WoW, Casually: Playing WoW with your teen
Robin Torres writes WoW, Casually for the player with limited playtime. Of course, you people with lots of playtime can read this too, but you may get annoyed by the fact that we are unashamed, even proud, of the fact that beating WoW isn't our highest priority. Take solace in the fact that your gear is better than ours, but if that doesn't work, remember that we outnumber you. Not that that's a threat, after all, we don't have time to do anything about it. But if WoW were a democracy, we'd win.
Last year, I talked about playing with preschoolers and reading-age children. Several months later, I'd like to continue the series by tackling the topic of teens. I'm now tempted to talk in tantalizing alliteration, but I really can't keep it up. Anyway...
Teens provide a completely different challenge than the young children we've discussed before. Teens are already extremely competent readers, experience Trade Chat-like talk in school on a regular basis and have the coordination skills required to fully play the game. So they don't need the coddling and constant supervision, but that doesn't mean that the benefits of parents playing with teens aren't just as valuable.
Important Note
This article is for responsible parents who wish to make the most out of their and their child's gaming. All parents know that their children require other activities than gaming. In no way am I suggesting that playing WoW with your child should be the only activity done together or that it should be your child's only leisure pursuit. We all know that human beings need a balance of work and play, active and sedentary, outside and inside, social and solitary, etc. If a teen has issues with addiction, anti-social behavior or any developmental problem; Captain Obvious says that his or her parents need to seek professional help as well as use their own brains to try to solve these issues. Enough disclaimers, let's get to the guide.
In order to avoid pronoun trouble, today's teen will be played by Johnny. Actual gender and name may vary.
Don't ban video games
I'm going to assume here that you want Johnny to not only attend, but graduate from a university. Even if that is not the case, you still want Johnny to be happy and successful when he is out on his own. When he doesn't have you to supervise him, he's going to be tempted to do the things he enjoys rather than study, work, clean, etc. If you ban video games during the school year or even during the week, he may not learn the required time management skills he'll need to succeed after he leaves the nest. If, with your guidance, he is able to create and keep a schedule balancing school, study, chores and leisure time; it will be an old habit by the time he's exposed to greater responsibilities and temptations.
Playing WoW is cool
(Note: When I use the word "cool", I mean what your particular teen thinks is cool. I do not mean what the general populace thinks is cool. If your teen doesn't think playing WoW is a cool thing for him to do, then this article is obviously not for you. This section is about common ground between parent and teen, not peer pressure.)
The generation gap that occurs between parents and children is really more of a Cool Gap. If we don't like the entertainment options our kids like, we are uncool. And, unfortunately, Johnny is more likely to respect and want to emulate the people who he thinks are cool. So you are competing with the hot chick in Trigonometry, the clique of "nonconformists" and the druggy at lunch who complains that the cafeteria plates are trying to compartmentalize his life. If you both think Azeroth is a cool place to hang out, you are much less likely to be tuned out in non-Azerothian situations.
Don't be naive
Remember all those things you did when you were Johnny's age? Yeah, he's doing them too. Oh, kids these days don't do that anymore? Then he's doing the current equivalent. Johnny's a good kid and he'd never do that? Johnny may have a different definition of "good" -- either through changing times, a different philosophy or insufficient education -- and may think it's OK to experiment. Keeping all internet access in a centralized location, where someone could be looking over his shoulder at any time, will reduce the chances of online transgressions from occurring while he is home. Don't let the runaway story happen to you.
When and how
Johnny should be able to have some sessions without you, just as you should have some non-parenting WoW playtime. But do play at the same time regularly.
Your sessions together are likely to offer great rewards:
Paving the way for the future
The time spent together on common ground should help keep a closer relationship with Johnny when he leaves and develops other interests. As long as the two of you didn't get carried away with playing all the time, you'll have taught him how to schedule his time. With good study habits and the idea of rewarding work with play, Johnny should be able to handle the time constraints and temptations that adulthood brings. He'll also be acting like an adult instead of giving gamers a bad name. And you now have a way of still hanging out with Johnny, even if he moves to the other side of the planet. Whether you'll be playing a Blizzard game, or whatever the next great MMO is, you'll be able to spend meaningful time together in a way that a phone call or email just can't provide.
More parental reading from the Drama Mamas
MMOfamily: My fellow Drama Mama, Lisa Poisso, writes a column about parenting and MMOs over at our sister site, Massively.
