get a raid crew of your own on the go- and be prepared to see f all tank gear (ICC has bugger all, but its fun). Your a tank, there is no requirement for you to stay with any particular guild. You deserve to play end game, thats why you pay subscription.Don't be afraid to go it alone, if you get on with the guild then stay. But what ever you do- don't get forced to sit with your thumb up your arse- get your own raid on the go, take your guildies that are left in the same position. PuG what you need, if they're decent players then friend them- if your guildies that do come suck nads and don't learn, don't take them. If it comes to it that the guild leadership gets pissed off that you do this- then sod them- tell them to go suck a lemon! Your a tank you can do what you want (long as you ain't a dick about it).If your in a "top" raiding guild just because its top, then you have made a massive mistake- they have they're raid group organised, your a last resort. P.S i know there are 4 times as many DPS in the same spot in the same guild, just because its completely unbelievable that they are healers or tanks, less I'm on some funny realm where those 2 classes are in short supply...
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