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1-28-2010 @ 5:15PM
Limited attempts honestly aren't an issue for most guilds. Back when my guild started working on ToGC, we wouldn't get through 25 attempts over two nights of three-hour raids, let alone 50. Psychologically, when you're having a wipe night, it feels like you're wiping over and over and over, but look up your parses afterwards and you'll usually find there were fewer wipes than you felt. So maybe the 10/15/20 attempts we're getting in ICC is a considerably lower threshold, but if you're getting through the other bosses quickly enough that you still have enough raid time in the week for that many attempts, you're probably putting in 15-20 hours a week (not even accounting for the 10-man/25-man split), then you're in a hardcore guild that cares about your server rank. And it's for the benefit of your kind of guild that you don't have to lose out to guilds that put in, say, 30+ hours a week.If any guilds are seriously disadvantaged by limited attempts, it's the ones who are good enough to chase server firsts, but primarily consist of members who learn by practicing. It favours the careful, preparatory style of excelling at raids over the performance-driven style of wiping quickly and trying again and again. I'm not so sure that homogenizing play styles is ever good for the game, but that's the cost of keeping progression competitive.I still prefer attempt limits to a time limit like Algalon's. This way you at least allow for a DC or a bathroom break, or adjourning the raid for a day.
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