Azeroth Interrupted: My retired column tackled a few parenting topics. Gamer Interrupted: My retired column on Massively also discussed a few.
WoW, Casually is a column for those of us who are playtime-challenged. We've got your guides for choosing the best class, finding a casual guild, keeping your account safe and choosing the best addons for casual play. But wait there's more! If you have questions or tips about how to get the most out of your limited playtime, please send them to robin AT wow DOT com for a possible future column.
Last year, I talked about playing with preschoolers and reading-age children. Several months later, I'd like to continue the series by tackling the topic of teens. I'm now tempted to talk in tantalizing alliteration, but I really can't keep it up. Anyway...
Teens provide a completely different challenge than the young children we've discussed before. Teens are already extremely competent readers, experience Trade Chat-like talk in school on a regular basis and have the coordination skills required to fully play the game. So they don't need the coddling and constant supervision, but that doesn't mean that the benefits of parents playing with teens aren't just as valuable.
Important Note
This article is for responsible parents who wish to make the most out of their and their child's gaming. All parents know that their children require other activities than gaming. In no way am I suggesting that playing WoW with your child should be the only activity done together or that it should be your child's only leisure pursuit. We all know that human beings need a balance of work and play, active and sedentary, outside and inside, social and solitary, etc. If a teen has issues with addiction, anti-social behavior or any developmental problem; Captain Obvious says that his or her parents need to seek professional help as well as use their own brains to try to solve these issues. Enough disclaimers, let's get to the guide.
In order to avoid pronoun trouble, today's teen will be played by Johnny. Actual gender and name may vary.
Don't ban video games
I'm going to assume here that you want Johnny to not only attend, but graduate from a university. Even if that is not the case, you still want Johnny to be happy and successful when he is out on his own. When he doesn't have you to supervise him, he's going to be tempted to do the things he enjoys rather than study, work, clean, etc. If you ban video games during the school year or even during the week, he may not learn the required time management skills he'll need to succeed after he leaves the nest. If, with your guidance, he is able to create and keep a schedule balancing school, study, chores and leisure time; it will be an old habit by the time he's exposed to greater responsibilities and temptations.
Playing WoW is cool(Note: When I use the word "cool", I mean what your particular teen thinks is cool. I do not mean what the general populace thinks is cool. If your teen doesn't think playing WoW is a cool thing for him to do, then this article is obviously not for you. This section is about common ground between parent and teen, not peer pressure.)
The generation gap that occurs between parents and children is really more of a Cool Gap. If we don't like the entertainment options our kids like, we are uncool. And, unfortunately, Johnny is more likely to respect and want to emulate the people who he thinks are cool. So you are competing with the hot chick in Trigonometry, the clique of "nonconformists" and the druggy at lunch who complains that the cafeteria plates are trying to compartmentalize his life. If you both think Azeroth is a cool place to hang out, you are much less likely to be tuned out in non-Azerothian situations.
Don't be naive
Remember all those things you did when you were Johnny's age? Yeah, he's doing them too. Oh, kids these days don't do that anymore? Then he's doing the current equivalent. Johnny's a good kid and he'd never do that? Johnny may have a different definition of "good" -- either through changing times, a different philosophy or insufficient education -- and may think it's OK to experiment. Keeping all internet access in a centralized location, where someone could be looking over his shoulder at any time, will reduce the chances of online transgressions from occurring while he is home. Don't let the runaway story happen to you.
When and how
Johnny should be able to have some sessions without you, just as you should have some non-parenting WoW playtime. But do play at the same time regularly.
- Overlap your sessions: You can still get many of the benefits of playing with Johnny without actually grouping with him. You can also make sure that if you start your playtime partway through his, that he logs off at the scheduled time. This will also allow you to witness any extenuating circumstances when he is unable to log off right on schedule. Should he not have started that activity so late? Did he rely too much on someone else? Let him make make these mistakes and then tell him how to avoid them offline after the session.
- Plan playdates: Johnny will cringe at the use of the word "playdate", so perhaps the use of "appointment" might be better. Regardless, you should definitely have some time grouped together. The groups don't have to be just the two of you, however. I highly recommend running some random PUGs together, hanging out with regular online friends and even raiding, time permitting. Both of you working together on a team will really build a comeraderie that is hard to find other than participating in team sports.
