WoW, Casually: Playing WoW with your teen
Robin Torres writes WoW, Casually for the player with limited playtime. Of course, you people with lots of playtime can read this too, but you may get annoyed by the fact that we are unashamed, even proud, of the fact that beating WoW isn't our highest priority. Take solace in the fact that your gear is better than ours, but if that doesn't work, remember that we outnumber you. Not that that's a threat, after all, we don't have time to do anything about it. But if WoW were a democracy, we'd win.
Last year, I talked about playing with preschoolers and reading-age children. Several months later, I'd like to continue the series by tackling the topic of teens. I'm now tempted to talk in tantalizing alliteration, but I really can't keep it up. Anyway...
Teens provide a completely different challenge than the young children we've discussed before. Teens are already extremely competent readers, experience Trade Chat-like talk in school on a regular basis and have the coordination skills required to fully play the game. So they don't need the coddling and constant supervision, but that doesn't mean that the benefits of parents playing with teens aren't just as valuable.
Important Note
This article is for responsible parents who wish to make the most out of their and their child's gaming. All parents know that their children require other activities than gaming. In no way am I suggesting that playing WoW with your child should be the only activity done together or that it should be your child's only leisure pursuit. We all know that human beings need a balance of work and play, active and sedentary, outside and inside, social and solitary, etc. If a teen has issues with addiction, anti-social behavior or any developmental problem; Captain Obvious says that his or her parents need to seek professional help as well as use their own brains to try to solve these issues. Enough disclaimers, let's get to the guide.
In order to avoid pronoun trouble, today's teen will be played by Johnny. Actual gender and name may vary.
Don't ban video games
I'm going to assume here that you want Johnny to not only attend, but graduate from a university. Even if that is not the case, you still want Johnny to be happy and successful when he is out on his own. When he doesn't have you to supervise him, he's going to be tempted to do the things he enjoys rather than study, work, clean, etc. If you ban video games during the school year or even during the week, he may not learn the required time management skills he'll need to succeed after he leaves the nest. If, with your guidance, he is able to create and keep a schedule balancing school, study, chores and leisure time; it will be an old habit by the time he's exposed to greater responsibilities and temptations.
Playing WoW is cool
(Note: When I use the word "cool", I mean what your particular teen thinks is cool. I do not mean what the general populace thinks is cool. If your teen doesn't think playing WoW is a cool thing for him to do, then this article is obviously not for you. This section is about common ground between parent and teen, not peer pressure.)
The generation gap that occurs between parents and children is really more of a Cool Gap. If we don't like the entertainment options our kids like, we are uncool. And, unfortunately, Johnny is more likely to respect and want to emulate the people who he thinks are cool. So you are competing with the hot chick in Trigonometry, the clique of "nonconformists" and the druggy at lunch who complains that the cafeteria plates are trying to compartmentalize his life. If you both think Azeroth is a cool place to hang out, you are much less likely to be tuned out in non-Azerothian situations.
Don't be naive
Remember all those things you did when you were Johnny's age? Yeah, he's doing them too. Oh, kids these days don't do that anymore? Then he's doing the current equivalent. Johnny's a good kid and he'd never do that? Johnny may have a different definition of "good" -- either through changing times, a different philosophy or insufficient education -- and may think it's OK to experiment. Keeping all internet access in a centralized location, where someone could be looking over his shoulder at any time, will reduce the chances of online transgressions from occurring while he is home. Don't let the runaway story happen to you.
When and how
Johnny should be able to have some sessions without you, just as you should have some non-parenting WoW playtime. But do play at the same time regularly.
Your sessions together are likely to offer great rewards:
Paving the way for the future
The time spent together on common ground should help keep a closer relationship with Johnny when he leaves and develops other interests. As long as the two of you didn't get carried away with playing all the time, you'll have taught him how to schedule his time. With good study habits and the idea of rewarding work with play, Johnny should be able to handle the time constraints and temptations that adulthood brings. He'll also be acting like an adult instead of giving gamers a bad name. And you now have a way of still hanging out with Johnny, even if he moves to the other side of the planet. Whether you'll be playing a Blizzard game, or whatever the next great MMO is, you'll be able to spend meaningful time together in a way that a phone call or email just can't provide.