Your sessions together are likely to offer great rewards:
- Leading by example: Your interactions with other players, particularly the funsuckers, will have a huge impact on Johnny. He will see how an adult should handle the large variety of social situations that WoW provides. Captain Obvious says that the whole "Do as I say, not as I do." philosophy is not quite as effective as demonstrating the best way to interact with all kinds of people.
- Language use: This may sound schoolmastery, but go ahead and require Johnny to type out his sentences fully. He should be able to easily see the difference between how you get treated when you sound educated as opposed to sounding like an almost illiterate brat. The rest of us will thank you for it as well.
- Networking: Guild interactions, friends lists, sharing, grouping, forum posting -- all of these provide excellent practice in becoming part of a community and nurturing extended relationships. Encourage participation and offer yourself as a resource for any issues that come up.
- Reference skills: Whether the two of you are just duoing or even if you are raiding, don't just spoonfeed Johnny specs, gear options, etc. If he takes ownership of his character, looks into everything he wants to accomplish and how to do it, he'll be learning skills he needs to complete both school and work assignments.
- Handling conflict: Sure, you're both going to have to deal with conflicts with other people in-game and that is a good learning tool. But you and Johnny are also going to have disagreements about WoW as well. He may try your patience. You may annoy him. You both may hate how the other handled a situation. It won't all be good times. Resolving these in-game conflicts will help you both with out of game issues as well. Or it might even reveal underlying problems that needed to be dealt with. Unless you are the type of person who avoids dealing with things until you absolutely have to (which is a whole other issue), you will find this a healthy experience.
Paving the way for the futureThe time spent together on common ground should help keep a closer relationship with Johnny when he leaves and develops other interests. As long as the two of you didn't get carried away with playing all the time, you'll have taught him how to schedule his time. With good study habits and the idea of rewarding work with play, Johnny should be able to handle the time constraints and temptations that adulthood brings. He'll also be acting like an adult instead of giving gamers a bad name. And you now have a way of still hanging out with Johnny, even if he moves to the other side of the planet. Whether you'll be playing a Blizzard game, or whatever the next great MMO is, you'll be able to spend meaningful time together in a way that a phone call or email just can't provide.
More parental reading from the Drama Mamas
MMOfamily: My fellow Drama Mama, Lisa Poisso, writes a column about parenting and MMOs over at our sister site, Massively.
Azeroth Interrupted: My retired column tackled a few parenting topics. Gamer Interrupted: My retired column on Massively also discussed a few.
- Making MMOs safe for your children
- Being a great parent and gamer at the same time
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, WoW, Casually







Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Possum Jan 29th 2010 7:10PM
Ah teens, thinking they know everything. I remember when I was like that.
I wish my parents had played EQ back in the day, doing a few instances with them would have been preferable to being told to pause the game so I could take out the trash. I tried to say "I can't pause the game, I am playing with real people here" so they would then commence worrying about online predators.
To all the teens who are going to reply to this going "this is a terrible idea, parents should just leave us alone, we know what we're doing" you don't actually know as much as you think you do, and involved parents are as important to a teenager as they are to a child. That's not to say they should hang around with you all day or not trust you but that they should have an interest in you and have at least a good idea what you're up to. I think you could afford to sacrifice the occasional hour in Azeroth to spend time with a caring parent.
Gamer am I Jan 29th 2010 7:45PM
Possum brings up an important point. Though my mother never played WoW with me, I did explain much of it to her. It helped that she was genuinely interested in learning about it, simply because I spent so much time on it. I was able to explain the concepts of instance runs and why I couldn't simply pause the game. Because she knew a thing or two about the game, my play time was improved because she knew when the could intrude and when she couldn't.
Moral of the story: even if your parents don't play WoW, it helps for them to know a thing or two about it, and if they do play WoW, then you won't need to explain those things to them.
Darky Jan 30th 2010 7:51AM
This is not true in my case, yesterday i spent about an hour trying to explain (whilst raiding) what a boss was >_>''
Clydtsdk-Rivendare Jan 29th 2010 7:53PM
"experience Trade Chat-like talk in school on a regular basis"
Way to put it nicely
Clydtsdk-Rivendare Jan 29th 2010 7:55PM
Was supposed to have angle bracket emoticon.
v_v
Marita Jan 29th 2010 9:51PM
they mastered barrens-language even before it was born :P
ArwenEM Jan 29th 2010 9:26PM
Holy Crap! That picture is of my high school!!
scotlee Jan 29th 2010 10:27PM
Robin, you rock. :-)
Catacomb Kid Jan 30th 2010 12:32AM
"and the druggy at lunch who complains that the cafeteria plates are trying to compartmentalize his life."
hahahahahahaha I lol'ed so hard at this, hahahaha
Robin Torres Jan 30th 2010 12:37AM
I'd like to take credit for making that up, but I lunched with that guy in highschool. He was an endless source of entertainment.
Dameblanche Jan 30th 2010 5:21AM
My post is a bit off-topic and long, but the discussion about young closet-gamers made me think about how hard life can be for geeky teenage girls, and how I struggled at that age.
Just before I read this post, I saw something on the television that annoyed me. A professional chess player told that chess tournaments are filled with very young participants nowadays, children of ten, twelve years old, who have super-flexible minds. According to this chess player, these young players are a new phenomenon, and computer games play an important part in this, because these chess-wizzkids play computer games from a very young age.
Until the age of 13 or so, girls and boys are equally competitive. And then the performance of the girls drop dramatically.
Now here comes the bit that annoyed me. The professional chess-player thought this was because of female hormones starting to kick in (and he thought he was being funny when he said this, as if female hormones are some sort of debilitating fog in your head). This chess player was male and middle aged and a little bit condescending, which is probably the reason why he is so annoyingly wrong in his analysis of why girls stop being super-chess players.
I think that the real reason is that It is VERY hard for a girl of that age to be a geek. It's already tough for boys, but a girl geek is a freak. It is not sexy to be smarter then the boys you hope to date one day. And even if you secretly think that Mister Teenage Idol is too dumb to find his own backside with two hands and a map, you will plaster your walls with posters of him and spend your school breaks talking about make-up and clothes and other stuff that deliberately makes you look less intelligent then you are.
Now back on topic: in general I am not sure if it's beneficial for every child to have a parent that plays the same games as he/she does. Part of being a teenager is developing a healthy dislike of some things your parents do, which is good and proper and all how nature it intended, because the world would be a funny place if everybody kept on clinging to their parents so much that they still wanted to live with them when they were 40 years old.
But: when your daughter is a geek and loves computer games, chances are very high she is the only one in her class. When I was 12 I didn't play computer games, but I read Tolstoy, collected plants and animal bones as a hobby and wanted to be Madame Curie when I grew up. And boy, was I bullied at school. The fact that I had to wear glasses and had consistent high grades didn't help matters either. But my parents were very supportive, and I think that is the main reason why I gained enough self confidence to grow up as a female adult who is the owner of a small film-company.
So, sorry that this post is so long, but I think that if your daughter shows an interest in a geeky hobby like gaming, it might actually help her intellectual development and self-esteem when you as a parent are understanding of it. We need geeky girls. We need girls that are not scared to do things that are not sexy or "female".
SuperQue Jan 30th 2010 8:16AM
I honestly can't believe how many people seem to have mis-read or mis-understood what the article was about.
Nowhere does Robin mention that it is a good idea for teens to spend ALL their online time with their parents (or all/ a lot of their time offline either). A few dungeons or quests together is not ALL their time. Personally I think it's great if parent and child can find an activity that they both enjoy together, because it is rare, and it does close some "gap" between conflicting interests.
I understand that teens want their independence, but I don't really understand how occasionally playing a game together deprives them of that. Or doing any activity together that they both enjoy really.
I have never been very close to my father because we never had much in common, and didn't enjoy many of the same activities (my mother died when I was still a teen). He did play video games with me sometimes, and it was fun. I would have loved if I could do a few dungeons with him occasionally, or level a new toon with him.
Regardless, from a young age I have always been very independent (my parents taught me that), but I still enjoy spending time with my family, and I would not have felt any less "cool" or independent if my parents took an interest in activities I enjoyed, gaming included.
Cameron Jan 30th 2010 8:57AM
I personally think this is a great article. I am 16 years old and everyone in my family plays WoW. We are all in the same guild and the majority of us have 80's. We level together and quest and even PuG together. I think it is awesome being able to brag about my mom having two level 80's personally. I am all for spending time on WoW with your family and I am a teenager. I think it is a great thing to be able to have something in common with your parents.
Cameron Jan 30th 2010 8:59AM
Also in regard to the "cool" factor. The majority of the jocks at my school play WoW and actually talk about it quite a bit.