More parental reading from the Drama Mamas
MMOfamily: My fellow Drama Mama, Lisa Poisso, writes a column about parenting and MMOs over at our sister site, Massively.
Azeroth Interrupted: My retired column tackled a few parenting topics. Gamer Interrupted: My retired column on Massively also discussed a few.
WoW, Casually is a column for those of us who are playtime-challenged. We've got your guides for choosing the best class, finding a casual guild, keeping your account safe and choosing the best addons for casual play. But wait there's more! If you have questions or tips about how to get the most out of your limited playtime, please send them to robin AT wow DOT com for a possible future column.
Last year, I talked about playing with preschoolers and reading-age children. Several months later, I'd like to continue the series by tackling the topic of teens. I'm now tempted to talk in tantalizing alliteration, but I really can't keep it up. Anyway...
Teens provide a completely different challenge than the young children we've discussed before. Teens are already extremely competent readers, experience Trade Chat-like talk in school on a regular basis and have the coordination skills required to fully play the game. So they don't need the coddling and constant supervision, but that doesn't mean that the benefits of parents playing with teens aren't just as valuable.
Important Note
This article is for responsible parents who wish to make the most out of their and their child's gaming. All parents know that their children require other activities than gaming. In no way am I suggesting that playing WoW with your child should be the only activity done together or that it should be your child's only leisure pursuit. We all know that human beings need a balance of work and play, active and sedentary, outside and inside, social and solitary, etc. If a teen has issues with addiction, anti-social behavior or any developmental problem; Captain Obvious says that his or her parents need to seek professional help as well as use their own brains to try to solve these issues. Enough disclaimers, let's get to the guide.
In order to avoid pronoun trouble, today's teen will be played by Johnny. Actual gender and name may vary.
Don't ban video games
I'm going to assume here that you want Johnny to not only attend, but graduate from a university. Even if that is not the case, you still want Johnny to be happy and successful when he is out on his own. When he doesn't have you to supervise him, he's going to be tempted to do the things he enjoys rather than study, work, clean, etc. If you ban video games during the school year or even during the week, he may not learn the required time management skills he'll need to succeed after he leaves the nest. If, with your guidance, he is able to create and keep a schedule balancing school, study, chores and leisure time; it will be an old habit by the time he's exposed to greater responsibilities and temptations.
Playing WoW is cool(Note: When I use the word "cool", I mean what your particular teen thinks is cool. I do not mean what the general populace thinks is cool. If your teen doesn't think playing WoW is a cool thing for him to do, then this article is obviously not for you. This section is about common ground between parent and teen, not peer pressure.)
The generation gap that occurs between parents and children is really more of a Cool Gap. If we don't like the entertainment options our kids like, we are uncool. And, unfortunately, Johnny is more likely to respect and want to emulate the people who he thinks are cool. So you are competing with the hot chick in Trigonometry, the clique of "nonconformists" and the druggy at lunch who complains that the cafeteria plates are trying to compartmentalize his life. If you both think Azeroth is a cool place to hang out, you are much less likely to be tuned out in non-Azerothian situations.
Don't be naive
Remember all those things you did when you were Johnny's age? Yeah, he's doing them too. Oh, kids these days don't do that anymore? Then he's doing the current equivalent. Johnny's a good kid and he'd never do that? Johnny may have a different definition of "good" -- either through changing times, a different philosophy or insufficient education -- and may think it's OK to experiment. Keeping all internet access in a centralized location, where someone could be looking over his shoulder at any time, will reduce the chances of online transgressions from occurring while he is home. Don't let the runaway story happen to you.
When and how
Johnny should be able to have some sessions without you, just as you should have some non-parenting WoW playtime. But do play at the same time regularly.
- Overlap your sessions: You can still get many of the benefits of playing with Johnny without actually grouping with him. You can also make sure that if you start your playtime partway through his, that he logs off at the scheduled time. This will also allow you to witness any extenuating circumstances when he is unable to log off right on schedule. Should he not have started that activity so late? Did he rely too much on someone else? Let him make make these mistakes and then tell him how to avoid them offline after the session.
- Plan playdates: Johnny will cringe at the use of the word "playdate", so perhaps the use of "appointment" might be better. Regardless, you should definitely have some time grouped together. The groups don't have to be just the two of you, however. I highly recommend running some random PUGs together, hanging out with regular online friends and even raiding, time permitting. Both of you working together on a team will really build a comeraderie that is hard to find other than participating in team sports.
Your sessions together are likely to offer great rewards:
- Leading by example: Your interactions with other players, particularly the funsuckers, will have a huge impact on Johnny. He will see how an adult should handle the large variety of social situations that WoW provides. Captain Obvious says that the whole "Do as I say, not as I do." philosophy is not quite as effective as demonstrating the best way to interact with all kinds of people.
- Language use: This may sound schoolmastery, but go ahead and require Johnny to type out his sentences fully. He should be able to easily see the difference between how you get treated when you sound educated as opposed to sounding like an almost illiterate brat. The rest of us will thank you for it as well.
- Networking: Guild interactions, friends lists, sharing, grouping, forum posting -- all of these provide excellent practice in becoming part of a community and nurturing extended relationships. Encourage participation and offer yourself as a resource for any issues that come up.
- Reference skills: Whether the two of you are just duoing or even if you are raiding, don't just spoonfeed Johnny specs, gear options, etc. If he takes ownership of his character, looks into everything he wants to accomplish and how to do it, he'll be learning skills he needs to complete both school and work assignments.
- Handling conflict: Sure, you're both going to have to deal with conflicts with other people in-game and that is a good learning tool. But you and Johnny are also going to have disagreements about WoW as well. He may try your patience. You may annoy him. You both may hate how the other handled a situation. It won't all be good times. Resolving these in-game conflicts will help you both with out of game issues as well. Or it might even reveal underlying problems that needed to be dealt with. Unless you are the type of person who avoids dealing with things until you absolutely have to (which is a whole other issue), you will find this a healthy experience.
Paving the way for the futureThe time spent together on common ground should help keep a closer relationship with Johnny when he leaves and develops other interests. As long as the two of you didn't get carried away with playing all the time, you'll have taught him how to schedule his time. With good study habits and the idea of rewarding work with play, Johnny should be able to handle the time constraints and temptations that adulthood brings. He'll also be acting like an adult instead of giving gamers a bad name. And you now have a way of still hanging out with Johnny, even if he moves to the other side of the planet. Whether you'll be playing a Blizzard game, or whatever the next great MMO is, you'll be able to spend meaningful time together in a way that a phone call or email just can't provide.
More parental reading from the Drama Mamas
MMOfamily: My fellow Drama Mama, Lisa Poisso, writes a column about parenting and MMOs over at our sister site, Massively.
Azeroth Interrupted: My retired column tackled a few parenting topics. Gamer Interrupted: My retired column on Massively also discussed a few.
- Making MMOs safe for your children
- Being a great parent and gamer at the same time
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Valt Jan 29th 2010 5:51PM
"Playing WoW is cool"
Oh man, I wish..when I played at school I had to be "closet gamer" cos everyones like "nolife nerds play wow" etc.
So err because I'm commenting this is cos as parent you might get situtations where playing it will turns against the teen. Just stand up for him/her like in any this type of situation not to "ban wow to be back in cool gang".
Une île Jan 29th 2010 6:01PM
If my parent were to try and do that, I would simply reroll to a French or German language server (depending on the parent) and voilà. I doubt they'd last long when instructions were given out in non google-translateäble French/German.
Seriously, do American parents act that way? I am honestly of the stern opinion that one would isolate one's own children. You should note that you have to give us (that is to say, teenagers) a certain independence. We are not idiots (granted, a minority are).
From a European's perspective, American parents involve themselves far too much in the lives of their children. Granted, I don't wish to generalise; but you might note the correlation between a seemingly intrusive parental culture and the social problems you are currently encountering.
If your child desires to play with you, so be it. If not, keep a distance. You may argue, that your son/daughter is accessing inappropriate material by your not being present, i.e. pornography. I (and most Europeans) would argue that it is an essential part of growing up. In most of Europe, "soft" pornography is available for anyone from the age of 14/15/16. Some countries don't even have laws on the matter!