Manic Soul Jan 30th 2010 11:16AM
"Several months later, I'd like to continue the series by tackling the topic of teens. "
Anybody else think this sounds like we might have mutant children that grew from toddlers to teens in mere months, a la The Search For Spock?
My nerd imagination thought it sounded funny :)
Whyisretgimped Jan 30th 2010 11:40AM
As a professional educator I can tell you that playing WoW is bad for children. It encourages addictive behavior, offers very poor development of problem solving skills, discourages reading (the game makes it an annoyance instead of something fun or worthwhile to do), and also encourages behavior which leads to obesity. The frequency one encounters racist, violent, and sexually explicit language in the game (from chat channels) is enough reason to keep your children away from WoW by itself.
There are a host of better games one could have their children play instead. Games like Civilization, Age of Empires, and Starcraft are the exact opposite of WoW. They encourage problem solving, give excellent practice in creative thinking, and can expose children to real world content in subjects they will learn about in school (well maybe not Starcraft for this).
If you want your child to grow up to be a fat zombie, go ahead and let them play WoW. Otherwise, stick to games that are actually designed to engage one's brain instead of shut it off.
lisapoisso Jan 30th 2010 11:58AM
Plenty of other professional educators might disagree with your view.
http://www.wow.com/2009/07/14/15-minutes-of-fame-learn-to-game-to-game-to-learn/
Robin Torres Jan 30th 2010 12:00PM
"The frequency one encounters racist, violent, and sexually explicit language in the game (from chat channels) is enough reason to keep your children away from WoW by itself."
From that logic, you shouldn't let your children go to school either. The frequency one encounters racist, violent, sexually explicit language, homophobia and personal attacks in the halls, cafeterias, etc. in schools is enough to make trade chat look completely harmless in comparison.
After you have read the most basic fundamentals of the games you suggest, you have to read even less than you do in WoW. They also encourage sedentary behavior. And are you seriously telling me Civilization isn't addictive? They use it's addictiveness as a selling point: "Just one more turn". Most people i know when they first picked up Civ stayed up all night playing that game, even with school the next day.
The games you suggest can all be played offline, which means no other human interaction. One of the great benefits of having your teen play an MMO is that he is not isolating himself, but instead practicing social skills, developing friends and learning the advantages of teamwork.
There is also quite a bit of problem solving in WoW as well as strategy. The big battlegrounds such as AV and Wintergrasp are all about strategy.
It's up to the parents and professional educators to teach teens how to balance their lives so that they are getting plenty of fresh air, exercise and other skills they need to thrive. With proper discipline, a teen can learn how to control his desire to escape into games of any kind so that he knows how to handle it when he gets out on his own.
I stand by everything I said in this column.
justanotherhunter Jan 30th 2010 12:42PM
My daughter and I played wow, for about 3 years. We both enjoyed it. we have always played computer games together. We made the leap to MMOs together. It was our common interest thing. And there were some life lessons along the way. Mostly anger control, and learning to deal with selfish, angry, childish people in a positive way.
We ground our way from casuals to raiders in a top 10 server guild. We had lots of fun along the way. But as all good things do end, it was time to move on. Our guild started to have lots of drama, just a hint to you guys, If you have a pompus spoiled baby in your guild, kick them. They may be a good player, your best healer/tank, but they will tear the soul out of your guild.
She is off to college now, with a tough study schedual so she is too busy to devote wow ammounts of time to a game. Without here there there was no point in my sticking around. Heck my guild was imploding. How many more dailys and raid mat grinds could i take alone :P.
So I say yes playing an MMO with your teen is a good thing as long as it is just for that, spending time at something you both enjoy. As with anything, what is good for some isn't always good for all. If your motive to play with them is to keep an eye on what they are doing, you will just smother them.
Anyway, can you imagine fighting your dad for top damage on a boss fight?
RedGuard Jan 30th 2010 1:42PM
I agree with Robin, what I hear in Wow is nothing compared to what is said at my school.
Also, as a tank, I always have to be on my toes, watch health, cooldowns, aggro, positioning, etc. Playing RTSes alway gets boring once you figure out how the AI works and reacts.
My parents don't play video games, but when they ask me what I'm doing I always do my best to explain it to them, and tell them about the people I'm interacting with. (Although they still don't completely understand why I can't just quit when I'm in the middle of an instance.)