Robin Torres Jan 29th 2010 6:19PM
Your reaction shows that you did not really read the article, because I list all of the other activities that the teen should be doing (mostly without the parent) and state that the teen should also be allowed to play some WoW sessions alone.
That having been said, I think I speak for all thinking, educated people the world over that the social ills of a civilization are not at all caused by TOO MUCH attention from parents.
The Colombine slaughter was perpetrated by teens who had so much alone time on their hands that they were able to plot their deed for months and had access to all the equipment they needed to do it.
The gangs in our big cities are populated by kids with single mothers and/or parents too busy to attend to their children.
And the kids who play video games all day and do nothing else are certainly not a product of too much parenting.
Une île Jan 29th 2010 7:00PM
I concur, Robin Torres. However the line between parental attention and parental suffocation are separated by a fine line. You have reason to correctly state that a lot of gang issues arise from negligent parenting. However to state that a child cannot develop without a lot of parental attention is not at all true. I (being 15) have very little to do with my parents, however I am fully capable of reading/writing in a coherent manner, in the languages I speak; I attain good grades in school. I am able to plan my time, a skill I did not learn from my parents.
I agree with you entirely that negligent parenting can cause poor development, but that does not mean that over parenting causes only good results. My only concern is that, whilst parents mean well in their involvement with their children, your making a "cookie-cutter" how to guide does not fit everyone.
You assumed first of all that the child in question would allow his parent to involve himself in his life, I for one would not.
I believe that your advice is genuinely good advice for a child between the ages of 10-12/13, but after that, children are more likely to be rebellious and resentful of their parents.
Maybe it's just a culture difference. But I am sure Europeans will agree with me that children need room to mature, such maturity that could be stunted by an over intrusive parent.
On a lighter note, your article is very interesting, thanks! =)
Hanak Jan 29th 2010 7:03PM
About too much attention...
The wrong kind of attention can, in my opinion, be even more harmful than no attention at all. Yes, you do mention that the teen should get to play on his own. But since the article is about how to give directed, planned attention to one of "Johnny"s recreational hobbies, surely a reaction along the lines of "leave my WoW alone" isn't unexpected? (even if it might be an overly strong reaction)
But (as said by another commenter) the rewards/activites that you outline does represent quite a bit of a time investment and atleast to me squares poorly with a limited game-time if a noticable portion of it is to remain in Johnnys hands instead of in yours. I'd be interrested to hear about what you consider a reasonable time to spend on WoW for a say 17yo, studying teen and how much of that should be spent together with the parents.
Hanak Jan 29th 2010 7:07PM
just to add:
Ditto on Une îles response right before mine. :)
Marita Jan 29th 2010 9:36PM
When I was a teenager (now 24) I too thought the line was too thin, and prefered to have my parents away from my internet time (no porn sessions, or anything like that in my leisure time, just having fun).
But it turned out bad. Why? Because now they don't understand, want or respect anything I like/do that they don't know something about.
In this guide it is a game the parent plays, but what about an activity the parent knows nothing about? should them forbid it and then ask? Or ask and then forbid?
Neither.
Looking back, it would have been better to have them there with me, not always, but in a regular basis. Because now they would understand me better, judge me less, and be better parents, because they would have learned to BE better parents, and to understand the world as it is today, and to respect me more in this context.
Maybe in Europe it's different, yes (I'm from south america), but they have more lonely people, thousands of lonely elders, of people dying alone and been found months later.
I don't think that kind of detachment is good. I don't think legal soft porn is good either!
Too much freedom gives nice opportunities to grow up, yes, but is that really the best?
At 15 I would have said "yes", now I know the gap is too big. And I regret it.
Heilig Jan 31st 2010 12:44AM
This guy has it right. No offense, 15 year old Eurodude, but at 15, you really know nothing about life. None of us do. You're going to respond with how much you actually do know, and how you're very mature, and of course you're wrong. I was just as sure as you are of my actions and opinions when i was your age. And I was wrong. i look back now and think "Man, i was such an arrogant, uninformed tool." And that's okay, it's part of being a teenager. But please trust us when we tell you that shutting your parents out of your life and telling them to leave you alone and stay out of your interests is exactly backwards from what creates a healthy, well-adjusted adult.
ciggychan Feb 1st 2010 10:07AM
Did you read this article? I mean really read it. The author emphasizes involvement, but independence. She talks about the fact that your children will need time to play on their own as well. She doesn't talk about scolding your kids when they are on too late, or interact with a situation inappropriately, but instead providing feedback and helping them to understand where things went wrong.
The fact is most of the kids I knew growing up who were "problem" children either had parents who were not involved, or who were involved in completely disconnected manners, which in no way emulates what is shown here. Parents should watch their kids, they should be aware of what they are doing, and they should provide feedback. You also jumped to the "porn" connection. You will notice that the example she linked was not pornographic in nature. It had to do with an inappropriate relationship online. Sexual content and morality is going to be established from household to household, but I would bet that your nice detached European parents wouldn't want their kids involved in say a neo-nazi group, or looking up how to cook meth in the basement. Just a guess. There will always be content that a given set of parents finds to be unacceptable, and they should be involved enough in their kids lives to know if they are mixed up in the wrong things. That is not unreasonable. You sit back, you observe from a distance, you encourage, you teach, and you allow your kids to fall down when you know they'll learn from it, but you stop them before they jump off a cliff.
I'm guessing you're a teen. Trust me on this one, once you're a few years out of college and you look back, this is going to make a lot more sense.
Sylice Jan 29th 2010 6:17PM
Come on.
Im 17, wow is not cool. Im a closet gamer, my parents think i've quit the game. My year found out at school, and i thought that was one of worst days at school haha.
It sounds like this is a totally mummy's boy thing. Holding his or her hand through wow. Let them explore and play on their own. I doubt most people will think its cool to be playing with their parent, no offence Robin.
The best thing you can do, is to help at first, then leave to it. Give them bags and gold maybe, let them join a separate guild and leave them to learn WoW. If they have problems, they can ask for help. Or advise them to roll on a different server, and help for first 20 levels maybe, then leave. At 80, then you can group with them and have fun with 5 mans or whatever, but i really think a separate guild, and no hand holding is needed.
Parental controls are good for time management, in case they play without you knowing, like i myself do.
Personally i wouldn't recommend it to your child in first place. It's addictive and its messed up my school-work. But don't limit your child if they want to play it. Parental controls, or just being aware of them playing and telling them to get to bed is the best thing. Playing every level with them is not.
Robin Torres Jan 29th 2010 6:30PM
Regardless of the fact that WoW is being played by more and more celebrities and is therefore becoming "cooler" in general, YOU think WoW is cool. It's cool for YOU. And to Johnny and any other WoW playing teen, it is cool for them.
I went to a redneck highschool where country music was cool. I listened to rock. Rock was cool for me. My dad listened to rock. So my dad listened to something cool. I'm not saying that he is cool. He's a longstanding, proud nerd. But it was cool to tell my friends who also thought rock was cool that he listened to cool music. And we had a common ground from which to create a bond. Coolness.
The LAST thing parents should do is give their WoW playing teens bags, gold and other non-earned items. How is a child supposed to survive out in the big world if he can't even get easy, basic stuff like that in a game?
Like Une, I don't think you read the entire article because I specifically say NOT to play every level with your teen.
As far as it hurting your schoolwork? You haven't learned to properly manage your time and priorities. It's hard. Really, really hard. Whether you are trying to juggle schoolwork with WoW, playing guitar, sports, girlfriends ... it doesn't matter. Time management is a hard skill to learn. If you set up a schedule for yourself and make sure you get all of your assignments done for the day before you begin playing (as well as the other things you should be doing in your life), then WoW can be your hard earned reward. And you'll learn a habit that will work well for you the rest of your life.
Sylice Jan 29th 2010 6:47PM
I read the whole article before hand, i've read again and seen some areas you've covered which i didnt spot before. Sorry its near midnight here. Planning play dates i think is a bad idea. Your Johnny's parent, i think it would be better for him to instigate that, or for it to be casual idea like "Hey johnny fancy doing X today" rather than book it as such.
The rewards section also seems to cover things which you portay as taking up quite a bit of game time together. This is where my idea of hand holding came in. Johnny should mature over his teen years to treat all of this differently. He will meet people in Wow who he should respect and learn these qualities from. At first he may be bad at these situations, but i think he needs primarily other people than you to learn from.
By gold i meant around 10 gold. By bags i meant 4 10 slot ones. Just to help a bit, not to spoil or anything.
In England at least, MMO's are not cool. I think they are, but others dont because its fantasy etc. Thats just pretty much accepted. Theres a stereotype of gamers, and its not positive.
In reference to me, yes my life is messed up. I have no time management and no work ethic. I wish i did, but that cant change now. In that sense, a parent would have been helpful but like i said, its too late, im already lost :)
Robin Torres Jan 29th 2010 6:56PM
There is a negative stereotype of gamers here as well. But there are still fun famous people playing WoW and it's getting mentioned a lot in popular TV shows.
But again, it's not a general coolness to which I was referring. You, personally, think it's a cool way to spend your time. So does Johnny. Therefore, WoW is cool... for you. It's about common ground, not public admiration.
Sylice Jan 29th 2010 7:51PM
Totally selfishly, since i cant find your email anywhere im gonna ask you here.
How would you give your teenager the skill of time management?
Also i did think it was a good article, whilst having misunderstandings of what you meant :)
Robin Torres Jan 29th 2010 8:57PM
My email is in the swipe at the bottom, but it's robin at wow dot com. However, here are a couple of older posts that I think may be good for you to read:
http://www.wow.com/2007/09/03/azeroth-interrupted-reader-mail-is-playing-wow-on-a-school-n/
http://www.wow.com/2007/09/10/azeroth-interrupted-reader-mail-all-work-and-no-wow/
Thank you so much for reading and commenting. :)
Tess Jan 29th 2010 6:47PM
My father is the one who introduced me to the game, during my senior year of high school... and we've been playing together ever since (now a senior in college). It's our favorite way of spending time together even when I'm away at school.
Hanak Jan 29th 2010 6:51PM
I truly wish I had some insightful, constructive comment. But all I can think of is... "what?!"
Article says:
"The generation gap that occurs between parents and children is really more of a Cool Gap. ... "
A "Cool Gap"? I really hope that I somehow misread the article, but you seem to say that the nr 1 reason teens doesn't listen to / respect their parents is because they're not "cool".
The foremost reason kids of any age seems to disrespect / not listen to their parents is because they have wholly different frames of references. (don't really know if that's the english word, hope you still understand, English is not my mother tongue.) It's not about cool or uncool, it's about what matters in life. If you asked a "Johnny" what would make the biggest impact on his life, you'd get an answer taken from his frame of reference. It would probably include his interrests, his school, his family if they're close knit. Even if his parents getting sacked would make a bigger impact on his life than him getting outed as a gamer in school, I doubt he would name the former, simply because unless it has been made a part of his reference-frame, he won't think about the possibility.
It may be that me being a northern european reader and you an american writer may give us just as different perspectives on this topic as the parent and Johnny, but I still can't see how you think "being cool" is the way to go.
So, while you have some good points in that your kids will listen far better if your actions and words agree, I couldn't disagree more about how you propose to reach that kid.
Robin Torres Jan 29th 2010 7:01PM
I believe my playful use of the English language is what is causing the problem here. I am talking specifically of the gap between Johnny's interests and his parent's interests. When a teen's interests differ completely from the parents'... when they have no common ground... it causes a gap.
I will edit the post as to define "cool" better.
Rubitard Jan 29th 2010 6:58PM
The teens I've known via WoW have tended to be more mature and better behaved than those of college age and older. I guess when they're still under mommy and daddy's roof, the G.I.F.T. is less likely to apply.
Marita Jan 29th 2010 9:47PM
lucky you
the only player I knew was underage kept quitting guild everytime he was disrespectful to the GL... on his own choice.
He clearly haven't mastered neither of this skills:
-learn when to stay quiet
-learn to apologies
one of those would have done wonders, but he never did.